On tomorrow night 9 pm ESPN. Our story will actually top that one when it is produced.
30-30 Duke Lacrosse Story: Fantastic Lies
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I think the big lesson to remember is that and allegation is just that: an allegation
too many people (in both cases) reacted to an allegation as if it were the truth, without allowing it to be vetted.
too many people (in both cases) reacted to an allegation as if it were the truth, without allowing it to be vetted.
espn won't produce it.
I agree ESPN won't do it but someone will and, man, will a multitude of people look like jackasses.
The problem is most people don't even remember what happened at Duke. Their image is fine. Everyone remembers what happened at psu and that will never change.
That's because Duke's BOT didn't throw the entire university under the bus....Surma, Peetz, Corbutt, Frazier, Freeh, Heim, Poole, Raycovitz, Erickson can never rot in hell long enough
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Our story will be much more difficult to do as there are so many scumbags involved....the BoT, TSM. state politicians, children's services, state police, terrible defense attorney, the PMA, the press/media.......who am I leaving out?
Movie would be too long and too complicated for most to follow.
I am sure I left out plenty of names that should rot in hell with the others mentioned....2 Franks...Fina and Noonan come to mind right away...make room for those 2 bastards as well
1. Because the general public's attention span for reading and comprehending a book are equivalent to that of a flea.
2. Visual material is more powerful, especially seeing those individuals affected by it: the players, the coaches, the parents of the accused.
Just think what the impact will be if and when our turn comes and interviews happen with Curely, Schultz, Spanier, the Paterno family, and, in the harshest spotlight, the politicos and other scum suckers behind this crap. I want to see people squirm.
It will be much more difficult to dramatize the Penn State circus. What Nifong did in Durham was pure prosecutorial misconduct, aided and abetted by the gender studies faculty with a clear political agenda. What happened to us was much more complicated. There was a leaderless Board, a search for scapegoats, a lack of accountability, politicians who panicked and a general feeling of guilt that was exploited by Emmert.
As much as I'd like to believe this, I highly doubt it will originate from the MSM. And if it is ever done, no one will even remember, much less care. The MSM has far too much invested in the accepted narrative, which they in no small part were responsible for constructing. As I asked in a similar thread, where is Costas now on this? Nowhere to be found. He is just as spineless as the rest when it comes to really challenging the narrative. You really think he or anyone else in the MSM is going to risk their position or what they perceive to be their credibility? Not going to happen.
But interestingly enough BOT types at Duke were quick to throw the coach and the athletes under the bus. There are definitely parallels - nerds are quick to pin things on athletics.
A signficicant factor in comparing the two situations is with Duke, it was lacrosse, while at Penn State it was football and Joe Paterno. Had the alleged rape scandal at Duke involved the men's basketball program and Coach K, the two situations might be even more similar. On the other hand, given the significance of men's basketball and Coach K, their bot might have reacted differently (which could be good or bad, depending on specifics).
The biggest difference I see is the black/white nature of the Duke case, and all of the shades of gray with the PSU case. The Duke case seems like a mostly closed book at this case, while I worry that all of the chapters will never be fully completed with our case.
Biggest difference that changes the entire perception of the cases is that with Duke Lacrosse it was hookers vs. PSU and children. Right there you are behind the 8 ball and a lot of Pontius Pilating (aka hand washing) goes on when kids are involved.
Yes, I thought much of the faculty supported Coach Joe Paterno.
Here is another huge difference. JS was a pedophile that raped boys and got convicted. In the end, the Duke allegation was just that, the girl wasn't raped. It was an allegation to a crime that never happened. That is also a huge difference. In the end, there was nothing to blame Duke or anybody for because nothing actually happened.
Without debating what jerry did, there still is no actual relation to jerry's behavior with children and the football program.
In the end, there was nothing to blame Joe, Tim, Gary or Graham for because nothing actually happened. It was an allegation to a crime that never happened.
Lots of parallels - Prosecutorial misconduct in favor of election points, a University Admin throwing its own under the bus without a whiff of due process, a milquetoast university president, a media stampede, a sports program and its players subject to vile threats by the pitchfork & torches crowd, the local newspaper editorial slant drumming the beat of a false narrative, defamation & severe reputational loss, extremely expensive lawsuits, loss of personal financial - social - emotional resources, and a long slog in the court process.
Had Frank Fina and his fellow gunslingers simply investigated and prosecuted Sandusky on credible victim testimony alone, AND LEFT PENN STATE OUT OF IT, none of the above happens.
We also wouldn't know about #porngate and #hategate and the conduct of those in public office trampling the constitution in our state. But that's another rant for another day.
Biggest takeaway from Duke that the public seemed to have not caught on to:
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What has ever happened to due process??? The liberal media portrays everyone as guilty and generates public outcry with the crap the spew without any hard evidence or facts. Just part of the liberal agenda stomping all over the constitution. When did innocent until prove guilty give way to guilty until you are proven innocent?
Interesting how you spin that in your head when adults testified otherwise. I guess if it's oral it's not rape. Good call. Shoving their hands down his pants and vice versa was just a fun highly illegal game. Justice for Jerry crowd are some sick folks!!!!
