Antoine White to transfer to Albany
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Thank you Antoine. We will miss you. Good luck.
That's a bit of a surprise. White never started but he played in every game. He was second team on the depth chart behind Cothran and ahead of Chavis.
Chavis, Cothren, & Cothran will be seniors. That leaves only Thrift, Givens, Jordan, and Shelton in 2018 (unless Hansard can make an early impact). This move probably solidifies Thrift's spot.
I wonder how this impacts his degree aspirations. 3 years at PSU then transfers to Albany. I assume he needs at least 2 years at Albany in order to get his degree from that school. Hope things work out for him.
Chavis, Cothren, & Cothran will be seniors. That leaves only Thrift, Givens, Jordan, and Shelton in 2018 (unless Hansard can make an early impact). This move probably solidifies Thrift's spot.
I wonder how this impacts his degree aspirations. 3 years at PSU then transfers to Albany. I assume he needs at least 2 years at Albany in order to get his degree from that school. Hope things work out for him.
What a difficult decision that has to be. Leaving behind friends, classmates, team mates, and a campus you know and love.
Thank you for your time and support and best of luck!
Thank you for your time and support and best of luck!
It's a good move for Antoine, he will be a full time starter at Albany, and play in D1AA against a respectable schedule for the division. He was a team guy here, and he'll be a team guy there. Best of luck.
He'll have two to play two. Degree shouldn't be a problem; he could get it at either PSU or Albany.
Don't forget Windsor. We will be fine in '18 with Windsor, Givens, Hansard, Jordan and Shelton. Bucholtz and Joseph can possibly play DT as well.
He might have had an opportunity to start in 2018 after Cothren & Cothran graduate. Reading between the lines I assume the staff feels good about at least 2 of Jordan, Shelton, and Thrift.
Great kid and classy. He came when others wouldn't. Nothing but the best for him and thanks for all he has done.
There will be more. I'm hearing possibly 3-4.
There will be more. I'm hearing possibly 3-4.
3rd team behind Cothran and Windsor at times.......at other times, 4th team behind Cothran, Windsor, and Chavis
FWIW
4th team? He was listed as 2nd team for the Rose Bowl and he played in every game this year. Chavis was listed as 3rd team.
I prefer to watch the games and see who plays
Cothran was CLEARLY the #1
Windsor was CLEARLY the #2
If you want to debate that, go ahead.
I couldn't say for 100% certainty who played more between White and Chavis, but - without checking the numbers - if I had to bet the mortgage money on who played more, especially over the 2nd half of the season - I'd have to guess it was Chavis
Now, you can pull up a depth chart that lists him as the starter at 4 different positions.......but none of that will change the fact that he was the 3rd or 4th team DT
It is what it is......and I hope he loved his time at PSU in every way
Hopefully things work out great for him at Albany - both on and off the field
How many did other reserve DTs have?
White was listed as 2nd team ahead of Chavis, had one more year of eligiblity than Chavis, and had more tackles than Chavis.
Just because a depth chart put together by an Intern in the SI department doesn't mean it is true. I can't believe how many people actually believe the depth chart is what the coaches put together or use. A second team guy would have played more than 3 of 88 defensive snaps.
Yep, I agree. I don't care what the depth chart says, as the season went on, Chavis played more and White saw less and less time.
Chavis was clearly increasing his PT as the "third guy into the rotation" at DT (the "1 tech" position, if you like that term better)
I know most folks don't really pay that level of attention when they are "watching" a game, but that was clear
FWIW, I took a closer look, over the last 7 games of the season White had ZERO solo tackles and TWO assisted (I think he had about 15-20 in the first 1/2 of the season, so that's at least one indicator of how precipitously his PT dropped off over the season)
Here's a nice story on White when he committed. . .
Penn State recruit Antoine White details life from foster homes to big-time college football
White has defied the odds to reach this point in his football career. He lived in several foster homes until he was adopted at the age of five, according to a story in the Atlantic City Press.
“The odds are against (children with that background),” White told the publication. “I don’t want to be another statistic. It was a struggle when I was younger, but my parents did a great job of changing my future for the better.”
The whole story is here:
http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/index.ssf/2013/09/penn_state_recruit_antoine_whi.html
Penn State recruit Antoine White details life from foster homes to big-time college football
White has defied the odds to reach this point in his football career. He lived in several foster homes until he was adopted at the age of five, according to a story in the Atlantic City Press.
“The odds are against (children with that background),” White told the publication. “I don’t want to be another statistic. It was a struggle when I was younger, but my parents did a great job of changing my future for the better.”
The whole story is here:
http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/index.ssf/2013/09/penn_state_recruit_antoine_whi.html
Not sure where you were able to find those numbers tabulated - but that sure sounds right, from what I would have guessed
I wish the kid all the best. Sounds like he has good a good head on his shoulders and will be successful in life.
