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Did PSU ban turd eating along with kegs? Damn, I just don't know my alma mater any more.
Eating turds requires a permit, or else the helicopter will swoop down on the fifty and it then becomes a turd chasing contest. I have it on close authority that jamming your car keys up your ass is tolerated without a permit. The Drum Major has authority to permit this type of display of humility/disgust up to three days in advance of the game. He usually cuts it out of the visitors’ band’s allotted time!
 
Not sure about building contracts, but the guy who takes care our trees is a PSU grad. In a general conversation, I asked him if he ever bids on PSU landscape projects. He said he used to until all the bids started going to Scott’s Lanscaping whose owner is son in law of Gary Shultz. At that point he and other companies would start submitting inflated bids which in turn Scott’s increased theirs as well. The end result was PSU would pay more. I asked him how Scott’s would know what to bid if the process was supposed to be sealed and awarded to lowest bid from reputable business? My contractor said that Scott’s was told the lowest bid so they knew what to beat.

Not that anything is impossible but considering bids all are due by a certain date and most all bidders have tendency to submit at last minute, how would Scott’s know if a bunch of bids are submitted say in last 15 mins or so?
 
Just for those who may be wondering:

How that worked w “Scott’s” (And probably some other contractors):

The processes at PSU at the time (and probably still today) allowed for contractors - once they were working on the job - claims for additional “Overrides and Contingencies” (or some term like that)
The concept would be, let’s say the cost of materials shot up through the roof once the bid was awarded, and work had commenced, the contractor could put in a request for more $$$$ to cover an event like that.


Well, if you go back and pull up the old Scott’s Projects - they would, as a matter of course - after putting in low bids (which would get them the contract) they would request “Overrides and Contingencies” for huge amounts ........ like maybe 50% or more of the original bid.
Which, of course, would always be approved
(I guess the costs of Mulch in Central PA were very volatile :) )


Just one of many ways that systems are worked around.
With 20+ years in the E&C industry executing projects in Europe, Asia and S. America, I can attest that it nearly impossible to control this type of “graft”. Granted, some are better than others and many get very sloppy about it over time. I think those in charge at PSU fit into the extremely sloppy, lazy and stoopid category.
 
Just for those who may be wondering:

How that worked w “Scott’s” (And probably some other contractors):

The processes at PSU at the time (and probably still today) allowed for contractors - once they were working on the job - claims for additional “Overrides and Contingencies” (or some term like that)
The concept would be, let’s say the cost of materials shot up through the roof once the bid was awarded, and work had commenced, the contractor could put in a request for more $$$$ to cover an event like that.


Well, if you go back and pull up the old Scott’s Projects - they would, as a matter of course - after putting in low bids (which would get them the contract) they would request “Overrides and Contingencies” for huge amounts ........ like maybe 50% or more of the original bid.
Which, of course, would always be approved
(I guess the costs of Mulch in Central PA were very volatile :) )


Just one of many ways that systems are worked around.


Good info but I understand how low bids actually end up being much higher in the end. I am asking how Scott's would allegedly know what to bid based on others bids?
 
Good info but I understand how low bids actually end up being much higher in the end. I am asking how Scott's would allegedly know what to bid based on others bids?
Here’s one way: Calculate your actual cost. Price it cost plus a margin that would make the project a fuc#ing net margin loser. No one else is assured of having their Change Requests “green lighted” so they price at a much safer risk level. Take the order from your “homey”. Shampoo. Rinse. Repeat!
 
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Every surrender involves a seminal moment. I gave up on board reform when the alumni trustees would not ask simple questions about that dorm and the other one such as "assuming full capacity, how many years until it breaks even?" :oops:

Simple questions? Our alumni trustees asked tough ones, such as:

Will chocolate milk still be available in the vending machines?....asked by Anthony, I believe

Can you guarantee it won't snow?.....I think that one was Jay
 
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I lived in Stuart and if they look anything like they did then there are a lot of upgrades to be made. A more valid comparison would be $/SF. Also, PSU has updated its life safety and security requirements for all residence halls. Those are not cheap systems. If they upgraded the HVAC (no A/C back then) they are probably looking to go to a VRF or other high efficiency system. Once again, a lot of upfront cost but energy savings are substantial down the road. Put on top of all that the Office of Physical Plant bidding requirements (prevailing wages), bonds (which are a complete waste of money) and general bureaucracy and surprise its pretty damn expensive.
 

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