I'm starting to wonder if child molestation is made up because you guys put out such compelling evidence. Can you try and explain how AF and his mom are bad people again? How is Jerry still in jail? Crazy. Another identical case here with Duke!!! Same exact thing!
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Look, we will probably never get our 30 for 30 made, we will probably never be able to change the minds of the general public and the media. Honestly, I am at peace with it now. I have become more cynical as I have aged, any innocence or naivete in me evaporated after what happened in 2011. I am content with the fact that I have my opinions, I feel emboldens by my own sense of purpose and morality, I don't need others to view things the way I do so that I can find personal satisfaction. With all of that being said, there is an incredible story to be told about Penn State from a journalistic stand-point. If someone in the MSM had the courage, resources, and desire to look into the State, Child Welfare, School systems, BOT, and the DA's office, they would uncover earth-shattering information, I think we all agree on that. There is enough here to make it a truly explosive documentary, to change minds, or even reinforce opinions, but it would be revealing none-the-less. It can't be a ziegler either, it needs to be someone from a different world, maybe someone not tied to the sports media.
If some of you believe that JS was innocent, the so be it. He was still convicted in a court of law. The Duke case was played out in the press and eventually even law enforcement came out and said it was a lie. Yes, there are similarities with respect to allegations and how it went down. But if in the end, JS was found to be innocent and MM was outed as a liar, then the whole PSU saga would have been 100% different. If you can't see that, then shame you.
The BOT will burn in hell for what they did to JoePa & C/S/S. Paying the "victims" only reinforced the public perception.
The man upstairs doesn't care about money. Let's see the bums try to pay their way past St. Peter.
Nifong is Freeh and Freeh is Nifong. Nifong had voters to please whereas Freeh had to please his clients. Therein lies the key similarity in the two cases.
Nobody --- nobody --- in the Penn State case acted as strongly as Duke lacrosse Captain David Evans did. Evans was very public about stating his innocence. Evans got indicted but he held a press conference in front of the courtroom and forcefully said "I didn't do this."
His public stance is definitely a contrast vs. that of Spanier, Curley and Schultz. Has anyone ever seen these guys since November 2011? Why don't any of those 3 come out and simply say, even if in a controlled press conference where they answer no questions: "I didn't do what I am accused of."??
Part of C/S/S's problem in terms of their public perception is that none of the three are proclaiming that they are innocent.
His public stance is definitely a contrast vs. that of Spanier, Curley and Schultz. Has anyone ever seen these guys since November 2011? Why don't any of those 3 come out and simply say, even if in a controlled press conference where they answer no questions: "I didn't do what I am accused of."??
Part of C/S/S's problem in terms of their public perception is that none of the three are proclaiming that they are innocent.
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Fair point. They only want to fight their charges in the court system, but they have already been condemned by the court of public opinion. I guess they contend the court of public opinion doesn't matter, but for Penn States reputation, the alumni, and all those living in State College, it matters very much
The all plead not guilty in court, in public. So that is certainly one way of saying "I didn't do what I'm accused of...". To an extent I agree with you that a strong forceful statement would have been welcomed. But after a few months, or in this case 4+ years, those words are long forgotten. Obviously their counsel plotted out a strategy that embraced patience while the hysteria dies. It does appear that strategy may be working in their favor.
Evans' public proclamation was irrelevant to the outcome of the Duke case. It had nothing to do with the unraveling of Nifong.
No --- of course not. The Duke defendants still needed to make their case in the courtroom. Absolutely.
But, coming out, looking straight into a camera and publicly saying "I didn't do this. I am innocent." ---- it CANNOT hurt. Even in yesterday's documentary, a few reporters said that "Evans' public statement and the strong way in which he stated his case made me consider more highly the possibility that he and his teammates were innocent."
Curley, Schultz and Spanier have been 100% invisible for nearly 1,600 days now. Just like Joe Paterno could have had a press conference himself after being fired (instead of hiding behind "Penn State cancelled that Tuesday press conference where I could have addressed the issue"), these 3 can make a public statement at any time. For whatever reason, they aren't.
I would be willing to bet that most of them (the Media types) probably are not even aware......further, I would bet that inside their vacuous craniums, many (if not most) of them think the trials - and CONVICTIONS - already took place.
Truly
"Whatever reason" is obvious. The lawyers for C/S/S are telling them to stay quiet. And at the stage in life JVP was at at the time he was in no condition to endure intense questioning even about football, much less the JS stuff.
Even YOU can't be that stupid or ignorant:
"In the Freeh Report, Louis Freeh concluded that Dr. Spanier was aware of Jerry Sandusky’s reprehensible behavior, and that he actively covered it up. That is false. As Dr. Spanier’s defamation complaint lays out, Freeh recklessly and maliciously disregarded evidence demonstrating Dr. Spanier’s innocence, including a Federal Investigative Service report vindicating Dr. Spanier. By all accounts, Dr. Spanier was one of the most honored and decorated University presidents with a sterling reputation before Freeh and Penn State published these false conclusions. Dr. Spanier knows that he is innocent. And once an impartial jury has the opportunity to weigh the full body of evidence — not just Freeh’s one-sided presentation of it — Dr. Spanier is confident that the public will know it too."
Spanier statement published in the New York Daily News
You can reasonably agree or disagree with the contentions.....but he sure as Hell DID proclaim innocence......you invertebrate putz.
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