He doesn't even play the same position as Chavis so how could he be ahead of Chavis????
As usual, you didn't look at the roster when you listed players. You forgot Windsor who plays 1 technique. White played 3 technique, was listed as 2nd team ahead of Givens but didn't seem to play as much as Givens or make as much of an impact as Givens.
Next year's likely DT depth chart:
1 Tech. Cothren, Windsor, Chavis, Shelton
2 Tech. Cothran, Givens, Thrift, Jordan
with Hansard redshirting.
If there is a position that PSU could afford to lose a player that was already in the rotation, it's DT. A legitimate 4 deep of DT's not redshirting.....
If this doesn't show you he was 4th/5th on the depth chart, I can't help you.
http://pennstate.247sports.com/Arti...al-defensive-regular-season-snap-cou-49371442
I prefer to watch the games and see who plays
Cothran was CLEARLY the #1
Windsor was CLEARLY the #2
If you want to debate that, go ahead.
I couldn't say for 100% certainty who played more between White and Chavis, but - without checking the numbers - if I had to bet the mortgage money on who played more, especially over the 2nd half of the season - I'd have to guess it was Chavis
Now, you can pull up a depth chart that lists him as the starter at 4 different positions.......but none of that will change the fact that he was the 3rd or 4th team DT
It is what it is......and I hope he loved his time at PSU in every way
Hopefully things work out great for him at Albany - both on and off the field
Why the anger? All I did was mention that White played in all 14 games and was listed as second team on the Rose Bowl depth chart.
http://victorybellrings.com/2016/12/20/analyzing-penn-state-depth-chart-rose-bowl/
Two DTs play at a time so the 4th or 5th guy isn't 4th or 5th string.
I completely agree that this isn't a big loss for 2017. Cothran, Cothren, and Chavis leave after 2017 so that's why I said the staff must feel good about at least 2 of Thrift, Jordan, and Shelton for 2018. How is that wrong?
Also add Bucholz to that rotation. Plus, we could see Daniel Joseph and Damion Barber in that same mold of Bucholz.
I shouldn't speak for them, but I think it's more just the frustration of you continuing to lean on a meaningless piece of paper (depth chart, that everyone knows is literally a joke) to argue against actual facts. It was like you were arguing for the sake of arguing - just some exercise - because the truth clearly was nowhere near your side.
To the person/people with which you're arguing, if they're not also just engaged for an exercise, that can get quite frustrating. Your inability to drop the joke of a depth chart, and leave the stake that you had claimed, was wasting the time of other people who were invested in the conversation/debate.
You are just like this on the test board. Oh, and any time someone expresses optimism for a penn state team not coached by joe paterno.
Google is your friend folks (Rose Bowl defensive snap counts at DT):
Curtis Cothran — 59 of 88
Parker Cothren — 33 of 88
Kevin Givens — 27 of 88
Robert Windsor — 22 of 88
Tyrell Chavis — 16 of 88
Antoine White — 3 of 88
Curtis Cothran — 59 of 88
Parker Cothren — 33 of 88
Kevin Givens — 27 of 88
Robert Windsor — 22 of 88
Tyrell Chavis — 16 of 88
Antoine White — 3 of 88
No anger. Just pointing out that your listing of players was not correct and that you didn't read the depth chart to notice that White and Chavis did not compete at the same position, 180 degrees from what you stated. And your "That only leaves...." comment implies that his departure would leave a hole in the lineup, which it will not. Which, other than the fact that you said he got a few snaps in each game and a comment about his degree prospects was the basis of your post......
It's pretty easy to fact check your statement here before hitting the "post" button..... why post miss-information????
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Good grief! I attached the Rose Bowl depth chart and mentioned that he played in all 14 games. I never suggested that his departure would leave a hole in the depth chart. Quite the opposite. Our starting DTs return next year and I think the staff has confidence in Shelton, Jordan, & Thrift for 2018. Fact is I doubt that this was solely White's decision.
My question wrt academics had nothing to do with leaving a hole in the depth chart. Most schools won't issue a diploma unless you earn a majority of credit requirements from their university. I suspect that he'll get his degree from Albany based on credits earned in the next two years even though he already has 2+ years in at PSU. I believe Franklin emphasizes education and that he (his staff) works through that with the players.
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Chavis, Cothren, & Cothran will be seniors. That leaves only Thrift, Givens, Jordan, and Shelton in 2018 (unless Hansard can make an early impact).
That says that you believe there will be a hole in the depth chart to me.... Yes, Good Grief. Time to move on.
Good Luck to him, wish him the best!
At least he is going to go play for a PSU Alum in Greg Gattuso, the Head Coach at Uni of Albany.
At least he is going to go play for a PSU Alum in Greg Gattuso, the Head Coach at Uni of Albany.
