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Are parts of the universe held together by unknown mass structures?

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There is solid evidence that multiple galaxies are tied together somehow. Traveling as a unit or orbiting a central point....even though they are so far apart that gravity cannot be the cause. Is this some dark matter structure we cannot see? Or dark energy forces we cannot measure? Once discovered, will it lead to interstellar travel? Or incredible energy sources for earth more revolutionary than the discovery of electricity?

  • New findings in astronomy are making some astronomers doubt our basic model of the universe.
  • Alignments of celestial objects suggest that they may be embedded in large-scale structures.
  • Galaxies too far apart to be influencing each other are moving through space together.

 
Well obviously with this news, none of us should be wasting money on short term solutions such as electric battery powered cars or solar panel heating with this exciting new energy source on the horizon.
 
There is solid evidence that multiple galaxies are tied together somehow. Traveling as a unit or orbiting a central point....even though they are so far apart that gravity cannot be the cause. Is this some dark matter structure we cannot see? Or dark energy forces we cannot measure? Once discovered, will it lead to interstellar travel? Or incredible energy sources for earth more revolutionary than the discovery of electricity?

  • New findings in astronomy are making some astronomers doubt our basic model of the universe.
  • Alignments of celestial objects suggest that they may be embedded in large-scale structures.
  • Galaxies too far apart to be influencing each other are moving through space together.

This is heavy.
 
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There is solid evidence that multiple galaxies are tied together somehow. Traveling as a unit or orbiting a central point....even though they are so far apart that gravity cannot be the cause. Is this some dark matter structure we cannot see? Or dark energy forces we cannot measure? Once discovered, will it lead to interstellar travel? Or incredible energy sources for earth more revolutionary than the discovery of electricity?

  • New findings in astronomy are making some astronomers doubt our basic model of the universe.
  • Alignments of celestial objects suggest that they may be embedded in large-scale structures.
  • Galaxies too far apart to be influencing each other are moving through space together.

No. The universe is held together by duck tape.
 
There is solid evidence that multiple galaxies are tied together somehow. Traveling as a unit or orbiting a central point....even though they are so far apart that gravity cannot be the cause. Is this some dark matter structure we cannot see? Or dark energy forces we cannot measure? Once discovered, will it lead to interstellar travel? Or incredible energy sources for earth more revolutionary than the discovery of electricity?

  • New findings in astronomy are making some astronomers doubt our basic model of the universe.
  • Alignments of celestial objects suggest that they may be embedded in large-scale structures.
  • Galaxies too far apart to be influencing each other are moving through space together.


The science of cosmology is fascinating...because it points to an unfathomable order in the universe and a Power beyond human comprehension as its author.

These latest observations add to the mystery and underscore how little our human minds know...or will ever learn.

Sorry, just some musing on my part. We now return you to regular programming...
 
The science of cosmology is fascinating...because it points to an unfathomable order in the universe and a Power beyond human comprehension as its author.

These latest observations add to the mystery and underscore how little our human minds know...or will ever learn.

Sorry, just some musing on my part. We now return you to regular programming...
You should read The Big Bang, by Simon Singh. He starts at the very beginning, always in the historical context. What’s the diameter of the earth? How far from Earth to the moon? To the Sun? He stops when the Big Bang is finally verified. It’s a great book; I can’t promote this enough.
 
The science of cosmology is fascinating...because it points to an unfathomable order in the universe and a Power beyond human comprehension as its author.

These latest observations add to the mystery and underscore how little our human minds know...or will ever learn.

Sorry, just some musing on my part. We now return you to regular programming...
I’ll have to ask the gal that cuts my hair the next time around. She told me she had a degree in that.
 
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You should read The Big Bang, by Simon Singh. He starts at the very beginning, always in the historical context. What’s the diameter of the earth? How far from Earth to the moon? To the Sun? He stops when the Big Bang is finally verified. It’s a great book; I can’t promote this enough.

Thanks, I've heard of that book but never read it. I'll definitely check it out.
 
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First noted by Johnny Carson while interviewing Dolly Parton--
How much pay was he willing to give up to see that? I remember the show but I do not remember if he said a week or a month or something else. That was long ago.

Never mind, I found it in 1977 he said he was willing to give up a year's pay for a peak at them.

Why would I have a brain cell that remembers part of that show but today my wife sent me to the grocery store to get three things and I had to call her and ask what two of the items were when I got there?
 
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There is solid evidence that multiple galaxies are tied together somehow. Traveling as a unit or orbiting a central point....even though they are so far apart that gravity cannot be the cause. Is this some dark matter structure we cannot see? Or dark energy forces we cannot measure? Once discovered, will it lead to interstellar travel? Or incredible energy sources for earth more revolutionary than the discovery of electricity?

