showing depleted reservoirs all over California. I am guessing those photos would now show the reservos are full?
A couple years ago, there were stories everywhere
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I'm sure photos don't change. I'm betting that if you looked up those articles, the photos in
them will still show empty reservoirs.
I heard that Northern Cal is no longer in a drought condition. It is now just severely dry. Pretty sure we in So Cal are still in drought conditions. It may change after the spring runoff. Im not sure. But it has rained more in SD this year than any year since I moved here in 07. It has probably rained more than a bunch of those years combined. I have never seen SD so green. As a side effect of the rains and wind, we have had a ton of downed trees. Was playing golf last week and there must have been 10 downed trees on the course.
Interesting look into media over the drought if we take a step back from only living 'in the moment'.
Not a lot of mention that the drought (other than southern cali IIRC) is mostly gone. It's more crisis followed by crisis.
Yeah, it was dry for a period followed by rainy/snowy for a period but at the end of the day it's pretty much evened out (or getting there).
The media lives on crisis- first it's too dry. Now it's too wet. After this rainy season passes and things are back to normal they will never talk about the drought being gone- they'll simply be off to the next crisis.
It's just a matter of time until they pivot to the completely shocking events of Spring tornadoes in tornado alley (as if this has never happened before).
Then on to the "heat wave" in the summer before we get back to a shocking rainy Fall that may actually contain a few hurricanes in the southeast and then back to naming of new winter storms.
Interesting look into media over the drought if we take a step back from only living 'in the moment'.
Not a lot of mention that the drought (other than southern cali IIRC) is mostly gone. It's more crisis followed by crisis.
Yeah, it was dry for a period followed by rainy/snowy for a period but at the end of the day it's pretty much evened out (or getting there).
The media lives on crisis- first it's too dry. Now it's too wet. After this rainy season passes and things are back to normal they will never talk about the drought being gone- they'll simply be off to the next crisis.
It's just a matter of time until they pivot to the completely shocking events of Spring tornadoes in tornado alley (as if this has never happened before).
Then on to the "heat wave" in the summer before we get back to a shocking rainy Fall that may actually contain a few hurricanes in the southeast and then back to naming of new winter storms.
Spot on....the media makes money creating controversy. The weather is a perfect example...its always too hot someplace, too cold in another....too dry someplace, too wet in another. You just go to wherever there is a story and extrapolate to give it the "what if...." treatment.
The media has become a POS. CNN is beside themselves with lunacy. I saw a guy advocating for creating some kind of military coup to head off a "dictatorship" by the current POTUS. Four other people on the panel and not one spoke out. Are you kidding me? Have any of these so-called experts studied one day of world history? They make Kyrie Erving look like Albert Einstein
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Spot on....the media makes money creating controversy. The weather is a perfect example...its always too hot someplace, too cold in another....to dry someplace, to wet in another. You just go to wherever there is a story and extrapolate to give it the "what if...." treatment.
The media has become a POS. CNN is beside themselves with lunacy. I saw a guy advocating for creating some kind of military coup to head off a "dictatorship" by the current POTUS. Four other people on the panel and not one spoke out. Are you kidding me? Have any of these so-called experts studied one day of world history? They make Kyrie Erving look like Albert Einstein
Yep. Nothing like watching the media flip out with scowling faces of concern while reporting live from a Walmart parking lot in Albany, NY on "Winter Storm Bertha hitting the northeast with freezing temperatures, howling winds, and snow"............or what we used to call "winter".
'It sure is dry in California.'
'How dry is it, Johnny?'
'It's so dry, I saw a tree chasing a dog.'
Heyooooooooo!
'How dry is it, Johnny?'
'It's so dry, I saw a tree chasing a dog.'
Heyooooooooo!
I'm not an expert on the cali drought by any means but from what I've heard most of the rain water doesn't really help much with the drought (bc it isn't really collected for some reason), its the melt off of snow in spring that's the real prize. Even with all this precipitation/snow it may be enough to get out of extreme drought but not enough to end the drought all together. We'd probably need several yrs like the one we are having now in order to do that.
IOW just bc there's flooding, etc doesnt mean the drought is now fixed.
IOW just bc there's flooding, etc doesnt mean the drought is now fixed.
Dem, if you're interested in reading what really smart people have to contribute to this Apollo13-like drama in Oroville, i recommend the link.... essentially the BWI McAndrew board for sedimentologists and wanna-be geologists... great photos.
https://www.metabunk.org/oroville-dam-spillway-failure.t8381/page-31
https://www.metabunk.org/oroville-dam-spillway-failure.t8381/page-31
Interesting look into media over the drought if we take a step back from only living 'in the moment'.
Not a lot of mention that the drought (other than southern cali IIRC) is mostly gone. It's more crisis followed by crisis.
