An education needed on the 9.9?

[GogglesPaizano]

Ok a few questions:

1). Aside from the team budget do you think the University honors a scholarship commit to an athlete who becomes injured and has to drop from the official roster?

2). I assume Cassar, Conel and Teske will all fall off the roster, will that free up $$$ this semester? Only Busiello is an unplanned add, so maybe we can see a surprise from the portal. Other reports correct a lot of entrants.

3) it seems one of the biggest weaknesses of the portal is how do teams with a limited 9.9 add unplanned kids on the fly? One would think all to programs are running the ragged the right at 9.9, do you think they go back to a kid who isn't quite cutting it and day that 30% scholy I promised you has to be 15% because we have a new kid coming in and we need to free up some cash?

Let's use the Eireman @ Iowa example since he could command a nice deal? How might that work?

 

[bigs22]

Ok a few questions:

1). Aside from the team budget do you think the University honors a scholarship commit to an athlete who becomes injured and has to drop from the official roster?

2). I assume Cassar, Conel and Teske will all fall off the roster, will that free up $$$ this semester? Only Busiello is an unplanned add, so maybe we can see a surprise from the portal. Other reports correct a lot of entrants.

3) it seems one f the biggest weaknesses of the portal is how do teams with a limited 9.9 add unplanned kids on the fly? One would think all to programs are running the ragged the right at 9.9, do you think they go back to a kid who isn't quite cutting it and day that 30% scholy I promised you has to be 15% because we have a new kid coming in and we need to free up some cash?

Let's use the Eireman @ Iowa example since he could command a nice deal? How might that work?

What I do know is that when you enter the portal your schools money can be pulled, so Teske’s money is back in the pot. Injuries, they will keep their scholarship as long as they stay in school. I’m guessing many transfers will take whatever scraps are left for the first year, if anything, (Busiello) especially if they aren’t competing then have a plan going forward. And I’m not even sure if a new portal transfer at this point could even really enroll this semester.

In Eierman’s case, if I understand it correctly, he wouldn’t be enrolled since he is taking the Olympic, so there is no need for scholarship money until next year.

 

[GogglesPaizano]

What I do know is that when you enter the portal your schools money can be pulled, so Teske’s money is back in the pot. Injuries, they will keep their scholarship as long as they stay in school. I’m guessing many transfers will take whatever scraps are left for the first year, if anything, (Busiello) especially if they aren’t competing then have a plan going forward. And I’m not even sure if a new portal transfer at this point could even really enroll this semester.

In Eierman’s case, if I understand it correctly, he wouldn’t be enrolled since he is taking the Olympic, so there is no need for scholarship money until next year.

So the tough part is indeed injury. Football is probably a better example but in wrestling where 9.9 is critical of you lose a couple of scholy kids as freshman, no way can you operate for the next three years with them counting against the 9.9??? Hence yes, does the school still honor the scholy but once they are of the roster they no longer count against the cap?

 

[LorenzoFan]

While I coaching at larger D2 our athletic department had a fund that would cover the scholarships of students with career ending injuries.

The student had to sign away any further right to compete and had grade and behavior requirements and was removed from all athletic rosters

If an athlete is of rostered, he can't count against the cap

 

[Lyons212]

As far as PSU's situation, I would expect Teske to transfer and not enroll for the spring semester (classes start Monday). Conel and Cassar, their enrollment for spring semester is probably contingent upon their academic plans. I could see Cassar withdrawing and focusing on rehab and getting ready for the Last Chance Qualifier. I believe Conel was working on his Master's, I guess it all depends if he wants to continue to do so.

All three of them are out of state and probably paying a nice chunk of change to be enrolled at PSU even with athletic aid.

 

[psumacw]

As far as PSU's situation, I would expect Teske to transfer and not enroll for the spring semester (classes start Monday). Conel and Cassar, their enrollment for spring semester is probably contingent upon their academic plans. I could see Cassar withdrawing and focusing on rehab and getting ready for the Last Chance Qualifier. I believe Conel was working on his Master's, I guess it all depends if he wants to continue to do so.

All three of them are out of state and probably paying a nice chunk of change to be enrolled at PSU even with athletic aid.

i wouldn't be surprised if cassar unenrolled and signed with scrap life to tide him over financially until after last chance qualifier/olympic trials/olympics, when i assume he would sign an MMA deal. pure speculation on my part, but that's what i would be looking at if i were him and already had a degree or two.

 

[82bordeaux]

Do you think Conel was getting any significant athletic scholarship money? I would expect that if he graduated with a high GPA from Kent State, that he could have secured some academic scholarship money or need based grants. I imagine that a lot of the wrestling team qualifies for academic scholarships based on the report of the team's academic performance.

 

[manatree]

Do you think Conel was getting any significant athletic scholarship money? I would expect that if he graduated with a high GPA from Kent State, that he could have secured some academic scholarship money or need based grants. I imagine that a lot of the wrestling team qualifies for academic scholarships based on the report of the team's academic performance.

The amount of academic scholarship money at Penn State is not as readily available as a lot of people on here think.