  • New findings in astronomy are making some astronomers doubt our basic model of the universe.
  • Alignments of celestial objects suggest that they may be embedded in large-scale structures.
  • Galaxies too far apart to be influencing each other are moving through space together.


If Fauci didn't say it, it ain't true.

(Am I doing it right?)
 
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What a bunch of losers. A thread far to complicated for your simple minds to comprehend so you make a pile of Pee Wee Herman jokes. The implications of the science may change humanity for eternity. But just continue on, yucking it up. The real people will take of yinz.🤯🤨🤦🏼 👩🏾‍🔬
You're joking, right?
 
The implications of the science may change humanity for eternity.

If our race can somehow survive its collective blindness and arrogance...and also escape destruction from some other planetary disaster of unknown and unpredictable origin...then maybe far in the future the human mind will evolve to a point of being able to grasp and even harness some of these cosmological mysteries.

That's not happening in our lifetimes...or that of our children's...or grandchildren's.

But there is tantalizing evidence of civilizations in this universe that have managed it...at least in part. Check out the documentary The Phenomenon sometime. It's free on Comcast.
 
What a bunch of losers. A thread far to complicated for your simple minds to comprehend so you make a pile of Pee Wee Herman jokes. The implications of the science may change humanity for eternity. But just continue on, yucking it up. The real people will take of yinz.🤯🤨🤦🏼 👩🏾‍🔬
My apologies. Interesting topic and I just came across it this morning. Of course, to really speak to a topic like this you would want to look at the actual research and review the data that they collected. I don’t have time for that right now. But while making breakfast I gave it some cursory thought and, in my mind, there are multiple potentially plausible explanations in addition to some unseen dark matter or dark forces to which the celestial bodies respond.

First let’s get to the gravity of the situation or at least how it was best described to me by a friend who is a physics professor. He explains the gravitational force as merely the shortest distance between masses or energy densities in the curvature that they create in the space-time continuum. Within this explanation of gravity is a couple of potentially plausible explanations for the phenomena of celestial bodies moving together as if there were some unseen mass or forces guiding their motion despite the distances between them seeming to be too great with an inverse square drop off in the effect from the force of gravity.

  • Perhaps what influences these galaxies is not dark matter but rather a large system of masses too small for each to individually be detected by current methods but collectively, extremely massive and spread over enough distance that the system of masses has a large gravitational pull that is also extended over greater distances as a result of the masses having a greater spread throughout the space. Think of this explanation as if the galaxies that the researchers were following were shells that catch our eye on a beach, spread pretty far apart, but connected through the many times more prevalent and collectively greater mass, but individually much smaller, granules of sand underlying the shells.

  • Another potentially plausible explanation is that an energy density or a system of energy densities distributed throughout the space are influencing the galaxies. E=mc^2 so mass is really a form of potential energy which can be released in ridiculously small amounts during chemical reactions, in still relatively small amounts during nuclear reactions, but in totality during particle-antiparticle annihilation. So perhaps there is a great enough rate of particle/anti-particle annihilations spread throughout the space between these galaxies to collectively bind their movements.

  • Another potentially plausible explanation is that there is a memory to or lag in the space-time continuum response to mass and energy densities. Galaxies that once were closer together created curvature of space-time and some residual curvature remains over the now greater separation distance between the galaxies.

  • Perhaps the curvature of space-time due to mass and energy densities has a damped wave-like behavior to it that is like ripples on a pond when you toss a stone. The amplitude of the space-time continuum curvature wave is greatest near the mass or energy density and falls at the inverse square of the separation distance rate but the maximum disturbance of the space-time continuum at the mass or energy density creates a minimum disturbance at half of the wavelength and then repeats with successively smaller maxima of the damped wave at multiples of one wavelength apart thereby allowing the galaxies to interact with one another over a greater distance.

  • The methods and results of the researchers require scrutiny. They can present findings but perhaps their methods completely overlook critical (such as collections of smaller but individually undetectable mass or energy density systems spread over vast distances) or are limited or even subject to systematic error (which can be many times larger than the actual measurements in this particular field).

  • Lastly, I will say that there is so much that we truly don’t know about our world. This is why it always amazes me how certain humans can often be in thinking that we know all of or can control our world. The history of follies associated with our certainty of things particularly in science would be comical if it weren't also often tragic. This is why I tend to be pretty skeptical with regard to any certainty pushed by laymen (politicians, news reporters, etc.). Half of them don't even understand the basics of the science that they claim is so certain. Real scientists always continue to question. That is nearly the definition of science. It is not a poll. It is not a current belief. It is continuing to question using rigorous methods to test our hypotheses and that extends to science which might be considered to be settled. We often learn through greater scrutiny that which we believed was true is either not or only true for specific conditions.
 
