Any results from todays wrestle offs?
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That was from our own JP.
So now that Bo has won 2x, gotta think we'll start seeing what the plan is for Mouse -- will he attempt to drop to 174 (where he has very little margin at weigh-ins), or does he go up to 197 (challenge Stout now, see what happens when Cassar returns), or does he stay 184 as Bo's depth?
This is one of those times where you really wish there were more weight classes.
My guess would be down to 174 for Mouse, to go up against Shakur and Gino for the spot. Stout starts at 197, and by mid December, Cassar comes in and goes with Stout for the spot then.
Good problems, although we want all of the fellas to stand on that podium, there aren't enough damn weight classes, but that's another discussion and here comes all that NCAA tech talk that comes with it, but I say there should be 11 weight classes.
Good problems, although we want all of the fellas to stand on that podium, there aren't enough damn weight classes, but that's another discussion and here comes all that NCAA tech talk that comes with it, but I say there should be 11 weight classes.
220, 221 - whatever it takes
But seriously, have 11 weight classes if only to easily break ties
Before entertaining the notion of adding weight classes, I think it would be better to work on adding teams . . .
. . . and each must assume the resulting growth in the sport will occur without damaging the growth in parity we've seen the past 5-10 years. The close, multi-team races at the NCAA Championships is the best thing going for the sport right now in terms of growing public support.
. . . and each must assume the resulting growth in the sport will occur without damaging the growth in parity we've seen the past 5-10 years. The close, multi-team races at the NCAA Championships is the best thing going for the sport right now in terms of growing public support.
Don't know where this thread went wrong, but let me simplify. There will be not be another weight added. There were 200 people at the Northwestern match last year versus the #1 team.
So mouse at 174 or 197?
So mouse at 174 or 197?
I'm on board with an 11th weight class so long as it's a randomly designated mystery class, the actual weight announced three days before weigh-ins, with the randomization process administered by Ernst & Young to keep things honest. The mystery class will add some spice to the soup and keep the backups on their toes.
I concur, Doctor. As CMT pointed out, an odd number makes for an easy tiebreaker. For the purpose of controlling expenses and promoting parity, we need fewer weights, not more. For the health of the wrestlers, I also would not allow them to cert below 10% body fat (The John Smith Rule).
As for the weight classes themselves, simply start at 125 and multiply by 1.08 until you get to 214. Then add the Freestyle heavyweight class of 276. The weights work out to be 125, 135, 146, 157, 170, 184, 198, 214, and 276.
Then make it a single semester sport (spring) so the kids that want to play football AND wrestle may do so. Deeper talent pool spread across fewer weights would drive parity.
Finally, take a page from college basketball's most powerful marketing tool... the team bracket. The average Joe doesn't know Mark Hall from Monty Hall. But he knows the names of universities. Split the season in half and start with the duals. After two months, top 64 teams go into the bracket. Now the casual fan has a bracket and $5 in the office pool.
There's a better chance of adding a couple of women's weight classes. (Now let the criticism begin...)
Given Mouse's weight, he almost has to go up to 197. I can't imagine trying him at 174 when he's got so little of a margin of error.
I think he could be serviceable but not great at this weight, but we'll see.
I think he could be serviceable but not great at this weight, but we'll see.
I had a 3rd source share that Nickal won 7-0. This has the highest level of veracity for me.
Two sources shared Cael's talked to McCutcheon about 197.
I haven't heard chatter about 174 being realistically attempted.
Two sources shared Cael's talked to McCutcheon about 197.
I haven't heard chatter about 174 being realistically attempted.
Bo's aspirations at 86kg are better aligned with wrestling at 197. It's a shame he's not closer to that state this year. Can't imagine Cutch dropping in light of the intell on his cert weight. I'll be surprised if Stout can beat out Cutch, but if he does I'll feel better about what we have there for now.
Think the coaches will have Cutch hanging out close to 184 to avoid a big drop off if Bo gets dinged, and to be prepared for him to take back 184 next year if Bo moves up.
Think the coaches will have Cutch hanging out close to 184 to avoid a big drop off if Bo gets dinged, and to be prepared for him to take back 184 next year if Bo moves up.
mystery wrestler standing in for the mascot... lead off or close the dual. I'll take the Lion
So Cael must have a good feeling about Shakur at 174. If that's true then McCutcheon going up makes good sense.
Actually I would be surprised if McCutcheon could beat Stout. First Stout is a very legitimate 197 pounder and second it is my understanding he is becoming quite good.
Wow, I didn't think he would be able to handle Mouse so easily. I still want to see Mouse in there. He is one grinder I really enjoy watching. Put Nickal in at 97 until Big 10's to get used to the stronger guys to better prepare for dean. This way no 184 would be able to get a read on how to wrestle him. Possible?
Laughing just a little. See what happens when there are too many self-proclaimed "insiders"? The majority that truly know don't say a word to maintain that trust level with the coaches. This may be a bad example since it's not "secret squirrel" stuff, just sayin'.
It's easy to have a good feeling about Shakur and 174, because there's already a plan B in place. Cutch to 197 makes more sense.
I agree. It doesn't make sense to waste Cutch at 174 now since there is still a chance Halls shirt could be pulled.
It definitely makes more sense for Cutch to go up to 97 now. Especially looking ahead to next year, if Bo stays at 84 and Hall comes in at 74, there's no place for him to go for his senior year except 97. Go up now and start putting on good size for next year. Going from 74 to 97 in an offseason with someone of his stature would be near impossible. All of this changes if Bo moves up again to 97 next year. Even if that is the case, I would think moving back down to 84 would be an easy move for Cutch
Strength and style could work at 197. Pretty weak weight class. Best chance for 10AA?
Lots of disadvantages especially to Cutch weighing at 184 all season and then going 197 for BIGs. Bad idea. Plus I see no advantage to Bo wrestling up at 197. I'd rather he get used to wrestling 184 pounders than 197.
If Bo will be at 97 next year why not let matt wrestle 184 all this year, bo to 97 all year and if the math does not look good for bigs and natls pull Marks shirt for 74. It is not like we are lacking future depth.
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Ya, it almost seems like the coaches told different "insiders" different scores in order to weed out the moles.
waiting to hear from spyker, he probably has video also...
