Unbelievable how many people who want everything to go bad. Rooting for businesses to fail, market to crash, etc.
2020 has to be the most depressing year of my lifetime...
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It was hilarious watching some of media outlets responding to the great news yesterday morning. Several either minimized it, picked it apart to find anything negative, or moved it off their main page.
Notice how the news never talks about Corona testing a anymore? Now that we have plenty of ventilators, testing, smashed the curve, states reopening with almost no issues. its never talked about. The good news is that people in PA and other states arent going to stand for the lock down when other states are open.
Go read the thread 68 vs 2020. 68 was was worse.
In '68 the communists were over there rather than here, so that was better.
In '68 the communists were over there rather than here, so that was better.
100,000 lost to Hong Kong Flu in 68-69 when the population was only 170,000,000. But they still has Woodstock.
1968 is the barometer of bad years in my lifetime (dob 1957). Heck most of the sixties for that matter. What a time to be a youngster....
Heard that they've been spotted in northern harford county here in md, so similar locale
The media has already moved on with the marches and protests and soon they will have Hurricanes so that their stupid reporters can try to stand in the 100 mile an hour winds to impress us all. It’s hard now to get current COVID info which was running 24/7 just a week ago.
I’m shocked we never hear more about this. All the ‘unprecedented’ talk that gets thrown around. It’s pretty much a replay of the pandemic in 1968 (minus the economic shutdown).
The CDC estimates that we had 61,000 deaths from the seasonal flu in 2017/2018 but they give a range of 46,000 - 95,000 and we didn't even consider taking such draconian measures.
I'm not minimizing covid-19. Just look at the deaths reported in western Europe. It seems to me that we should have focused on protecting the elderly while implementing social distancing, wearing masks, etc. The economic shutdown seems extreme. I'd also like to study what happened in NYC and compare it to Tokyo. Perhaps we could learn something.
I would love to see some thoughtful independent study that determined why New York (the NYC metro area really) handled this so poorly compared to Tokyo, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, etc.
What more suburban or rural areas did better than others and why?
I’d also love to see a thoughtful comparison with the 1968 pandemic and see the differences as there was no economic shutdown then. Was it necessary? Did it actually accomplish anything? What was the cost/ benefit analysis, etc?
I agree. Of course being only 12/13 years old in 1968, put an entire different perspective on the year, but at least everyone was able to go out of the house back then.
There weren’t any travel restrictions or business closings in 1968. The rioting in 1968 was mainly concentrated in the larger eastern cities (many northeastern cities); can’t recall any rioting in Minneapolis in 1968 or the rioting being as pervasive. The economy was better in 1968. There was the terrible Viet Nam war in 1968, but that was a war of several years, not just 1968.
Yeah, 1968 wasn’t anything great, but this is worse on so many levels.
No, here’s the US deaths in 1968-the winter of 69/70 from Wikipedia:
The United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated that in total, the virus killed one million people worldwide,[16] from its beginning in July 1968 until the outbreak faded during the winter of 1969–70.[17] The CDC estimated that about 34,000 to 100,000 people died in the U.S.
So that’s a year and one half tally v. CV-19 tally which is 3 months old and US deaths are already 105+K. So, 1968 doesn’t come close to comparing to 2020.
Don’t be so sure. IIRC in 1968 the US had most deaths in the first wave (Second wave was more an issue in Europe). Second, the method of counting deaths was not the same. If we use 1968 standards we are over counting today. If we use today’s standard 1968 undercounted. Also, there’s a huge population difference that needs to be accounted for (1968 USA population 200,000,000 IIRC while 2020 population 330,000,000).
The CDC estimates 100,000 died of the pandemic in 1968. Don’t know where wiki gets 34,000.
“It was first noted in the United States in September 1968. The estimated number of deaths was 1 million worldwide and about 100,000 in the United States. Most excess deaths were in people 65 years and older.”
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1968-pandemic.html
EDIT- Apparently someone just edited that Wikipedia post today to add the 34,000 figure based on a 4 paragraph summary of the 1968 flu by a California rheumatologist. The CDC link says 100,000.
The CDC estimates 100,000 died of the pandemic in 1968. Don’t know where wiki gets 34,000.
“It was first noted in the United States in September 1968. The estimated number of deaths was 1 million worldwide and about 100,000 in the United States. Most excess deaths were in people 65 years and older.”
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1968-pandemic.html
EDIT- Apparently someone just edited that Wikipedia post today to add the 34,000 figure based on a 4 paragraph summary of the 1968 flu by a California rheumatologist. The CDC link says 100,000.
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This says 100,000. It was definitely spread over a longer period of time but the population was only about half what it is now.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1968-pandemic.html
The real question with covid-19 is what happened in NYC and suburbs. Roughly 45k of 110k deaths have been from that area. I heard that many of the deaths in other regions originated in the NYC area.
Agree 110%. Facts and data - no politics. This lockdown may go down as one if the most impactful Policy decisions in centuries...and not in a good way.
1968 I was 16. Got my drivers license. Had access to some wheels. Was able to earn enough money for gas. Lived in central Pa, far away from the riots and Viet Nam, although I did follow all the bad news but was not directly impacted. Closest riots were 95 miles away. Remember the Dem convention but again that was far away.
2020. An adult with responsibilities. Not a bad year until about mid Fed when my retirement funds started to tank. Lost a friend/neighbor to Covid in mid March. Lost a brother and SIL shortly after. Lock down. Protests/riots in the street, again. Preparing for a major move south. Much more stressful 2020 thus far.
2020. An adult with responsibilities. Not a bad year until about mid Fed when my retirement funds started to tank. Lost a friend/neighbor to Covid in mid March. Lost a brother and SIL shortly after. Lock down. Protests/riots in the street, again. Preparing for a major move south. Much more stressful 2020 thus far.