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There is solid evidence that multiple galaxies are tied together somehow. Traveling as a unit or orbiting a central point....even though they are so far apart that gravity cannot be the cause. Is this some dark matter structure we cannot see? Or dark energy forces we cannot measure? Once discovered, will it lead to interstellar travel? Or incredible energy sources for earth more revolutionary than the discovery of electricity?

  • New findings in astronomy are making some astronomers doubt our basic model of the universe.
  • Alignments of celestial objects suggest that they may be embedded in large-scale structures.
  • Galaxies too far apart to be influencing each other are moving through space together.

Planets are really held together by a super , super glue. Just Kidding.
 
Why would I have a brain cell that remembers part of that show but today my wife sent me to the grocery store to get three things and I had to call her and ask what two of the items were when I got there?

Haha! Yeah, that's me too.

The weird thing is that I can actually remember the phone numbers from 60 years ago of the guys I hung with from dawn to dusk (during summer at least) as a kid in the small NEPA town where I grew up...but in the present day I forget stuff much closer at hand while walking from one room to another.

This is apparently a symptom of old age.
 
Planets are really held together by a super , super glue. Just Kidding.
Why did you insert the “Just Kidding” appendage? Throughout History many renowned individuals have expressed more ridiculous opinions.
 
Haha! Yeah, that's me too.

The weird thing is that I can actually remember the phone numbers from 60 years ago of the guys I hung with from dawn to dusk (during summer at least) as a kid in the small NEPA town where I grew up...but in the present day I forget stuff much closer at hand while walking from one room to another.

This is apparently a symptom of old age.
Where in NE Pa?
 
My apologies. Interesting topic and I just came across it this morning. Of course, to really speak to a topic like this you would want to look at the actual research and review the data that they collected. I don’t have time for that right now. But while making breakfast I gave it some cursory thought and, in my mind, there are multiple potentially plausible explanations in addition to some unseen dark matter or dark forces to which the celestial bodies respond.

First let’s get to the gravity of the situation or at least how it was best described to me by a friend who is a physics professor. He explains the gravitational force as merely the shortest distance between masses or energy densities in the curvature that they create in the space-time continuum. Within this explanation of gravity is a couple of potentially plausible explanations for the phenomena of celestial bodies moving together as if there were some unseen mass or forces guiding their motion despite the distances between them seeming to be too great with an inverse square drop off in the effect from the force of gravity.

  • Perhaps what influences these galaxies is not dark matter but rather a large system of masses too small for each to individually be detected by current methods but collectively, extremely massive and spread over enough distance that the system of masses has a large gravitational pull that is also extended over greater distances as a result of the masses having a greater spread throughout the space. Think of this explanation as if the galaxies that the researchers were following were shells that catch our eye on a beach, spread pretty far apart, but connected through the many times more prevalent and collectively greater mass, but individually much smaller, granules of sand underlying the shells.

  • Another potentially plausible explanation is that an energy density or a system of energy densities distributed throughout the space are influencing the galaxies. E=mc^2 so mass is really a form of potential energy which can be released in ridiculously small amounts during chemical reactions, in still relatively small amounts during nuclear reactions, but in totality during particle-antiparticle annihilation. So perhaps there is a great enough rate of particle/anti-particle annihilations spread throughout the space between these galaxies to collectively bind their movements.

  • Another potentially plausible explanation is that there is a memory to or lag in the space-time continuum response to mass and energy densities. Galaxies that once were closer together created curvature of space-time and some residual curvature remains over the now greater separation distance between the galaxies.
  • Perhaps the curvature of space-time due to mass and energy densities has a damped wave-like behavior to it that is like ripples on a pond when you toss a stone. The amplitude of the space-time continuum curvature wave is greatest near the mass or energy density and falls at the inverse square of the separation distance rate but the maximum disturbance of the space-time continuum at the mass or energy density creates a minimum disturbance at half of the wavelength and then repeats with successively smaller maxima of the damped wave one wavelength apart thereby allowing the galaxies to interact with one another over a greater distance.

  • The methods and results of the researchers require scrutiny. They can present findings but perhaps their methods completely overlook critical (such as collections of smaller but individually undetectable mass or energy density systems spread over vast distances) or are limited or even subject to systematic error (which can be many times larger than the actual measurements in this particular field).

  • Lastly, I will say that there is so much that we truly don’t know about our world. This is why it always amazes me how certain humans can often be in thinking that we know all of or can control our world. The history of follies associated with our certainty of things particularly in science would be comical if it weren't also often tragic. This is why I tend to be pretty skeptical with regard to any certainty pushed by laymen (politicians, news reporters, etc.). Half of them don't even understand the basics of the science that they claim is so certain. Real scientists always continue to question. That is nearly the definition of science. It is not a poll. It is not a current belief. It is continuing to question using rigorous methods to test our hypotheses and that extends to science which might be considered to be settled. We often learn through greater scrutiny that what we believed was true is either not or only true for specific conditions.
Bullsh!t, it's turtles, all the way down.
 