Yeah, it was dry for a period followed by rainy/snowy for a period but at the end of the day it's pretty much evened out (or getting there).
The media lives on crisis- first it's too dry. Now it's too wet. After this rainy season passes and things are back to normal they will never talk about the drought being gone- they'll simply be off to the next crisis.
It's just a matter of time until they pivot to the completely shocking events of Spring tornadoes in tornado alley (as if this has never happened before).
Then on to the "heat wave" in the summer before we get back to a shocking rainy Fall that may actually contain a few hurricanes in the southeast and then back to naming of new winter storms.
Spring tornado season is predicted to be bad this year. Media will be all over it.
Interesting look into media over the drought if we take a step back from only living 'in the moment'.
Not a lot of mention that the drought (other than southern cali IIRC) is mostly gone. It's more crisis followed by crisis.
Yeah, it was dry for a period followed by rainy/snowy for a period but at the end of the day it's pretty much evened out (or getting there).
The media lives on crisis- first it's too dry. Now it's too wet. After this rainy season passes and things are back to normal they will never talk about the drought being gone- they'll simply be off to the next crisis.
It's just a matter of time until they pivot to the completely shocking events of Spring tornadoes in tornado alley (as if this has never happened before).
Then on to the "heat wave" in the summer before we get back to a shocking rainy Fall that may actually contain a few hurricanes in the southeast and then back to naming of new winter storms.
You're missing the point. The drought was due to global warming. The recent heavy rains are due to climate change.
bwifan
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Here is a link with the drought conditions over the last several years. When you scroll to the bottom you see the latest status. With these current storms rolling in it will just about provide a TKO to drought status in Cali.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-g-california-drought-map-htmlstory.html#
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-g-california-drought-map-htmlstory.html#
Judging by the amount of snow in Mammoth when I was there a few weeks ago, the spring runoff should be huge! Frankly, Mammoth will probably have snow through a good part of the summer. I am sure it will be open for skiing well past Memorial day and maybe even into July. The snow was piled 20-25 places high on the mountain. I have never seen so much snow in my life. They have gotten even more snow in the past 2 weeks. Mammoth claims they have gotten 484 inches of snow - that is just over 40 feet! Last season they got 362 inches of snow for the entire year.
Hasn't California basically nixed any kind of infrastructure spending on reservoirs and other means of collecting runoff because environment? I remember reading some article where it was stated that some ridiculous amount-- well into the 90 percent range-- of runoff from the Sierras flows unabated into the Pacific.
I don't think that is 100% correct.
In CA, the land is dry and desert. It doesn't soak up rain water so a little rain can cause a lot of problems. But they do have reservoirs. And those reservoirs have been dangerously low. They are no longer low. They are at their highest level in 20 years.
But SoCal is never more than a few months from a drought situation. They don't get a ton or rain and have millions to serve. So, a coupe of months without rain and they'll be back warning about water levels again.
Storm: 10 trillion gallons over next 7 days for CA #LakeOroville watershed to get massive amounts of rain
Anthony Watts / 22 hours ago
February 19, 2017
Last week, I said that up to a foot of rain could be seen in the Lake Oroville watershed due to a series of “supersoaker storms” coming through. Now, the largest of the storms is bearing down. Dr. Ryan Maue of WeatherBell says there’s going to be an unbelievable “10 trillion gallons” in the next 7 days as more storms come through.
Excessive rainfall on way to California 4 to 10 inches of rain along coast from Santa Cruz north … same for mountains above Oroville. –Dr. Ryan Maue on Twitter
Result in California over next 7-days is widespread heavy rain … 5″+ along coast up to 10-12″ at elevation. All told, 10 Trillion gallons –Dr. Ryan Maue on Twitter
Atmospheric moisture well above normal (150-200%) w/plume to landfall California but look at center of North America (250-400%) spring-like –Dr. Ryan Maue on Twitter
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/02...lle-watershed-to-get-massive-amounts-or-rain/
Anthony Watts / 22 hours ago
February 19, 2017
Last week, I said that up to a foot of rain could be seen in the Lake Oroville watershed due to a series of “supersoaker storms” coming through. Now, the largest of the storms is bearing down. Dr. Ryan Maue of WeatherBell says there’s going to be an unbelievable “10 trillion gallons” in the next 7 days as more storms come through.
Excessive rainfall on way to California 4 to 10 inches of rain along coast from Santa Cruz north … same for mountains above Oroville. –Dr. Ryan Maue on Twitter
Result in California over next 7-days is widespread heavy rain … 5″+ along coast up to 10-12″ at elevation. All told, 10 Trillion gallons –Dr. Ryan Maue on Twitter
Atmospheric moisture well above normal (150-200%) w/plume to landfall California but look at center of North America (250-400%) spring-like –Dr. Ryan Maue on Twitter
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/02...lle-watershed-to-get-massive-amounts-or-rain/
You know the scary part, CNN is probably the most 'even and level headed' of the current 24 hour news cycle. MSNBC is really looney tunes. Fox is very conservative and I think is better than MSNBC. CNN is the closest to the 'middle' as there is out there unless you go NPR or BBC or something that is not mainstream.
