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100 lbs. of Fentanyl seized in San Diego, enough to kill 14 million people.....

there was a show on discovery last night about the war on drugs. No easy answers. They talked about the gal that invented a new way to get meth developed and to market. Seemed she was the person exemplified in breaking bad.

I digress.

there was a part about mandatory sentences put into law in 1994, IIRC. They then had a guy who went to college after serving. he did some light dealing in college to pay expenses. His buddies got caught a year after he graduated but they fingered him to get a lighter sentence. he was sentenced to life in prison. Amazing. They had a lot of stats on prison populations due to drugs. Crazy times.
 
Apparently fentanyl is easily manufactured. I know it's dangerous because we used it for sedating ICU patients who were placed on ventilators back in my residency training. It's a well known drug used in general anesthesia and that's why it is just plain crazy to be used as a recreational drug. I don't think using a drug that stops your breathing is a good idea.
 
there was a show on discovery last night about the war on drugs. No easy answers. They talked about the gal that invented a new way to get meth developed and to market. Seemed she was the person exemplified in breaking bad.

I digress.

there was a part about mandatory sentences put into law in 1994, IIRC. They then had a guy who went to college after serving. he did some light dealing in college to pay expenses. His buddies got caught a year after he graduated but they fingered him to get a lighter sentence. he was sentenced to life in prison. Amazing. They had a lot of stats on prison populations due to drugs. Crazy times.


I was watching that last night. Wasn't she the sister of Tom Arnold?


The interesting thing I found which was on the episode before or after was how the NAFTA trade agreement was like a dream come true to smugglers.
 
I was watching that last night. Wasn't she the sister of Tom Arnold?
last name was Arnold. I did catch that she was the sister of a celebrity but didn't know which one. I thought of Tom A but didn't hear it directly.

But listening, it was earily similar to breaking bad in terms of how she figured out how to make it better by reading chemistry books and simply building a supply chain upstream and downstream. She certainly looked like she had quite a life that included a few drugs along the way.
 
Funny, I happened to need fentanyl a few weeks ago for the aftermath of a medical procedure. The nurse in recovery room added it to the IV drip, then added more (I had a lot of pain), and then I remember the nurse waking me up and telling me to breathe. Even at the very carefully measured hospital doses, my body was forgetting that it needed to breathe. That is powerful stuff.

The other thing about fetanyl is that it wears off in like 40 minutes. Which is great for hospitals and acute pain. But it makes it really diabolical as a street drug, because people inject it, and, if they survive, they want to inject some more in half an hour. It's like the perfect drug for killing people.

At this point the government shouldn't just legalize marijuana, they should provide for free to anybody willing to try it as a substitute for whatever other street drugs they're taking. They could save a lot of lives. Of course the fools in Washington are going to just the opposite, crack down on marijuana and throw another million people in prison.
 
last name was Arnold. I did catch that she was the sister of a celebrity but didn't know which one. I thought of Tom A but didn't hear it directly.

But listening, it was earily similar to breaking bad in terms of how she figured out how to make it better by reading chemistry books and simply building a supply chain upstream and downstream. She certainly looked like she had quite a life that included a few drugs along the way.

Yeah I thought the same thing with regards to breaking bad. She even had the trailer. lol. I like how she bought a car dealer so when she was sending ppl out to cali to pick up drugs before she started making them they could take different car each time
 
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Yeah I thought the same thing with regards to breaking bad. She even had the trailer. lol. I like how she bought a car dealer so when she was sending ppl out to cali to pick up drugs before she started making them they could take different car each time

Yeah. Interesting. They had to get that story, breaking bad, somewhere. They just had too much insight into the nuance of breaking bad and the drug systems. I always wondered who they consulted with to get that information. I figured it was detectives. But Tom Arnold's sister? is it possible?
 
Funny, I happened to need fentanyl a few weeks ago for the aftermath of a medical procedure. The nurse in recovery room added it to the IV drip, then added more (I had a lot of pain), and then I remember the nurse waking me up and telling me to breathe. Even at the very carefully measured hospital doses, my body was forgetting that it needed to breathe. That is powerful stuff.

The other thing about fetanyl is that it wears off in like 40 minutes. Which is great for hospitals and acute pain. But it makes it really diabolical as a street drug, because people inject it, and, if they survive, they want to inject some more in half an hour. It's like the perfect drug for killing people.

At this point the government shouldn't just legalize marijuana, they should provide for free to anybody willing to try it as a substitute for whatever other street drugs they're taking. They could save a lot of lives. Of course the fools in Washington are going to just the opposite, crack down on marijuana and throw another million people in prison.

+100, especially after I just saw a headline that they found a fentanyl laced weed in Ohio.
Just legalize it and enjoy the profits.
 
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Yeah. Interesting. They had to get that story, breaking bad, somewhere. They just had too much insight into the nuance of breaking bad and the drug systems. I always wondered who they consulted with to get that information. I figured it was detectives. But Tom Arnold's sister? is it possible?
Had to be. Just in that little bit had so many similarities to BB
 
Funny, I happened to need fentanyl a few weeks ago for the aftermath of a medical procedure. The nurse in recovery room added it to the IV drip, then added more (I had a lot of pain), and then I remember the nurse waking me up and telling me to breathe. Even at the very carefully measured hospital doses, my body was forgetting that it needed to breathe. That is powerful stuff.

The other thing about fetanyl is that it wears off in like 40 minutes. Which is great for hospitals and acute pain. But it makes it really diabolical as a street drug, because people inject it, and, if they survive, they want to inject some more in half an hour. It's like the perfect drug for killing people.

