Any chance of changes

[Callthestall]

I saw an interview where Cael commented about it would be good for NCAA to increase scholarship allotment. Could the coaches and ADs propose adding a weight (220) and tie it in to additional scholarship. Maybe 9.9 to 11.9. The good teams would want the increase and PSU would defintly benefit with the current state of the program. I personally wish it was like the old days of college football ,when Bear Bryant would have 120 scholarship players.He would offer kids, knowing he didn't need them but didn't want the kid to go to Auburn. Do you think we see changes in weights and scholarships in the next few years?

 

[El-Jefe]

The schools that aren't fully funded at 9.9 rides -- and there are quite a few of them -- will object.

 

[nitlion6]

No additional weights. There are not going to be additional scholarships either.

 

[Ralphie_]

Anyone know how did the 9.9 came about? There are 10 weight classes, why not an even 10 scholarships?

 

[nitlion6]

Anyone know how did the 9.9 came about? There are 10 weight classes, why not an even 10 scholarships?

The number was 11. 10% scholarship reduction 11 - 1.1 = 9.9. 1990 maybe.

 

[ClarkstonMark]

I don't see this happening. Too many schools are struggling as it is.

 

[NoVa Lion]

Zero chance the NCAA increases the ship limit or adds a weight class. It would cost the NCAA money with no additional added revenue. If anything they would be more likely to reduce the number of weights to 9, so be careful what you ask/wish for.

 

[manatree]

Anyone know how did the 9.9 came about? There are 10 weight classes, why not an even 10 scholarships?

Men's volleyball only gets 4.5 and you need six on the court.

 

[Brian LB-U]

The schools that aren't fully funded at 9.9 rides -- and there are quite a few of them -- will object.

.....and they will continue to forfeit bouts when their one rostered guy at the weight class gets hurt ala Northwestern. Too bad.

 

[RoarLions1]

The number was 11. 10% scholarship reduction 11 - 1.1 = 9.9. 1990 maybe.

Zero chance the NCAA increases the ship limit or adds a weight class. It would cost the NCAA money with no additional added revenue. If anything they would be more likely to reduce the number of weights to 9, so be careful what you ask/wish for.

The vote happened in 1991, but I can't seem to find when it was in effect. I believe the 10%, across the board reductions happened immediately for all sports (1991-1992 seasons), but was stepped down for football (95 to 92, 92 to 88, 88 to 85) in the years 1992 through 1994.

This is not about wrestling, scholarships are a bigger-picture topic. Every equivalency sport took the 10% hit, all at the same time. The headcount sports took a hit too, rounded to whole numbers.

0% chance, imo, of adding a weight class, and about the same for scholarships.

 

[RoarLions1]

Men's volleyball only gets 4.5 and you need six on the court.

And Women's Volleyball gets 12 (it's a headcount sport). The rest (with apologies for the formatting, and "–" means not a sport for that gender)...

Sport Men's Women's
Baseball 11.7 –
Basketball 13 15
Beach volleyball – 6.0
Bowling – 5.0
Cross-country/track & field 12.6 18.0
Equestrian – 15.0
Fencing 4.5 5.0
Field hockey – 12.0
Football 85 (FBS) 63.0 (FCS) –
Golf 4.5 6.0
Gymnastics 6.3 12
Ice hockey 18.0 18.0
Lacrosse 12.6 12.0
Rifle 3.6 –
Rowing – 20.0
Rugby – 12.0
Skiing 6.3 7.0
Soccer 9.9 14.0
Softball – 12.0
Swimming and diving 9.9 14.0
Tennis 4.5 8.0
Triathlon – 5.5
Volleyball 4.5 12
Water polo 4.5 8.0
Wrestling 9.9 –

 

[a_mshaffer]

well, I guess when our millennials figure out how to ensure college is free we won't have to worry about scholly distribution... start our protests now (this is tongue and cheek and not meant to start up an endless stream of discourse on the subject)

 

[androcles]

...rowing!!!...20...
...equestrian!!!...15...
...how many horses does PSU own?...
...I bet that draws a lot of student spectator interest ...
...sorta like water skiing... ...

 

[CowboyUp61]

Although still hoping for athletic aid, most are much better off concentrating on academics. A high GPA and ACT pays for a lot more than that bowling schollie!

I wonder if bowlers get the same training table as football players?

 

[Tom McAndrew]

...equestrian!!!...15...
...how many horses does PSU own?...

It's not broadly supported. It was started on the NCAA level in 1998, when the NCAA and the Committee on Women's Athletics designated it as an emerging sport. It nearly was dropped in 2014, due to not many colleges setting up programs.

I believe at this time there are 18 D1 programs, and 4 D2 programs. The only ones semi-close to PSU are Cornell and Delaware State.

The NCAA teams compete in Equestrian as well as in Western Equestrian.

FWIW, Equestrian and Western Equestrian are club sports at PSU, and PSU also has Dressage as a club sport.

 

[purescurve]

...rowing!!!...20...
...equestrian!!!...15...
...how many horses does PSU own?...
...I bet that draws a lot of student spectator interest ...
...sorta like water skiing... ...

It would be interesting to see who is receiving the rowing and equestrian scholly monies. The pessimist in me says it is probably families who would have no problem paying but are looking for a bargain. When there is a will there is usually a way- for some.

