After 30+ years of Republican bullshit, we still have no answer to OPEC

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We’ve spent trillions on war in the Middle East, we’ve had decades of “drill baby drill” Republican leadership, we’ve done just about everything they’ve asked, we adopted fracking and horizontal drilling, we opened sensitive areas and offshore areas to drilling, and what has that gotten us? No where

We are still 100% at the mercy of OPEC and hillbilly oil companies and the american consumer takes it up the ass every time.

 
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We’ve spent trillions on war in the Middle East, we’ve had decades of “drill baby drill” Republican leadership, we’ve done just about everything they’ve asked, we adopted fracking and horizontal drilling, we opened sensitive areas and offshore areas to drilling, and what has that gotten us? No where

We are still 100% at the mercy of OPEC and hillbilly oil companies and the american consumer takes it up the ass every time.

Epic own goal.
 

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2017 top 3 oil production per day

US 13 million barrels
Saudi Arabia 12 million barrels
Russia 11.5 million barrels

Carry on Blutarski Remember when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor
Don't let facts get in the way.

We might as well be dead last. We’d be paying the same for oil, even if we imported every last drop.
 

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We’ve spent trillions on war in the Middle East, we’ve had decades of “drill baby drill” Republican leadership, we’ve done just about everything they’ve asked, we adopted fracking and horizontal drilling, we opened sensitive areas and offshore areas to drilling, and what has that gotten us? No where

We are still 100% at the mercy of OPEC and hillbilly oil companies and the american consumer takes it up the ass every time.

U.S. production is 1.1 million barrels per day less than it was under Trump pre covid.

Gas prices are still 65% higher under Biden than they were under Trump.
 

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We’ve spent trillions on war in the Middle East, we’ve had decades of “drill baby drill” Republican leadership, we’ve done just about everything they’ve asked, we adopted fracking and horizontal drilling, we opened sensitive areas and offshore areas to drilling, and what has that gotten us? No where

We are still 100% at the mercy of OPEC and hillbilly oil companies and the american consumer takes it up the ass every time.

Had the answer with the previous Administration.

Threw away the answer for what?.....the Green New Deal and Virtue Signaling by the Left?
 

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U.S. production is 1.1 million barrels per day less than it was under Trump pre covid.

Gas prices are still 65% higher under Biden than they were under Trump.
You do understand that’s how supply and demand works right? Less production drives up the prices. They have all the drilling rights they need and are , get this, choosing not to drill. It’s price gouging by limiting production.
 

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Had the answer with the previous Administration.

Threw away the answer for what?.....the Green New Deal and Virtue Signaling by the Left?

Yeah…let’s be blunt. The last 50 years of Republican “energy” policy has been a catastrophic failure.
 
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You neglect the “green policies” of the Biden Administration and Democrats that led to this cluster fu*k. Take Biden and Democrats out of the equation, and everything is fine.

Way to string two sentences together that you will, quite literally, never be able to provide data/evidence to prove.
 
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Someone tell Dementia Joe to start drilling for more oil!

Actually, your proof that even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.

The US govt should, quite literally, start drilling and refining its own oil. We should partner with Canada and create the NATO version of OPEC.
 

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Way to string two sentences together that you will, quite literally, never be able to provide data/evidence to prove.
I don’t need to provide anything. Voters are living the Biden/Democrat disaster. And believe me, it’s very likely to get worse before the election as well.
 

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Actually, your proof that even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.

The US govt should, quite literally, start drilling and refining its own oil. We should partner with Canada and create the NATO version of OPEC.
That will never happen under Biden/Democrat control. Democrats want to kill ANYTHING that’s linked to fossil fuels, they’ve proved it, and voters damn well know who is responsible for the obscene high price of oil.
 

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What tells you that the energy policies of the Trump Administration were a "catastrophic failure"?

Just for a change of pace, try to throw in some facts.