At this point the government shouldn't just legalize marijuana, they should provide for free to anybody willing to try it as a substitute for whatever other street drugs they're taking. They could save a lot of lives. Of course the fools in Washington are going to just the opposite, crack down on marijuana and throw another million people in prison.
50 mcg or so IV is the medical dose, and even that can lead to respiratory arrest at times.
 
I was watching that last night. Wasn't she the sister of Tom Arnold?


The interesting thing I found which was on the episode before or after was how the NAFTA trade agreement was like a dream come true to smugglers.
Yeah. Lori Arnold. She only did eight years of a twelve year sentence and apparently feels little remorse. She did a lot of damage.
 
Yeah I thought the same thing with regards to breaking bad. She even had the trailer. lol. I like how she bought a car dealer so when she was sending ppl out to cali to pick up drugs before she started making them they could take different car each time
How do you buy a car dealership with cash? Laundered money, I suppose.
 
According to a documentary I saw on AMC you buy a Los Pollos Hermanos franchise or a car wash and go from there.

Yeah...cash businesses are great for laundering and often used by gambling and drug money. Pizza franchises are notorious. How can you make and deliver a pizza for $8 and make a profit?

Banks have to tells the Feds who makes cash transactions over $3500. its named the "large currency transaction report". So it is common for pizza or car washes to walk in and deposit tens of thousands of dollars. Nobody bats an eye because it is common. The only way to know if money was laundered is to audit the number of pizza's made, revenue brought in and the size of the deposit. Lots of work to do that audit. Churches are also havens in that they are exempt from the reporting. So money is often skimmed. But the real way to launder money, for the big guys, is to put it on a private jet and fly it to the Caymens or similar. Bitcoin is a big concern for the Feds as it can be freely exchanged and impossible to track. If people start paying for their stuff via bitcoin, look out.
 
Yeah...cash businesses are great for laundering and often used by gambling and drug money. Pizza franchises are notorious. How can you make and deliver a pizza for $8 and make a profit?

Banks have to tells the Feds who makes cash transactions over $3500. its named the "large currency transaction report". So it is common for pizza or car washes to walk in and deposit tens of thousands of dollars. Nobody bats an eye because it is common. The only way to know if money was laundered is to audit the number of pizza's made, revenue brought in and the size of the deposit. Lots of work to do that audit. Churches are also havens in that they are exempt from the reporting. So money is often skimmed. But the real way to launder money, for the big guys, is to put it on a private jet and fly it to the Caymens or similar. Bitcoin is a big concern for the Feds as it can be freely exchanged and impossible to track. If people start paying for their stuff via bitcoin, look out.

Agree. Pizza and Sub shops are notorious for that here in the Balto. area.
There's usually a collective groan from the neighbors when one of those comes into the area.
 
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Actually, 3-10 mg (milligrams) is a lethal dose.

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Amazing that's all thats needed to kill you.

As someone who works in law enforcement, I cringe when dealing with heroin users as they are always trying to get a bigger and better high. I luckily haven't run into or been exposed to any fentanyl yet.
 
Yeah...cash businesses are great for laundering and often used by gambling and drug money. Pizza franchises are notorious. How can you make and deliver a pizza for $8 and make a profit?

Banks have to tells the Feds who makes cash transactions over $3500. its named the "large currency transaction report". So it is common for pizza or car washes to walk in and deposit tens of thousands of dollars. Nobody bats an eye because it is common. The only way to know if money was laundered is to audit the number of pizza's made, revenue brought in and the size of the deposit. Lots of work to do that audit. Churches are also havens in that they are exempt from the reporting. So money is often skimmed. But the real way to launder money, for the big guys, is to put it on a private jet and fly it to the Caymens or similar. Bitcoin is a big concern for the Feds as it can be freely exchanged and impossible to track. If people start paying for their stuff via bitcoin, look out.
I thought it was 10k in cash signaled reporting.
 
I thought it was 10k in cash signaled reporting.

you might be right. IIRC banks also have to maintain something called a monetary instrument log for transactions over $3500. its part of LCTR. I believe it is in place to catch those trying to avert the $10k number by making multiple transactions in a single day.
 
I'm curious about threat of terrorist use in a water supply. Is it stable enough to survive a multi-hour trip through a system? I haven't attempted the math on dilution/resultant concentration...
 
I'm curious about threat of terrorist use in a water supply. Is it stable enough to survive a multi-hour trip through a system? I haven't attempted the math on dilution/resultant concentration...

it would depend on what they use.

I live near a water intake for drinking water on lake erie. after 9-1-1, they secured it. A truck drives in every 15 minutes and is inspected (OK, they sit in the truck and smoke a cigarette for the most part). It has a 15 foot fence with barbed wire and a video surveillance system.

A few years ago, one late sunday afternoon, some guy ran his car into the lot in front of the place and was doing donuts. They had several cars full of dudes with automatic weapons pointed at him in seconds.
 
it would depend on what they use.

I live near a water intake for drinking water on lake erie. after 9-1-1, they secured it. A truck drives in every 15 minutes and is inspected (OK, they sit in the truck and smoke a cigarette for the most part). It has a 15 foot fence with barbed wire and a video surveillance system.

A few years ago, one late sunday afternoon, some guy ran his car into the lot in front of the place and was doing donuts. They had several cars full of dudes with automatic weapons pointed at him in seconds.
Yeah but could the donuts travel untainted through the water system ?
 
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