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The latest "Penn Stater" magazine has an ad on the inside cover for the Nittany Lion Inn that promotes fly fishing packages. It looks like they arrange for an outing with a private club on the Little Juniata River.

Anyone familiar with this? I couldn't really get up there until late June. Is that too late in the season?
 
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Little is great twelve months a year...

Never a bad time to stand thigh high in a stream and take in the surroundings with a chance of catching a native brown.
 
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The latest "Penn Stater" magazine has an ad on the inside cover for the Nittany Lion Inn that promotes fly fishing packages. It looks like they arrange for an outing with a private club on the Little Juniata River.

Anyone familiar with this? I couldn't really get up there until late June. Is that too late in the season?
There are still hatches going on then, but it's a bit early for trico's. Terrestrials will also be working by then.
 
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Tricos are a late July August bug typically (could be earlier though due to Temps). @CF LION if you are considering a guided trip, please email George Daniel. He is one of the best fly fisherman in the world (2 time national champion) and grew up in central pa. He will get you on track and it wont break your bank. I'm not sure of his contact info but you can shoot me an email and I will personally contact a few guides for you that I know personally (George included) and I will see what they can do for you. Those packages are nice but they are pricey and sometimes the guides aren't the best options as the better ones usually work independently
 
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Little is great twelve months a year...

Never a bad time to stand thigh high in a stream and take in the surroundings with a chance of catching a native brown.

And just because I'm super picky about trout, but native fish in pa are only brook trout. Brown trout originated in Europe and were brought over from Germany. Rainbows and Browns can be stocked or wild but not native. Only brook trout are native.

As for the standing in a stream, I could not agree more. Especially when there is no one else in sight. So damn peaceful
 
And just because I'm super picky about trout, but native fish in pa are only brook trout. Brown trout originated in Europe and were brought over from Germany. Rainbows and Browns can be stocked or wild but not native. Only brook trout are native.

As for the standing in a stream, I could not agree more. Especially when there is no one else in sight. So damn peaceful
Browns and Rainbows in the East are not native, but naturalized. There are many waters with self - sustaining populations of Browns and a lesser number with Rainbows. I know of one feeder stream of the LJ that has reproducing Rainbows.
 
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Little is great twelve months a year...

Never a bad time to stand thigh high in a stream and take in the surroundings with a chance of catching a native brown.
Brown trout are note native... only the brook trout is native to PA
 
Could this advert be from Donny Beaver....Douchebag Extraordinaire!

Look him up. Another uber rich PSU BOT groupie looking to profit off of public lands and public funds.

http://www.drakemag.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=1610
Can't disagree about Donny Beaver. He basically is against free public access to streams, leases access and makes it available to his club members for big bucks. He lost a highly publicized lawsuit over access to the Little J.
 
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I do understand that browns are not native the pa. However the plenty of local streams as all of you know have native bread browns. They were hatched a grew up right here hence the word native or better yet non stocked fish.
 
Speaking of stocked fish, 5 of us put 585 trout into two ponds this morning at a park where I'm a board member. I'm the committee chairman for a trout rodeo there tomorrow. Brown, rainbow, brook and golden trout ranging from 12-22". This won't be an opportunity to fly fish as it will be way too crowded, but planning this event and partnering with a local conservation organization is what sparked my interest in fly fishing.
 
Can't disagree about Donny Beaver. He basically is against free public access to streams, leases access and makes it available to his club members for big bucks. He lost a highly publicized lawsuit over access to the Little J.
The successful Little J access victory and the court mandated removal of the state hatchery that was screwing up Big Spring in Cumberland County were probably the two biggest victories for trout enthusiasts in over 20 years. The problem is that the threats just keep coming. There are things that need to be done to protect access and the fisheries going forward :
- the state should slash the amount of money it puts into hatchery trout and redirect it toward buying streamfront land. This is one way to guarantee access and keep private clubs from taking over. Hatchery trout are a lousy waste of state monies. Use cooperative hatcheries wherever necessary instead. We have plenty of state game lands, we need the same for state fishing waters.
- go after some of these private clubs with environmental laws. Most of these clubs are damaging the streambred fish populations by overstocking and fouling up the streams with tons of fish food. This is along the lines of how the Big Spring hatchery was able to be shut down for good.
 
