Another Undefeated Home Season - Best home program of all time

[zubrus1]

7-0 this year gets us us to an all time 81.3% winning percentage with a solid lead over 2nd place.

Team Win% gm W L T
Penn State 81.3% 646 525 109 12
Auburn 79.3% 488 387 92 9
Oklahoma 79.1% 555 439 97 19

 

[SLUPSU]

7-0 this year gets us us to an all time 81.3% winning percentage and trails only Alabama. Unfortunately, we didnt close the gap at all this year but we remain solidly in second.

Team Win% gm W L T
Alabama 85.7% 428 367 58 3
Penn State 81.3% 646 525 109 12
Auburn 79.3% 488 387 92 9
Oklahoma 79.1% 555 439 97 19

I don't believe I've heard those stats before, where did you find them? tia

 

[Bob78]

7-0 this year gets us us to an all time 81.3% winning percentage and trails only Alabama. Unfortunately, we didnt close the gap at all this year but we remain solidly in second.

Team Win% gm W L T
Alabama 85.7% 428 367 58 3
Penn State 81.3% 646 525 109 12
Auburn 79.3% 488 387 92 9
Oklahoma 79.1% 555 439 97 19

Thanks. Interesting stat.
Did you see any details behind this? e.g. is this for all home games in the history of the program? So PSU, 133 seasons (I think). But the disparity between the number of games cited for Bama and PSU does not indicate that. And the current Beaver Stadium is just 60 years old, so the 646 games can't be limited to that time. If all time, then the 5 or 6 home games on average over 133 years is more plausible.
Or if you can link the source, even better. Thanks.

 

[Bob78]

http://football.stassen.com/records/h-win-pct.html

Thanks for the link.

So for Bama, they show home as on campus games, but all their home games in Birmingham as neutral. Very misleading. Should be a citation included in there to indicate that.
So their number of home games is significantly higher than this source indicates.

 

[Bob78]

Its all time. I just noticed for Alabama, they have 475 Neutral site games, which isnt correct I assume. Let me see if I can find a better source for them

The correct number is their home games plus a portion of their neutral site games played as the home team. It would be tough to parse that without a deep dive. The researchers of this stat did not do us college football history fans any favors by not at least indicating that for Bama and others.

 

[zubrus1]

The correct number is their home games plus a portion of their neutral site games played as the home team. It would be tough to parse that without a deep dive. The researchers of this stat did not do us college football history fans any favors by not at least indicating that for Bama and others.

I dont view Neutral as Home team as a Home game whereby a Home field advantage could theoretically be derived.

 

[Bob78]

I dont view Neutral as Home team as a Home game whereby a Home field advantage could theoretically be derived.

Bama historically played 2 or 3 of their home games in Birmingham each season. Penn State played them in Birmingham a few times. To think that was not a home game for Bama is being unaware of how some teams structured their seasons historically. Auburn even complained for many years that playing the annual Iron Bowl in B'ham was a home game for Bama, not a neutral site, and a decided home field advantage for Bama. So about 35 years ago, they went to a true home-and-home. B'ham was home game for Bama any time they played there, with the exception of the Auburn series which was dictated differently. But vs. PSU, or anyone else, it was home game for Bama... with all the trimmings of a home field advantage.

 

[Woodpecker]

I dont view Neutral as Home team as a Home game whereby a Home field advantage could theoretically be derived.

So the games in Birmingham in '82 and '88 were on neutral sites?

 

[Roar Lions Roar]

7-0 this year gets us us to an all time 81.3% winning percentage and trails only Alabama. Unfortunately, we didnt close the gap at all this year but we remain solidly in second.

Team Win% gm W L T
Alabama 85.7% 428 367 58 3
Penn State 81.3% 646 525 109 12
Auburn 79.3% 488 387 92 9
Oklahoma 79.1% 555 439 97 19

Good golly, we suck.

 

[Bob78]

Arkansas is another example of the home field stat being misleading. For many decades, they played 2 or 3 of their home games in Little Rock, I believe as mandated by the State, vs. Fayetteville. Look at their home game numbers and neutral site number of games. It's split about 65%-35%. Little Rock was a much a home field advantage as Fayetteville.