I would have agreed, 12 months ago. CNN has gone bonkers since last summer. It used to be my "go to" network for hard news. today, IMHO, it is the worst of the big three. its back to NPR for me...at least they don't go on lunatic rants.
...and if only California would stop farmers from using the water to irrigate crops that have no business being grown in that environment the problem would be solved...
bwifan
Well-Known Member
Agree... CNN used to be somewhat in the middle. When their commentators broke down and cried on live TV on election night in announcing HRC losing the election spoke volumes to me. Wolf Blitzer looks like his head is about to explode daily so I have moved on from them as well.
I agree - they have become completely psycho since the election. I didn't even vote for the current POTUS and I see their coverage as unreadable - never seen such a slanted world view. At least Fox and MSNBC are up front about how they present things. CNN might as well be TMZ2 they way they present the "news".
Report regarding the California "Perma Drought"
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California Permanent Drought Update
February 11, 2017
“There is science, logic, reason; there is thought verified by experience. And then there is California.”
A few months after alarmists announced the California permanent drought, California is struggling to get rid of all their excess water.
Oroville Dam energency spillway in use for first time in dam history | The Sacramento Bee
At some point, even Californians will have to figure out that they are being lied to about everything.
California Braces for Unending Drought – The New York Times
February 11, 2017
“There is science, logic, reason; there is thought verified by experience. And then there is California.”
- Edward Abbey
A few months after alarmists announced the California permanent drought, California is struggling to get rid of all their excess water.
Oroville Dam energency spillway in use for first time in dam history | The Sacramento Bee
At some point, even Californians will have to figure out that they are being lied to about everything.
California Braces for Unending Drought – The New York Times
Well, there was a CNN employee who fed debate questions to HRC...
...too bad they didn't give her the right answers...
I get it.
. Honestly, I have trouble determining what is accurate and what is spin in that climate debate as it has become way too politicized. There are too many in the media who can't wait to spin events with drama rather than just report them.
The only one on this figure I would disagree about is CNN and should be further to the left (and maybe a little lower). CNN has gone as far left as Fox is on the right.
Just read somewhere that California routinely has 5 year dry-wet cycles. The dry/drought cycle just ended. I don't know if it was meant 5 years drought then 5 years wet weather or that a couple of years dry then a couple of years wet with the new dry-wet cycle starting over after 5 years. Unfortunately the state legislature thought it was a good idea the last few years of drought to spend money on green energy rather than using the money to fix infrastructure such as some of the reservoir dams that needed shoring up or repair, probably because the lake levels were so low. But to me that would be the best time to work on the dams because the lakes wouldn't have to be partially drained because they were already low.
...too bad they didn't give her the right answers...
Fortunately the Electors got the answers right.
They are too busy creating nonsense claims not backed science and history. CA had a 3 year drought and they were hysterically claiming it was the apocalypse.
Meanwhile CA history shows patterns of recurring 10 year droughts and 20 year droughts as part of their normal variability. 3 years is nothing in that area, inspite of the hysteria.
Back closer to the last major natural warm cycle called the Medieval Warm Period, CA had about a 200 year drought. That's a natural event for that area. They should have been planning for events like this and capturing everything they could, to address their uncontrolled flood of population and flood of water.
Poor planning, poor management and wasteful boondoggle spending got them into trouble, when they didn't even accommodate infrastructure for their 80% population growth.
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Yep. Nothing like watching the media flip out with scowling faces of concern while reporting live from a Walmart parking lot in Albany, NY on "Winter Storm Bertha hitting the northeast with freezing temperatures, howling winds, and snow"............or what we used to call "winter".
Did everyone in Albany who lived through Winter Storm Bertha get a participation trophy?
Yes, the situation is much improved. In the northern third of the state where most of the rain falls the drought is over. The reservoirs are full or filling fast. In the southern two thirds it is much improved but the drought isn't totally gone.
Check out this video of a drone flyover of Lake Berryessa. The circular spillway, for some reason called a glory hole?, is overflowing for the first time in about six years.
Too bad California didn't build a few more reservoirs to collect the rain. Something badly needed when your population doubles from 20 million in 1970 to 40 million today.
Whoa! Are you way off sir! CNN 'even and level headed'? No way in hell!
Did everyone in Albany who lived through Winter Storm Bertha get a participation trophy?
Yes they did. I believe the weather channel was handing out the trophies with free caramel macchiatos. They were creating a 'safe space' so the folks in Albany could recover from the trauma of seeing snow in winter.
