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The Observer-Reporter article says that Teske is "working to move up a weight but isn't ready yet." No mention of RBY being in the way, but the reporter does say Teske would face competition at his new weight from "Wyoming Seminary's Joe Davis."

The KentWired.com article about the Kent State/Penn State dual describes Jake Ferri's win over "Devi Schnupp" as "the most impressive win of the Flashes' young season."

And pro tip for the young writer of The Underground story: When you've written a lede that is a slogan from a tee shirt, rewrite your lede.
 
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And pro tip for the young writer of The Underground story: When you've written a lede that is a slogan from a tee shirt, rewrite your lede.
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My inner-editor was forced to mentally rewrite every other sentence just so I could discern the author's intent. If I didn't know the subject matter I'd be lost.
 
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My inner-editor was forced to mentally rewrite every other sentence just so I could discern the author's intent. If I didn't know the subject matter I'd be lost.
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Thanks Tom.

Funny that there hasn't been much coverage of Rutgers grapples in NJ.com post Utah Valley. Thought perhaps they'd acknowledge UVs gritty performance. Guess not, lol.
 
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Ja1339 said:
Thanks Tom.

Funny that there hasn't been much coverage of Rutgers grapples in NJ.com post Utah Valley. Thought perhaps they'd acknowledge UVs gritty performance. Guess not, lol.
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.... then you just didn’t look. Nothing else to say.
 
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Banjo, your opinion - tough day for the Van Brills or is UVU just better than people thought?
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Not Banjo, but I think it was a little bit of a tough day for RU and UVU is better than people think. Especially in a dual. They are really solid up top. RU has two really good guys. After that I don't think you have an AA. I know JVB was R12 last year, but he could just as easily be 1-2. Gravina is tough, but coming off a shoulder injury, won't be back until January and I don't see him making the podium. Glasgow has talent, but he's not close right now.

Always a lot of optimism about them among RU fans - which is understandable, given the state of most other RU programs - but right now they are just idling in neutral. They'll have Suriano for another year while losing Ashnault and Gravina, and then after that I guess Glasgow and Aragona will be their bellcows. I don't think their ceilings are Suriano/Ashnault and the rest of what they have and are coming are pretty much "just guys." I think they've reached their peak under Goodale. I know Pritzlaff is a good recruiter, but I don't think he's getting them over the hump by himself.
 
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dicemen99 said:
Not Banjo, but I think it was a little bit of a tough day for RU and UVU is better than people think. Especially in a dual. They are really solid up top. RU has two really good guys. After that I don't think you have an AA. I know JVB was R12 last year, but he could just as easily be 1-2. Gravina is tough, but coming off a shoulder injury, won't be back until January and I don't see him making the podium. Glasgow has talent, but he's not close right now.

Always a lot of optimism about them among RU fans - which is understandable, given the state of most other RU programs - but right now they are just idling in neutral. They'll have Suriano for another year while losing Ashnault and Gravina, and then after that I guess Glasgow and Aragona will be their bellcows. I don't think their ceilings are Suriano/Ashnault and the rest of what they have and are coming are pretty much "just guys." I think they've reached their peak under Goodale. I know Pritzlaff is a good recruiter, but I don't think he's getting them over the hump by himself.
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dicemen99 said:
Not Banjo, but I think it was a little bit of a tough day for RU and UVU is better than people think. Especially in a dual. They are really solid up top. RU has two really good guys. After that I don't think you have an AA. I know JVB was R12 last year, but he could just as easily be 1-2. Gravina is tough, but coming off a shoulder injury, won't be back until January and I don't see him making the podium. Glasgow has talent, but he's not close right now.

Always a lot of optimism about them among RU fans - which is understandable, given the state of most other RU programs - but right now they are just idling in neutral. They'll have Suriano for another year while losing Ashnault and Gravina, and then after that I guess Glasgow and Aragona will be their bellcows. I don't think their ceilings are Suriano/Ashnault and the rest of what they have and are coming are pretty much "just guys." I think they've reached their peak under Goodale. I know Pritzlaff is a good recruiter, but I don't think he's getting them over the hump by himself.
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I think that's pretty spot on. Rutgers is pretty weak from 165-285 at this point. Gravina is a huge ?. This silly shit from Goodale about bringing home a trophy from Pittsburgh is the major reason I can't take the program. He's been talking and not backing it up for at least 5 years - and he responds by doubling down.

If AA doesn't win a NC and Suriano doesn't win a NC, I think Goodale's credibility will be, if it's not already, about zero.

Goodale did have a #1 recruiting class, which to me is a lot better than one #1 recruit at a weight class. And wasn't Suriano #1 in his recruiting weight class and #2 overall coming out of high school?
 
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Ì like Aragona, but is he as good as Suriano and/or Ashnault coming out of HS? Not IMO. As far as #1 in his weight class, well, that's only as good as the weight class. Like I said above Suriano/Ashnault > Glasgow/Aragona
 
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I was talking to a wrestling fan at a store in NJ today and he was saying Glasgow and Mekhi Lewis were about even their senior year of high school and look where they are now. Lewis has taken off and Glasgow is losing to unranked guys.
 
Ja1339 said:
Banjo, your opinion - tough day for the Van Brills or is UVU just better than people thought?
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All of that.