This analysis needs more parsing and explanation.

Even with PSU... some of our games vs. Pitt were played in Pbgh, but as designated PSU home games. They weren't even neutral field games, they were Pitt home games regardless. Yet they get lumped in with PSU playing at a neutral site. Should be explained at least via footnote.

 

[zubrus1]

So the games in Birmingham in '82 and '88 were on neutral sites?

No, I think Birmingham counts. Was thinking more like New Orleans, Jacksonville, Atlanta as true Neutral. Here is what I got for games played in Alabama.

Location W L T Grand Total
@ Birmingham, AL 193 77 19 289
@ Mobile, AL 13 7 2 22
@ Montgomery, AL 20 3 1 24
Tuscaloosa 360 58 3 421

Birmingham = 66.8%
Mobile = 59.1%
Montgomery = 83.3%
Tuscaloosa = 85.6%

Altogether = 77.5% which makes us #1 overall.

Thanks for all the questions and feedback.

 

[psuro]

I am sure I am doing this wrong, but I saw that OSU and Michigan had a better winning percentage at home than Auburn which you have listed third on your list. I used the years 1869-2019. And I have PSU at 82%, including 2019.

 

[Bob78]

7-0 this year gets us us to an all time 81.3% winning percentage with a solid lead over 2nd place.

Team Win% gm W L T
Penn State 81.3% 646 525 109 12
Auburn 79.3% 488 387 92 9
Oklahoma 79.1% 555 439 97 19

If you change the years parameter to include 2019, we (PSU) are at 82.0% for home winning percentage.

 

[Cowbell Man]

Whether the number of games is correct or not everyone has mid-hundreds of home games....so statistically closing a 4 point gap in one year isn’t going to happen. If the leader lost all 6 or 7 games in a year, we would gain maybe 2 points. Since these are elite teams, they aren’t ever losing all their home games in any year.

It’s a long haul to the top from 2nd. It’s great to be 2nd.

 

[Bob78]

I am sure I am doing this wrong, but I saw that OSU and Michigan had a better winning percentage at home than Auburn which you have listed third on your list. I used the years 1869-2019. And I have PSU at 82%, including 2019.

Ro, your photos have a win rate of around 99.75%, home, away, or neutral.

 

[SLUPSU]

No, I think Birmingham counts. Was thinking more like New Orleans, Jacksonville, Atlanta as true Neutral. Here is what I got for games played in Alabama.

Location W L T Grand Total
@ Birmingham, AL 193 77 19 289
@ Mobile, AL 13 7 2 22
@ Montgomery, AL 20 3 1 24
Tuscaloosa 360 58 3 421

Birmingham = 66.8%
Mobile = 59.1%
Montgomery = 83.3%
Tuscaloosa = 85.6%

Altogether = 77.5% which makes us #1 overall.

Thanks for all the questions and feedback.

woohooo WE ARE number ONE!!

 

[Bob78]

Our numbers are accurate and home games do NOT include games where we were the home team in Pitt vs. Pitt or in Williamsport vs Bucknell, etc....

Ok, that's good. I still think all of that detail should be footnoted. Imo, as someone who loves the history of college football, those are important details in the history of the game and how it evolved.

How do you designate Pitt for those PSU "home" games in Pbgh? Neutral? Or Home?

I'm sure there are examples of this all over the place. Army vs. many opponents in Yankee Stadium pre-1950s as an example. Considered an Army home game, but played at a neutral site.

 

[Bob78]

My numbers include 2019.

525 wins in 646 home games = 81.3%

Home Winning Percentage, 1869-2019
Home
Team Win% gm W L T
Penn State 0.820 639 518 109 12

 

[demlion]

It is also true that for many many years all PSU-Pitt games were played in Pittsburgh.

 

[Bob78]

What is 518/639? It's not 82%.It's 81.1%.

As mentioned in a prior post, it doesnt include our 2019 games even though it lets you search the range.

My numbers include 2019.

525 wins in 646 home games = 81.3%

Then that is a glitch in your calculator that needs to be fixed. Otherwise it gives incorrect information via the search provided.