I do understand that browns are not native the pa. However the plenty of local streams as all of you know have native bread browns. They were hatched a grew up right here hence the word native or better yet non stocked fish.

Those streams have Wild Browns. Brown trout are not native to the United States. Nothing can be native except for Brook Trout in Pa.

But i do get what your saying. Just the word Native cannot be used.
 
The successful Little J access victory and the court mandated removal of the state hatchery that was screwing up Big Spring in Cumberland County were probably the two biggest victories for trout enthusiasts in over 20 years. The problem is that the threats just keep coming. There are things that need to be done to protect access and the fisheries going forward :
- the state should slash the amount of money it puts into hatchery trout and redirect it toward buying streamfront land. This is one way to guarantee access and keep private clubs from taking over. Hatchery trout are a lousy waste of state monies. Use cooperative hatcheries wherever necessary instead. We have plenty of state game lands, we need the same for state fishing waters.
- go after some of these private clubs with environmental laws. Most of these clubs are damaging the streambred fish populations by overstocking and fouling up the streams with tons of fish food. This is along the lines of how the Big Spring hatchery was able to be shut down for good.
I cannot emphasize how much I totally disagree with you regarding stocked trout. Maybe, you guys in central Pa. could get along nicely without them, but here in western Pa., there would be very little trout fishing without stocking. We have a camp in the ANF and even in that heavily forested area, wild trout fishing, with a few exceptions, is limited to small streams and small fish. You would be putting a very high % of the trout fishermen out of business and overcrowd the streams that are left.
 
I cannot emphasize how much I totally disagree with you regarding stocked trout. Maybe, you guys in central Pa. could get along nicely without them, but here in western Pa., there would be very little trout fishing without stocking. We have a camp in the ANF and even in that heavily forested area, wild trout fishing, with a few exceptions, is limited to small streams and small fish. You would be putting a very high % of the trout fishermen out of business and overcrowd the streams that are left.

My problem with stocking is only that they stock over wild fish. I really do not give 2 craps if they stock, as long as they do not stock in a stream that has wild fish. I grew up in western PA and know all about the area. There are a ton of Native Brook trout streams, Very few wild trout streams outside of those small streams. That makes it perfect for stocking (still would not stock native brook trout streams). As for central pa, i can name multiple wild trout streams (CLASS A WILD TROUT STREAMS) that get genetically mutated by dumb ass pellet fed fish. That pisses me right off. on top of mutilating the gene pool, they bring hoards of people to the water that keep fish, and they inevitable keep some wild trout (which is honestly fine in some places, but not in others), and it hurts the population.

Stock anywhere you want as long as trout are not reproducing there. Any Class A, B, or C wild trout streams should be left alone from the white truck followers....
 
I know with in ten minutes if the store I can catch native Brooke's from at least three different mountain streams... nothing as beautiful,
 
I cannot emphasize how much I totally disagree with you regarding stocked trout. Maybe, you guys in central Pa. could get along nicely without them, but here in western Pa., there would be very little trout fishing without stocking. We have a camp in the ANF and even in that heavily forested area, wild trout fishing, with a few exceptions, is limited to small streams and small fish. You would be putting a very high % of the trout fishermen out of business and overcrowd the streams that are left.
When you stock hatchery trout on top of wild trout, there are a mountain of studies that show the population of fish in the stream goes down. Hatchery fish bring disease and stress the existing population. The introduced fish have little chance of surviving for very long. Now, if you're talking about stocking trout in an otherwise fishless stream, that's a different story.
 
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