I said that Republicans have been a catastrophic failure. You decided you wanted to talk about Trump because he’s the only Republican in the last 50 years that hasn’t overseen a decline in US oil production.

However, you should educate yourself. Here’s an article that you should read.

 

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We’ve spent trillions on war in the Middle East, we’ve had decades of “drill baby drill” Republican leadership, we’ve done just about everything they’ve asked, we adopted fracking and horizontal drilling, we opened sensitive areas and offshore areas to drilling, and what has that gotten us? No where

We are still 100% at the mercy of OPEC and hillbilly oil companies and the american consumer takes it up the ass every time.


Aren’t you the little drama queen.
 
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We’ve spent trillions on war in the Middle East, we’ve had decades of “drill baby drill” Republican leadership, we’ve done just about everything they’ve asked, we adopted fracking and horizontal drilling, we opened sensitive areas and offshore areas to drilling, and what has that gotten us? No where

We are still 100% at the mercy of OPEC and hillbilly oil companies and the american consumer takes it up the ass every time.


Courtesy of the democratic party.
 

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Yeah…let’s be blunt. The last 50 years of Republican “energy” policy has been a catastrophic failure.
I may be making a mistake here but let me try.
Why do you say it is a Republican energy policy? The Presidency and the congress has been split for most of those years.
What would you say is the "Democratic" energy policy? Surely it can't be more fossil fuels. 99.9% of people would argue the R party is more supportive of fossil fuels than the D party. Agree?
So then let's say we should have focused more and earlier on renewables. That sounds like a D position. Agree?
Are there any countries that have done this. Why yes there is. Most of Europe has done this. Has it worked? Absolutely not. energy prices are sometimes 10x what ours are. Even before Ukraine UE energy was 3x our prices.
Were renewables cheap and plentiful prior to Ukraine? No

So it seems fair to say the D energy policy would have:
. led to higher energy prices
. made us more dependent on unreliable and more expensive renewables
. and made is more dependent on some other country for the fossil fuel we still needed.

As another poster said. this OP was a serious own goal.
 

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I may be making a mistake here but let me try.
Why do you say it is a Republican energy policy? The Presidency and the congress has been split for most of those years.
What would you say is the "Democratic" energy policy? Surely it can't be more fossil fuels. 99.9% of people would argue the R party is more supportive of fossil fuels than the D party. Agree?
So then let's say we should have focused more and earlier on renewables. That sounds like a D position. Agree?
Are there any countries that have done this. Why yes there is. Most of Europe has done this. Has it worked? Absolutely not. energy prices are sometimes 10x what ours are. Even before Ukraine UE energy was 3x our prices.
Were renewables cheap and plentiful prior to Ukraine? No

So it seems fair to say the D energy policy would have:
. led to higher energy prices
. made us more dependent on unreliable and more expensive renewables
. and made is more dependent on some other country for the fossil fuel we still needed.

As another poster said. this OP was a serious own goal.
That was a noble effort rosewell…but you need to realize that these board lefties are just not very smart.
 

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We’ve spent trillions on war in the Middle East, we’ve had decades of “drill baby drill” Republican leadership, we’ve done just about everything they’ve asked, we adopted fracking and horizontal drilling, we opened sensitive areas and offshore areas to drilling, and what has that gotten us? No where

We are still 100% at the mercy of OPEC and hillbilly oil companies and the american consumer takes it up the ass every time.


WHAT the HECK are YOU talking about ? Donald Trump opened up oil drilling and Fracking, modified the "Regulations" that prior Democrat Presidents PUT on the oil industry... and OIL production in America BOOMED. Within 4 years America was:

1) Energy independent, AND
2) a NET exporter of OIL to the WORLD !!

We are still 100% at the mercy of OPEC, BECAUSE Joe Biden KILLED ALL of the Donald Trump reforms, and policies... and YOU gave the GALL to BLAME it on the Republican Party?

WISE UP !!
 

