A college education in the 21 st century

[harbest]

Ohio State QB C.J. Stroud gets $200K Mercedes G Wagon in NIL deal

C.J. Stroud will be styling and profiling around the Ohio State campus.

nypost.com

 

[bcspsu]

Ohio State QB C.J. Stroud gets $200K Mercedes G Wagon in NIL deal

C.J. Stroud will be styling and profiling around the Ohio State campus.

nypost.com

Do players like him even have to attend class anymore? As I've said before, why not just dispense with the pretense, and consider players like him as employees of the school rather than student-athletes, which we all know they aren't.

 

[Obliviax]

Do players like him even have to attend class anymore? As I've said before, why not just dispense with the pretense, and consider players like him as employees of the school rather than student-athletes, which we all know they aren't.

when you become an "employee" all kinds of laws come into play regarding workplace and legal obligation issues. That is probably where this is headed. But then it is a professional league that just happen to wear a school name on their jersey. It will be a farm system for the NFL, assuming one doesn't start up.

 

[bcspsu]

when you become an "employee" all kinds of laws come into play regarding workplace and legal obligation issues. That is probably where this is headed. But then it is a professional league that just happen to wear a school name on their jersey. It will be a farm system for the NFL, assuming one doesn't start up.

Well, many of these players now are being paid to play, so they are professionals rather than amateurs. They basically are free agents who are going to the highest bidder; they actually are in a better position than many NFL players because they have immediate free agency, whereas the NFL players have to wait, I believe, at least four years after their initial contract. This just has become an unbelievable situation, and it seems as if there is no governing body to control it.

 

[Obliviax]

Well, many of these players now are being paid to play, so they are professionals rather than amateurs. They basically are free agents who are going to the highest bidder; they actually are in a better position than many NFL players because they have immediate free agency, whereas the NFL players have to wait, I believe, at least four years after their initial contract. This just has become an unbelievable situation, and it seems as if there is no governing body to control it.

Agreed. There is really only one legit path IMHO, and that is for the players to unionize. I am sure that the Lg is watching this kid drive his G-Wagon and wondering "what about me?" So the NCAA should encourage the players to form some sort of union. Then they can negotiate a collective bargaining agreement where time commitments, minimum income and other agreed-upon commitments can provide some level of consistency. it may well be we end up with a premier league of 40 or 50 teams and have relegation rules like premier league soccer does.

 

[lowhandicapper]

It is really terrific that kids now get a piece of the money everyone has been making off of them.
Really great stuff.
CJ Stroud is arguable the best quarterback in the nation, if anyone earned a G-Wagon it's him.
Amateur athletes, if you'd like to call them that, have been getting paid since 1978. Look up the Ted Stevens Olympic Amateur Sports Act.
If you think this is new, you are uninformed. If this bothers you, you need to examine your inners.

 

[Cowbell Man]

It is really terrific that kids now get a piece of the money everyone has been making off of them.
Really great stuff.
CJ Stroud is arguable the best quarterback in the nation, if anyone earned a G-Wagon it's him.
Amateur athletes, if you'd like to call them that, have been getting paid since 1978. Look up the Ted Stevens Olympic Amateur Sports Act.
If you think this is new, you are uninformed. If this bothers you, you need to examine your inners.

Olympics Athletes have been well supported so they can train and have income. I know lots of them. But that isn’t the same as a collegiate athlete participating in an Olympic Sport, who could not have that support. It is new to that extent and for NIL I have no problem, provided there is some commercial usage of that NIL, otherwise it is simple pay for play with a different name.

The questions that are looming and what does bother many of us is: are they going to college and heading toward a degree? If not, should they even be in college? That is what is purported to be on the field and noted as peers of the student sections. College athletics is very definitely socialistic: the revenue sports support the non-revenue sports which are pretty much everything else (we all know the handful of the revenue sports). What happens to these, are they and can they be sacrificed over escalating costs at the revenue teams? I certainly don’t want those kids losing their dreams. If it becomes an employee scenario, does that even make sense for a college sport. Like it or not, it is college.

For those thinking the NFL should step in and make a developmental league, why on earth would they spend that capital when someone else is currently doing it for them for free. If CFB at this highest leve implodes, then they will.

 

[lowhandicapper]

The questions that are looming and what does bother many of us is: are they going to college and heading toward a degree? If not, should they even be in college?

Do colleges recruit kids to get degrees or do they recruit them to win sporting events for them?

I think I know the answer. Let's not pretend this is a one way street.

 

[ryoder1]

Does our top wrestler get a nice Infiniti or something like that? Answer no. Does the O$U top golfer get something? No. Just these spoiled, prima donna football players.

Put them all in a farm league like minor league baseball and get them the hell out of college. The NFL needs to figure out some kind of minor league.

Leave the actual college football to real students and that applies to PSU as it does any other school.

What would be funny is you then do something where you have a cap on the college HC coaches salary at $250K a year. Still more than generous. They become a real employee of the university coaching real college kids who go to class and are real students. Maybe they have to teach a class?!

No special treatment for the these football players. These overpaid coaches like Franklin, etc could have an option to coach in the minor leagues of the NFL but there would be a limit to what they get paid there as well. What does a triple A minor league manager make? Start with that. Sound good James?

 

[ryoder1]

Olympics Athletes have been well supported so they can train and have income. I know lots of them. But that isn’t the same as a collegiate athlete participating in an Olympic Sport, who could not have that support. It is new to that extent and for NIL I have no problem, provided there is some commercial usage of that NIL, otherwise it is simple pay for play with a different name.