 

[RoarLions1]

As I understand it...
-- A school cannot take financial aid from a student mid-semester.
-- Their current school can reduce or stop giving them athletics-based financial aid at the end of the term in which the request was made to enter the Transfer Portal.
-- If the student-athlete changes their mind, a school can restore athletics-based financial aid (or not, it's the school's decision).
-- Student-athletes that transfer may do so with the promise of financial aid for the upcoming semester/term, after enrolling.

-- I'd be careful about comparing head count sports with equivalency sports. The rules are the same, but there are times it muddies the waters.

 

[82bordeaux]

The amount of academic scholarship money at Penn State is not as readily available as a lot of people on here think.

I had 4 kids at PSU last year and two are still left. My wife and I went there, as did 7 other members of the family. None of us got any financial aid, so I'm well aware of that fact. However, I do have some friends with kids that are PSU athletes that have miraculously qualified even though my kid's GPAs and class ranks are higher. It's just the way the system works. If you have something to offer the university, your application filters its way to the top of the stack.

 

[82bordeaux]

-- I'd be careful about comparing head count sports with equivalency sports. The rules are the same, but there are times it muddies the waters.
Roar,
I'm no expert, but I was under the impression that equivalency sports could have non-athletic scholarship athletes receive academic scholarships while in head count sports it would count toward their head count total. But an equivalency athletic scholarship recipient MAY have all or a portion of that academic scholarship count towards the 9.9. That is internet expertise on my part, so you all know what scholarship $ that is worth! I'm sure others on this forum know much more about it.

 

[El-Jefe]

The amount of academic scholarship money at Penn State is not as readily available as a lot of people on here think.

Have made this exact point repeatedly over the years and it merits a refresher.

Mine is an insider perspective on PSU scholarships -- have been very involved in scholarship endowment and admin for both my alumni chapter and my employer (which gives 30+ scholarships annually to PSU students across multiple colleges).

Nearly all PSU scholarships are targeted to a specific criteria set -- some combo of GPA, major, year, campus, hometown, gender, ethnicity, disability, needs-based, membership in some group, etc. Not all get awarded every semester.

Almost none are available to freshmen -- donors want their money going to surer bets.

Very little is available to grad students. They are generally presumed to be employer funded or on teaching or research assistantships (which can be unrealistic time commitments for athletes).

All scholarships are insanely competitive. Of all the Engr Dean's List students I've met at 15+ years of PSU career fairs, very few received PSU scholarships. Many more received hometown scholarships not associated with PSU (i.e., local kid would've gotten the same award if he attended Drexel or Lehigh).

Additionally, the NCAA requires that schools prove that athletes do not receive academic aid for being athletes. Therefore athletics cannot be a criterion for academic scholarships. And proving to the NCAA's satisfaction that athletes were not given special consideration ...

Cael not so long ago said that only 1 wrestler received academic aid -- Devon Van Cura graduated 4.0 in Chemistry and went to MIT for grad school.

 

[82bordeaux]

Have made this exact point repeatedly over the years and it merits a refresher.

Mine is an insider perspective on PSU scholarships -- have been very involved in scholarship endowment and admin for both my alumni chapter and my employer (which gives 30+ scholarships annually to PSU students).

Nearly all PSU scholarships are targeted to a specific criteria set -- some combo of GPA, major, year, campus, hometown, gender, ethnicity, disability, needs-based, membership in some group, etc.

Almost none are available to freshmen -- donors want their money going to surer bets.

Very little is available to grad students. They are generally presumed to be employer funded or on teaching or research assistantships (which can be unrealistic time commitments for athletes).

All scholarships are insanely competitive. Of all the Engr Dean's List students I've met at 15+ years of PSU career fairs, very few received scholarships.

Additionally, the NCAA requires that schools prove that athletes do not receive academic aid for being athletes. Therefore athletics cannot be a criterion for academic scholarships. And proving to the NCAA's satisfaction that athletes were not given special consideration ...

Cael not so long ago said that only 1 wrestler received academic aid -- Devon Van Cura graduated 4.0 in Chemistry and went to MIT for grad school.

And on another thread you said besides John Brooks, who is of consequence on BWI? Thanks for the expert insight! That's good stuff.

 

[El-Jefe]

And on another thread you said besides John Brooks, who is of consequence on BWI? Thanks for the expert insight! That's good stuff.

I'm not of consequence -- I'm just another alum like everyone else here.

The wrestlers, families, coaches, staff -- they're consequential -- and almost none of them are on message boards.

But flattery will get you everywhere!

 

[82bordeaux]

they're consequential -- and almost none of them are on message boards.

And I'm grateful for that!

And that scene in Caddyshack comes to mind:
"Don't sell yourself short Judge, you're a tremendous slouch."

 

[Dogwelder]

I'm not of consequence -- I'm just another alum like everyone else here ...

... except once your post is on, you make gold records!

 

[Media Fan]

So the tough part is indeed injury. Football is probably a better example but in wrestling where 9.9 is critical of you lose a couple of scholy kids as freshman, no way can you operate for the next three years with them counting against the 9.9??? Hence yes, does the school still honor the scholy but once they are of the roster they no longer count against the cap?