 

[Media Fan]

title 9

 

[El-Jefe]

.....and they will continue to forfeit bouts when their one rostered guy at the weight class gets hurt ala Northwestern. Too bad.

How many FFTs did Edinboro have this year?

 

[RoarLions1]

It's not broadly supported. It was started on the NCAA level in 1998, when the NCAA and the Committee on Women's Athletics designated it as an emerging sport. It nearly was dropped in 2014, due to not many colleges setting up programs.

I believe at this time there are 18 D1 programs, and 4 D2 programs. The only ones semi-close to PSU are Cornell and Delaware State.

The NCAA teams compete in Equestrian as well as in Western Equestrian.

FWIW, Equestrian and Western Equestrian are club sports at PSU, and PSU also has Dressage as a club sport.

My youngest was on the dressage team at Delaware Valley University (Doylestown, PA), and due to limited teams, competed against Penn State. There are currently 47 Equestrian Women's Teams across all 3 Divisions, and 9 Men's Teams, and it's still listed as an emerging sport by the NCAA. PSU uses horses that are mostly stabled at a barn near Port Matilda.

 

[OkieSpladle]

When you have 85 football scholarships, every other men's sport has to pay the price while women's sports are inflated. It is the only way to come even remotely close to balancing out the behemoth. If women's wrestling ever gets going at the NCAA level I'd bet a good amount of money their limit is above 9.9.

 

[ZepGraffiti]

My youngest was on the dressage team at Delaware Valley University (Doylestown, PA), and due to limited teams, competed against Penn State. There are currently 47 Equestrian Women's Teams across all 3 Divisions, and 9 Men's Teams, and it's still listed as an emerging sport by the NCAA. PSU uses horses that are mostly stabled at a barn near Port Matilda.

I think I've seen the place. In doing business w/Eagle Valley Trucking/Towing, there's an equestrian place right next door with some PSU trim [just outside Milesburg/Runville]. FWIW: they have at least 1 camel running around the area too, WTF?

Edit: to be clear: The camel isn't owned by PSU, it's just one of the next door neighbors.

 

[androcles]

...Camel Racing is an up and coming NCAA competitive sport...
...after all, the SEC has courses in basket weaving and history of football for their scholarship athletes...so why can't we start something new?...
...and remember that even Coach Dresser, who is heading to Iowa State, earned a degree in "General Studies" at Iowa ... whatever that is...

 

[Tom McAndrew]

PSU uses horses that are mostly stabled at a barn near Port Matilda.

The PSU club dressage team uses horses that are housed at Standing Ovation Equestrian Center LLC, in Port Matilda.

The PSU club equestrian team uses horses that are housed at Kocher Farms, in Pennsylvania Furnace.

The PSU club western equestrian teams uses horses that are housed at Eagle Valley Equestrian Center, in Milesburg.

 

[bwifan]

My youngest was on the dressage team at Delaware Valley University (Doylestown, PA), and due to limited teams, competed against Penn State. There are currently 47 Equestrian Women's Teams across all 3 Divisions, and 9 Men's Teams, and it's still listed as an emerging sport by the NCAA. PSU uses horses that are mostly stabled at a barn near Port Matilda.

DVU has always had an excellent Equestrian team. Could eat off the floor of their stables for those horse's.

 

[androcles]

...any guesses re: the cost of buying, boarding and transporting horses to competitions - in addition to 20 scholarships - vs the income from their participation in the sport?...

 

[Brian LB-U]

How many FFTs did Edinboro have this year?

I don't see any for Edinboro, but according to WrestleStat they've got a 41-man roster compared to NU's 19. 'Boro's has numbers in the depth chart while NU's is reduced to having redshirting true freshmen listed in the "two-deep".

 

[RoarLions1]

I think I've seen the place. In doing business w/Eagle Valley Trucking/Towing, there's an equestrian place right next door with some PSU trim [just outside Milesburg/Runville]. FWIW: they have at least 1 camel running around the area too, WTF?

Edit: to be clear: The camel isn't owned by PSU, it's just one of the next door neighbors.

You sure it's a camel. Not being smart, they do have some alpaca's.

 

[RoarLions1]

DVU has always had an excellent Equestrian team. Could eat off the floor of their stables for those horse's.

Proud dad moment...my youngest went to the National Championships when she was attending Del Val. And yes, the whole equestrian complex is impressive.

 

[El-Jefe]

I don't see any for Edinboro, but according to WrestleStat they've got a 41-man roster compared to NU's 19. 'Boro's has numbers in the depth chart while NU's is reduced to having redshirting true freshmen listed in the "two-deep".

My point was that Edinboro isn't fully funded (7.0) yet doesn't FFT. They can fill a roster and compete at a B+ level but need a lot of breaks to compete at an A level.

I believe Lock Haven and Bloomsburg have stopped forfeiting as well, despite being in the 4-5 ride funding level.

The issue with raising the water level is that a lot of boats are anchored down with a short chain.

More rides would help NW, but their main problem is $61k/yr tuition. Who's paying that much to walk on? Plus IIRC school has capped roster size due to Title IX -- can't get women to walk on for $61k either, go figure.