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I just finished watching the ESPN "30 for 30" episode on the Hillsborough tragedy where 90+ Liverpool soccer/football fans were crushed to death at the 1989 FA Cup Semi Final.

It has taken them 28 years to finally get the truth out of the government. The entire process of investigation and inquiry was completely "cooked" by the cops and "spit roasted" by the press....from start to finish.

I kept thinking about how as a Penn State Alumn, fan and towny all we want is the truth (same as the Liverpool fans). I have seen this film before but this time, my mind kept drawing parallels to our questions and search for the truth.

It's worth a viewing if you haven't seen it. You can see it on Youtube or ESPN.

"Hillsborough" is an interesting story - to be sure.
Just as is the "Duke Lacrosse" story.


Unfortunately, any similarities to the PSU situation end wen we get to the part of:

The responses of the "accused" and of the "affronted parties" from Day 1 of the respective events.
At which point, "Penn State" and "Hillsborough" (and Duke) couldn't be much more different, unfortunately.
 
I just finished watching the ESPN "30 for 30" episode on the Hillsborough tragedy where 90+ Liverpool soccer/football fans were crushed to death at the 1989 FA Cup Semi Final.

It has taken them 28 years to finally get the truth out of the government. The entire process of investigation and inquiry was completely "cooked" by the cops and "spit roasted" by the press....from start to finish.

I kept thinking about how as a Penn State Alumn, fan and towny all we want is the truth (same as the Liverpool fans). I have seen this film before but this time, my mind kept drawing parallels to our questions and search for the truth.

It's worth a viewing if you haven't seen it. You can see it on Youtube or ESPN.

It can also take a long time for the weak minded to accept the truth.
 
I just finished watching the ESPN "30 for 30" episode on the Hillsborough tragedy where 90+ Liverpool soccer/football fans were crushed to death at the 1989 FA Cup Semi Final.

It has taken them 28 years to finally get the truth out of the government. The entire process of investigation and inquiry was completely "cooked" by the cops and "spit roasted" by the press....from start to finish.

I kept thinking about how as a Penn State Alumn, fan and towny all we want is the truth (same as the Liverpool fans). I have seen this film before but this time, my mind kept drawing parallels to our questions and search for the truth.

It's worth a viewing if you haven't seen it. You can see it on Youtube or ESPN.


I will never see/hear the truth in my lifetime in fun fortunately.
 
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It can also take a long time for the weak minded to accept the truth.
Just accept what you're told by the media and the pitch fork crowd. Good thing the Duke lacrosse team didn't do that. Hey, Nancy Grace spent every night trashing them so it must be true.
 
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It can also take a long time for the weak minded to accept the truth.

Yes, I've accepted that Joe told the truth under oath and was cleared of any criminal wrong doing by the appropriate authorities.

Any other "reasonable conclusion" is mostly sanctimonious arm-chair quarterbacking by people with an obvious agenda.
 
I beg to differ, the State has never presented a logical explanation why Raykovitz, Genovese, and Hiem escaped prosecution. It was their actions that enabled further CSA for an additional 10 years.
Prosecuted? Were they even investigated? Under what circumstances, however, would the state be required to present an explanation, logical or otherwise:), as to why they did not prosecute those three? Raykovitz, for example, was a prosecution witness in the Spanier case. That ship sailed.
 
Yes, I've accepted that Joe told the truth under oath and was cleared of any criminal wrong doing by the appropriate authorities.

Any other "reasonable conclusion" is mostly sanctimonious arm-chair quarterbacking by people with an obvious agenda.
So Joe said under oath that he was told of something occurring of a sexual nature? Do you believe that?
 
But not to smell your Pitt farts.
Oh, not at Pitt fan at all, but it is now comical how people continue to buy into a false narrative regardless of which side you are on. The truth is probabaly somewhere in the middle, but we will never know.
 
Oh, not at Pitt fan at all, but it is now comical how people continue to buy into a false narrative regardless of which side you are on. The truth is probabaly somewhere in the middle, but we will never know.
And for the record, I've been banned on the Pantherlair for over a decade.
 
So Joe said under oath that he was told of something occurring of a sexual nature? Do you believe that?

I believe Joe testified truthfully to the best of his recollection. He followed the appropriate university procedure by putting MM in front of his superior, which the NCAA eventually adopted as its accepted procedure.

Any further opinion that Joe "should have done more" is just that...opinion.

Personally, the masses vilifying Joe has only strengthened my feeling that Joe was a good man that got caught up bad situation much beyond his control. We are still very primitive as a society...unable to see things in shades of grey rather than black and white.
 
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I will never see/hear the truth in my lifetime in fun fortunately.
I'm riding the same boat with you, 69...not in my lifetime....

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I just finished watching the ESPN "30 for 30" episode on the Hillsborough tragedy where 90+ Liverpool soccer/football fans were crushed to death at the 1989 FA Cup Semi Final.

It has taken them 28 years to finally get the truth out of the government. The entire process of investigation and inquiry was completely "cooked" by the cops and "spit roasted" by the press....from start to finish.

I kept thinking about how as a Penn State Alumn, fan and towny all we want is the truth (same as the Liverpool fans). I have seen this film before but this time, my mind kept drawing parallels to our questions and search for the truth.

It's worth a viewing if you haven't seen it. You can see it on Youtube or ESPN.

Ned, with all due respect to you, give it up. Ain't ever going to happen in our case. And even if it would, who really would care by then. This is just another example of why life is not always fair.
 
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