I believe in football an injured player who can not come back is not counted against the 85 limit, while retaining the financial aid for at least some period.
I have no reason to believe that wrestling is different ( but I do not know).

 

[manatree]

Have made this exact point repeatedly over the years and it merits a refresher.

Mine is an insider perspective on PSU scholarships -- have been very involved in scholarship endowment and admin for both my alumni chapter and my employer (which gives 30+ scholarships annually to PSU students across multiple colleges).

Nearly all PSU scholarships are targeted to a specific criteria set -- some combo of GPA, major, year, campus, hometown, gender, ethnicity, disability, needs-based, membership in some group, etc. Not all get awarded every semester.

Almost none are available to freshmen -- donors want their money going to surer bets.

Very little is available to grad students. They are generally presumed to be employer funded or on teaching or research assistantships (which can be unrealistic time commitments for athletes).

All scholarships are insanely competitive. Of all the Engr Dean's List students I've met at 15+ years of PSU career fairs, very few received PSU scholarships. Many more received hometown scholarships not associated with PSU (i.e., local kid would've gotten the same award if he attended Drexel or Lehigh).

Additionally, the NCAA requires that schools prove that athletes do not receive academic aid for being athletes. Therefore athletics cannot be a criterion for academic scholarships. And proving to the NCAA's satisfaction that athletes were not given special consideration ...

Cael not so long ago said that only 1 wrestler received academic aid -- Devon Van Cura graduated 4.0 in Chemistry and went to MIT for grad school.

That's been my indirect experience over the years as well. About the most common academic aid that PSU offers is through the Schreyer's Scholars program, which is $2,500/semester. However, they only get the money if they were accepted into Schreyer's right out of high school. Those that get accepted later on do not get the money.

 

[hlstone]

Have made this exact point repeatedly over the years and it merits a refresher.

Mine is an insider perspective on PSU scholarships -- have been very involved in scholarship endowment and admin for both my alumni chapter and my employer (which gives 30+ scholarships annually to PSU students across multiple colleges).

Nearly all PSU scholarships are targeted to a specific criteria set -- some combo of GPA, major, year, campus, hometown, gender, ethnicity, disability, needs-based, membership in some group, etc. Not all get awarded every semester.

Almost none are available to freshmen -- donors want their money going to surer bets.

Very little is available to grad students. They are generally presumed to be employer funded or on teaching or research assistantships (which can be unrealistic time commitments for athletes).

All scholarships are insanely competitive. Of all the Engr Dean's List students I've met at 15+ years of PSU career fairs, very few received PSU scholarships. Many more received hometown scholarships not associated with PSU (i.e., local kid would've gotten the same award if he attended Drexel or Lehigh).

Additionally, the NCAA requires that schools prove that athletes do not receive academic aid for being athletes. Therefore athletics cannot be a criterion for academic scholarships. And proving to the NCAA's satisfaction that athletes were not given special consideration ...

Cael not so long ago said that only 1 wrestler received academic aid -- Devon Van Cura graduated 4.0 in Chemistry and went to MIT for grad school.

This does not sound promising at all for our favorite goal keeper. Field hockey only has about 10 schollies to spilt up. I was hoping some academic money would be available. She is #1 in her class and we were hoping that would help. Well, we are poor so maybe that will help.

 

[El-Jefe]

This does not sound promising at all for our favorite goal keeper. Field hockey only has about 10 schollies to spilt up. I was hoping some academic money would be available. She is #1 in her class and we were hoping that would help. Well, we are poor so maybe that will help.

The tradeoff is that student athletes can be paid for working camps. Amounts may vary, but it all helps.

How involved the team is with camps is a good question for the coaches.

 

[hlstone]

The tradeoff is that student athletes can be paid for working camps. Amounts may vary, but it all helps.

How involved the team is with camps is a good question for the coaches.

Thank you, she is just a freshman so she doesn't start the recruiting process until after her Soph year.

 

[Brian LB-U]

I believe in football an injured player who can not come back is not counted against the 85 limit, while retaining the financial aid for at least some period.
I have no reason to believe that wrestling is different ( but I do not know).

I believe you are correct about football injury retirees retaining their aid for a period of time while not counting against the 85-man football scholly limit. I’d be careful making the second assumption, however, as the rules do vary somewhat from sport to sport. I haven’t been able to verify one way or the other just yet but I was under the impression not all injured athletes are afforded the guaranteed aid like football players are. But I definitely could be wrong about that.

 

[El-Jefe]

Thank you, she is just a freshman so she doesn't start the recruiting process until after her Soph year.

In which case, pay attention to camps she attends -- run by which/how many athletes. Then you have data to back up your questions.

 

[nerfstate]

That's been my indirect experience over the years as well. About the most common academic aid that PSU offers is through the Schreyer's Scholars program, which is $2,500/semester. However, they only get the money if they were accepted into Schreyer's right out of high school. Those that get accepted later on do not get the money.

Schreyer is only $2,500 now? Used to be a cool 50%. That's too bad.

 

[manatree]

Schreyer is only $2,500 now? Used to be a cool 50%. That's too bad.

At one time $2500/semester was 50%.

 

[nerfstate]

At one time $2500/semester was 50%.

True enough.