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WHAT the HECK are YOU talking about ? Donald Trump opened up oil drilling and Fracking, modified the "Regulations" that prior Democrat Presidents PUT on the oil industry... and OIL production in America BOOMED. Within 4 years America was:

1) Energy independent, AND
2) a NET exporter of OIL to the WORLD !!

We are still 100% at the mercy of OPEC, BECAUSE Joe Biden KILLED ALL of the Donald Trump reforms, and policies... and YOU gave the GALL to BLAME it on the Republican Party?

WISE UP !!

sure, oil production is higher now than it was for 90% of Trump's presidency

You're hella stupid
 

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I may be making a mistake here but let me try.
Why do you say it is a Republican energy policy? The Presidency and the congress has been split for most of those years.
What would you say is the "Democratic" energy policy? Surely it can't be more fossil fuels. 99.9% of people would argue the R party is more supportive of fossil fuels than the D party. Agree?
So then let's say we should have focused more and earlier on renewables. That sounds like a D position. Agree?
Are there any countries that have done this. Why yes there is. Most of Europe has done this. Has it worked? Absolutely not. energy prices are sometimes 10x what ours are. Even before Ukraine UE energy was 3x our prices.
Were renewables cheap and plentiful prior to Ukraine? No

So it seems fair to say the D energy policy would have:
. led to higher energy prices
. made us more dependent on unreliable and more expensive renewables
. and made is more dependent on some other country for the fossil fuel we still needed.

As another poster said. this OP was a serious own goal.
Once in a while you're reasonable.

Should we forget about Venezuela's socialist government and buy as much oil as we can from them?
 

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Once in a while you're reasonable.

Should we forget about Venezuela's socialist government and buy as much oil as we can from them?
No
At least no until we have completely maxxed out our energy production. It baffles me that even if you are a serious green does anyone think Venezuela or Russia produce this stuff more cleanly than we do?
 
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You do understand that’s how supply and demand works right? Less production drives up the prices. They have all the drilling rights they need and are , get this, choosing not to drill. It’s price gouging by limiting production.
Absolutely, 100% false. Total left wing propaganda.
 
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Just pointing out that when gas goes above 3 bucks it's almost always under a Democrat? Why is that?

Democrats get elected when a Republican ****s things up and a real leader needs to step in to fix things.

  • Trump oversaw the biggest refinery capacity drop in the history of the US, which is the single biggest problem we face right now
  • Trump oversaw a massive increase in oil exports - none of the oil production increase benefited Americans
 

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the problem with that thesis is that the high came after katrina in 2005, and that period of high prices directly led to shale

we actually do have a functioning market for ng
That magically changed under republicans?
 

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Democrats get elected when a Republican ****s things up and a real leader needs to step in to fix things.

  • Trump oversaw the biggest refinery capacity drop in the history of the US, which is the single biggest problem we face right now
  • Trump oversaw a massive increase in oil exports - none of the oil production increase benefited Americans
And 2011,2012,2013,2014?
 

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I thought you were talking about NG. But in general, I think that's probably a coincidence and not much more than that, since the oil price is set by a world market.
Lol ok...you go with that.....rest of the world just makes it more expensive under democrats
 

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We’ve spent trillions on war in the Middle East, we’ve had decades of “drill baby drill” Republican leadership, we’ve done just about everything they’ve asked, we adopted fracking and horizontal drilling, we opened sensitive areas and offshore areas to drilling, and what has that gotten us? No where

We are still 100% at the mercy of OPEC and hillbilly oil companies and the american consumer takes it up the ass every time.

Ten of the last 14 years have had a democrat in charge of foreign policy. Your attempts to blame republicans are absurd. We had a booming economy and energy independence under trump and you threw it away
 
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never mind, ao5884, I thought you were talking about NG, not gasoline.

that's the average annual price, which for 2008 includes sub-$2.00 gas after the economy completely collapsed in September.

Adjusted for inflation, the summer '08 price was likely $5.50 or more. so it was on par with the worst from this year.
Prices adjusted for inflation were included.