The questions that are looming and what does bother many of us is: are they going to college and heading toward a degree? If not, should they even be in college? That is what is purported to be on the field and noted as peers of the student sections. College athletics is very definitely socialistic: the revenue sports support the non-revenue sports which are pretty much everything else (we all know the handful of the revenue sports). What happens to these, are they and can they be sacrificed over escalating costs at the revenue teams? I certainly don’t want those kids losing their dreams. If it becomes an employee scenario, does that even make sense for a college sport. Like it or not, it is college.

For those thinking the NFL should step in and make a developmental league, why on earth would they spend that capital when someone else is currently doing it for them for free. If CFB at this highest leve implodes, then they will.

Force college football to only be for the true student athlete. No one higher than a 1 or 2 star allowed to play! All others off to the NFL farm league. Gotta be some way to clean up this farce and get rid of these football players masquerading as a student.

 

[ryoder1]

Force college football to only be for the true student athlete. No one higher than a 1 or 2 star allowed to play! All others off to the NFL farm league. Gotta be some way to clean up this farce and get rid of these football players masquerading as a student.

Wish Joe was alive and younger. He would have been a beacon of light and sense amongst all this ridiculousness. He knew college football had tons of slimeballs like Jackie Sherrill, etc. His Grand Experiment was genius. Try to go emulate that in some way.

I think the money grubbing, non student athlete types are banned from college football. Even if they are a football player who could make the NFL and a good or great student then you can go to college but not play football, hit the farm league. Go to school first then hit the farm league like a military commitment but no college football. Or try your hand at the farm league first in hopes of the NFL and get your degree later. If you get into college then the school can honor that acceptance when you are ready but you cannot play football if you went to the farm league.

I know this is way out there but the basic premise of not allowing these football players who are just about money and going to the NFL to play college football is a valid argument.

 

[Cowbell Man]

Do colleges recruit kids to get degrees or do they recruit them to win sporting events for them?

I think I know the answer. Let's not pretend this is a one way street.

Ummmm, to win. Every sport does that. Only a select few make $$. Very few. And then, most in FB have Athletic Departments well into the red.

 

[lowhandicapper]

Ummmm, to win. Every sport does that. Only a select few make $$. Very few. And then, most in FB have Athletic Departments well into the red.

There are only 2 power 5 football teams (WVU & Wake) that operates in the red, I just looked it up. Allegedly Rutgers lies and its probably #3. Athletic departments as a whole do lose money but football programs, no. Almost every power 5 football team operates profitably within their athletic department.
It actually helps the NIL argument skewed to football. The football teams create the money and the interest, hence people slobbering all over themselves for the next (hopefully) 18 year old superstar. They've reached a point where they say, awww heck pay them all, they make us all our money.
Like it or not, it's reality.
Quin Ewers hasn't played a meaningful down in college football but he's a damn millionaire because of his football skills because some idiot donor is willing to fund it in hopes it will help his Alma mater not stink.
This is life in 2022.
We can't go back to 1986 and that's just fine.

 

[dailybuck777]

No. Just these spoiled, prima donna football players.

Stroud, is a very humble likeable kid. The same with Jaxson Smith Nijba. Listen to their interviews. I worry that it will almost be impossible for 18-year-old freshmen to be humble and respectful if they are given a lot of money at that young age. Luckily Stroud and Jaxson had a few years under their belt and were able to develop good working habits before the money came in.

I can think of few things worse for the healthy development of a young person then giving that person a lot of money as a teenager.

 

[ryoder1]

Stroud, is a very humble likeable kid. The same with Jaxson Smith Nijba. Listen to their interviews. I worry that it will almost be impossible for 18-year-old freshmen to be humble and respectful if they are given a lot of money at that young age. Luckily Stroud and Jaxson had a few years under their belt and were able to develop good working habits before the money came in.

I can think of few things worse for the healthy development of a young person then giving that person a lot of money as a teenager.

Exactly they do not need all this money. They are all already glorified beyond belief the moment people realize they could be/will be an elite football player. I'm sure they can be media trained to sound humble, the fact is people have been telling them how great they are since they were about 8 now they also get all this money they don't deserve. Again does our best trumpet player in the Blue Band get a ridic NIL deal? NO. At least give a NIL deal to the beloved Nittany Lion mascot!! LOL!

 

[Wallace Breen]

There are only 2 power 5 football teams (WVU & Wake) that operates in the red, I just looked it up. Allegedly Rutgers lies and its probably #3. Athletic departments as a whole do lose money but football programs, no. Almost every power 5 football team operates profitably within their athletic department.

That is not even close to true when it comes to the entire operating budget of a college football team. Team doctors, trainers, facilities, maintenance, advertising, tutors are not fully factored into the equation. Those costs are socialized across the department and frequently paid for through donations and broader university money. Outside of the power 5, there are few if any football programs that are truly in the black.

 

[BBHorn86]

There are only 2 power 5 football teams (WVU & Wake) that operates in the red, I just looked it up. Allegedly Rutgers lies and its probably #3. Athletic departments as a whole do lose money but football programs, no. Almost every power 5 football team operates profitably within their athletic department.
It actually helps the NIL argument skewed to football. The football teams create the money and the interest, hence people slobbering all over themselves for the next (hopefully) 18 year old superstar. They've reached a point where they say, awww heck pay them all, they make us all our money.
Like it or not, it's reality.
Quin Ewers hasn't played a meaningful down in college football but he's a damn millionaire because of his football skills because some idiot donor is willing to fund it in hopes it will help his Alma mater not stink.
This is life in 2022.
We can't go back to 1986 and that's just fine.

Well said. And to your point, 1986 will never happen again for PSU nor will 1994 or anything else approaching that. The economics and declining demographics of our main recruiting area are significant headwinds against it not to mention a coach in over his head. I am grateful I was alive to witness two national titles and a 63-14 grubbing over Ohio State. Alumni today will not have those memories.