 

[Bob78]

PSU in Pitt against Pitt is an Away game, dont care what stadium it is in.

Agreed.
So are all those games then designated as home games for Pitt, even when PSU was the stated-home team? Or as neutral when in Forbes Field or Three Rivers or anywhere other than Pitt Stadium?
Thanks.

 

[zubrus1]

Then that is a glitch in your calculator that needs to be fixed. Otherwise it gives incorrect information via the search provided.

Its not my website. I noticed it which is why I provided the accurate numbers.

 

[Bob78]

What is 518/639? It's not 82%.It's 81.1%.

As mentioned in a prior post, it doesnt include our 2019 games even though it lets you search the range.

My numbers include 2019.

525 wins in 646 home games = 81.3%

Here's the other piece to that calculation, maybe....
Historically, when calculating winning %, a tie was designated as a half-win, half-loss. Maybe adding the ties in as such brings the winning % to 82%?

 

[Bob78]

See my post two above...

I saw that. The Pitt designation was not stated explicitly that I noticed (may have misread it), just the PSU designation as an away game. I did not want to assume that a supposed PSU home game played in Pitt was automatically changed to a Pitt home game in this analysis.

Again, I think a footnote on the site to clarify is needed.

 

[Bob78]

That is how they are running the calc for sure.

So then 82% is correct. 12 ties = 6 wins/6 losses.
518+6 = 524. 524/639 = 82%.

 

[MaconNitt]

.813 or .820 it is impressive either way !

 

[mn78psu83]

7-0 this year gets us us to an all time 81.3% winning percentage with a solid lead over 2nd place.

Team Win% gm W L T
Penn State 81.3% 646 525 109 12
Auburn 79.3% 488 387 92 9
Oklahoma 79.1% 555 439 97 19

Thanks. What does that say about PSU's road record? Where does PSU fall on that list?

 

[Bob78]

So then 82% is correct. 12 ties = 6 wins/6 losses.
518+6 = 524. 524/639 = 82%.

And if the 7 home games / home wins for 2019 are to be included, then we are at 82.2%.

518 + 7 = 525
525 + 6 = 531.
639+7 = 646.

531/646 = 82.2%

 

[BostonNit]

7-0 this year gets us us to an all time 81.3% winning percentage with a solid lead over 2nd place.

Team Win% gm W L T
Penn State 81.3% 646 525 109 12
Auburn 79.3% 488 387 92 9
Oklahoma 79.1% 555 439 97 19

I think Stassen's stats only go thru 2018. So the numbers will be slightly higher for all three teams. Auburn had one home loss, which equates to better than 79.3%. Obviously we and OK went undefeated at home.

(UPDATE: sorry for the redundant post... didn't realize this was already discussed.)

 

[PearlSUJam]

7-0 this year gets us us to an all time 81.3% winning percentage with a solid lead over 2nd place.

Team Win% gm W L T
Penn State 81.3% 646 525 109 12
Auburn 79.3% 488 387 92 9
Oklahoma 79.1% 555 439 97 19

 

[zubrus1]

Thanks. What does that say about PSU's road record? Where does PSU fall on that list?

Only the 14th best away record over 519 games.

We are 4th among P5 teams for Neutral sites over 132 games.

9th in overall winning % all time. We will likely move up to 8th if we and Nebraska have similar seasons next year.

 

[mn78psu83]

Only the 14th best away record over 519 games.

We are 4th among P5 teams for Neutral sites over 132 games.

9th in overall winning % all time. We will likely move up to 8th if we and Nebraska have similar seasons next year.

Thank you. Good stuff.

 

[KCLion]

Thanks. Interesting stat.
Did you see any details behind this? e.g. is this for all home games in the history of the program? So PSU, 133 seasons (I think). But the disparity between the number of games cited for Bama and PSU does not indicate that. And the current Beaver Stadium is just 60 years old, so the 646 games can't be limited to that time. If all time, then the 5 or 6 home games on average over 133 years is more plausible.
Or if you can link the source, even better. Thanks.

I didn’t look at the numbers, but Bama used to play half of their home schedule in Birmingham, maybe that is playing into the numbers.