My apologies. Interesting topic and I just came across it this morning. Of course, to really speak to a topic like this you would want to look at the actual research and review the data that they collected. I don’t have time for that right now. But while making breakfast I gave it some cursory thought and, in my mind, there are multiple potentially plausible explanations in addition to some unseen dark matter or dark forces to which the celestial bodies respond.

First let’s get to the gravity of the situation or at least how it was best described to me by a friend who is a physics professor. He explains the gravitational force as merely the shortest distance between masses or energy densities in the curvature that they create in the space-time continuum. Within this explanation of gravity is a couple of potentially plausible explanations for the phenomena of celestial bodies moving together as if there were some unseen mass or forces guiding their motion despite the distances between them seeming to be too great with an inverse square drop off in the effect from the force of gravity.

  • Perhaps what influences these galaxies is not dark matter but rather a large system of masses too small for each to individually be detected by current methods but collectively, extremely massive and spread over enough distance that the system of masses has a large gravitational pull that is also extended over greater distances as a result of the masses having a greater spread throughout the space. Think of this explanation as if the galaxies that the researchers were following were shells that catch our eye on a beach, spread pretty far apart, but connected through the many times more prevalent and collectively greater mass, but individually much smaller, granules of sand underlying the shells.

  • Another potentially plausible explanation is that an energy density or a system of energy densities distributed throughout the space are influencing the galaxies. E=mc^2 so mass is really a form of potential energy which can be released in ridiculously small amounts during chemical reactions, in still relatively small amounts during nuclear reactions, but in totality during particle-antiparticle annihilation. So perhaps there is a great enough rate of particle/anti-particle annihilations spread throughout the space between these galaxies to collectively bind their movements.

  • Another potentially plausible explanation is that there is a memory to or lag in the space-time continuum response to mass and energy densities. Galaxies that once were closer together created curvature of space-time and some residual curvature remains over the now greater separation distance between the galaxies.
  • Perhaps the curvature of space-time due to mass and energy densities has a damped wave-like behavior to it that is like ripples on a pond when you toss a stone. The amplitude of the space-time continuum curvature wave is greatest near the mass or energy density and falls at the inverse square of the separation distance rate but the maximum disturbance of the space-time continuum at the mass or energy density creates a minimum disturbance at half of the wavelength and then repeats with successively smaller maxima of the damped wave one wavelength apart thereby allowing the galaxies to interact with one another over a greater distance.

  • The methods and results of the researchers require scrutiny. They can present findings but perhaps their methods completely overlook critical (such as collections of smaller but individually undetectable mass or energy density systems spread over vast distances) or are limited or even subject to systematic error (which can be many times larger than the actual measurements in this particular field).

  • Lastly, I will say that there is so much that we truly don’t know about our world. This is why it always amazes me how certain humans can often be in thinking that we know all of or can control our world. The history of follies associated with our certainty of things particularly in science would be comical if it weren't also often tragic. This is why I tend to be pretty skeptical with regard to any certainty pushed by laymen (politicians, news reporters, etc.). Half of them don't even understand the basics of the science that they claim is so certain. Real scientists always continue to question. That is nearly the definition of science. It is not a poll. It is not a current belief. It is continuing to question using rigorous methods to test our hypotheses and that extends to science which might be considered to be settled. We often learn through greater scrutiny that what we believed was true is either not or only true for specific conditions.

OMG!!!!L An intelligent response. Keep that up and you might get banned .

I must confess I find this all way beyond my capabilities to understand it. It’s like waking up and trying to remember a dream.....I almost get it, and just as I think I do, it slips away like a ghost. And it some strange way that is the attraction. A reminder of how little we know. Like your final paragraph, it is good we be humbled on a regular basis as nothing does that as well as cosmology.

As a science student along side of Fred Flintstone and Barney Rubble I was often taught ‘scientific facts’ with out any disclaimers. Amazing how many times.....a yeast or three later.....we were told that what we were taught wasn’t correct and here’s the new ‘facts’. Only to see those changed yet again. It happened so frequently that my during my final semester I was petrified they would disapprove the atomic theory and I would have to start all over.

What I learned most was that humans have a natural hubris to assume they are correct. That scientists have egos too. Often huge ones. It is always best to take everything with a giant grain of salt, question everything, trust no one. When some one says the science is settled I both laugh and get angry as nothing is further from the truth.
 
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