Mike Van Brill is someone we are still waiting to break out of his shell. I don’t know if this is who he is, or he isn’t wrestling how he can. But getting pinned in the last ten seconds of a match at any level is a major “grrrr” moment for every coach For it to happen at this level is disheartening.

John had a John day against UVU. He wrestles to his level of competition a lot. That’s great sometimes but leads to head scratchers.

I don’t mind Johns loss. Historically he has wrestled with an “uptight demeanor”. This season he looks like he thinks he will win. I think he got over confident but after his R12 heartbreaker last year, he could have folded or got focused and I think he will trend upward.

As far as UVU... I think it was just an effort thing. In basketball terms, the best defender is usually the guy who wants to put in the effort to defend. UVU came to wrestle and Rutgers didn’t. Couple that with the fact that they are a solid if not spectacular group of wrestlers and you get the outcome Rutgers did.

My two cents, no refunds :)
 
matter7172 said:
I was talking to a wrestling fan at a store in NJ today and he was saying Glasgow and Mekhi Lewis were about even their senior year of high school and look where they are now. Lewis has taken off and Glasgow is losing to unranked guys.
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Lol I live 5 minutes from bound brook. Mekhi Lewis was light years ahead of Glasgow all throughout high school. There are ways to troll that don’t make you look uninformed. Try those instead.
 
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dicemen99 said:
Not Banjo, but I think it was a little bit of a tough day for RU and UVU is better than people think. Especially in a dual. They are really solid up top. RU has two really good guys. After that I don't think you have an AA. I know JVB was R12 last year, but he could just as easily be 1-2. Gravina is tough, but coming off a shoulder injury, won't be back until January and I don't see him making the podium. Glasgow has talent, but he's not close right now.

Always a lot of optimism about them among RU fans - which is understandable, given the state of most other RU programs - but right now they are just idling in neutral. They'll have Suriano for another year while losing Ashnault and Gravina, and then after that I guess Glasgow and Aragona will be their bellcows. I don't think their ceilings are Suriano/Ashnault and the rest of what they have and are coming are pretty much "just guys." I think they've reached their peak under Goodale. I know Pritzlaff is a good recruiter, but I don't think he's getting them over the hump by himself.
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There is not an elite upper weight guy on the coaching staff. Pritzlaff has the hardware to say “follow my lead”. We need a guy like that at the upper weights too, or else you end up with a lineup that’s lower weight good and upper weight eh.

The issue with Goodale is he built the program. God I wish you guys could have seen what the state of it was before he got there. Outside of wrestlers parents, maybe three people at duals. State champs never considered Rutgers. If they got a region champ or two, it was a good haul.

Coach brought in the money. He learned from Winston (who underperformed) and got two AAs from Anthony Perotti and one from Ken Theobald (never won a state title). He is a good coach and a wonderful program builder. It’s hard to replace him especially when he has been competing with one hand tied behind his back. I mean the current facility isn’t big enough for a full team practice so they split them up by weight classss and do two practices. But the man got NJ wrestling fans excited about college wrestling.

If he isn’t producing after the new facility is built, a change should be considered, but how do you boot a guy out of the house he built without him ever living in it?
 
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BanjoSaysWoof said:
Lol I live 5 minutes from bound brook. Mekhi Lewis was light years ahead of Glasgow all throughout high school. There are ways to troll that don’t make you look uninformed. Try those instead.
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Lewis was 19th and Glasgow was 26th National on Flos 2017 Big board. That’s closer to even than light years
 
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I live a few towns over from Bound Brook and saw Lewis and Glasgow wrestle in high school. I thought Lewis was a better college prospect, but it was close.

That said, Lewis was in a college room last year and wrestling a ton of matches as a red shirt. Glasgow was at a prep school in Newark and was not competing. Lewis was training with the national team and competing abroad.

It might be a few ticks too early to be making judgments about the Rutgers room effect.
 
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BanjoSaysWoof said:
There is not an elite upper weight guy on the coaching staff. Pritzlaff has the hardware to say “follow my lead”. We need a guy like that at the upper weights too, or else you end up with a lineup that’s lower weight good and upper weight eh.

The issue with Goodale is he built the program. God I wish you guys could have seen what the state of it was before he got there. Outside of wrestlers parents, maybe three people at duals. State champs never considered Rutgers. If they got a region champ or two, it was a good haul.

Coach brought in the money. He learned from Winston (who underperformed) and got two AAs from Anthony Perotti and one from Ken Theobald (never won a state title). He is a good coach and a wonderful program builder. It’s hard to replace him especially when he has been competing with one hand tied behind his back. I mean the current facility isn’t big enough for a full team practice so they split them up by weight classss and do two practices. But the man got NJ wrestling fans excited about college wrestling.

If he isn’t producing after the new facility is built, a change should be considered, but how do you boot a guy out of the house he built without him ever living in it?
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I've seen the facilities, I'm RU UC '89. Not much changed from when I was there.

Not saying Goodale should be canned, far from it. Just my opinion that the peak has probably been reached with the current staff. Still far better than when he got there.

The new facilities are on their way and then the ante will be upped. Expectations will not be at the PSU level, but they are going to have to be consistently top 5 B1G to meet them if I had to guess. That's probably going to be harder than it might seem.
 
Good discussion about "the other guy".

How about the Nittany Lions? So much to be thankful and grateful for, especially as we head towards the Thanksgiving Holiday.
-- Great facilities
-- Among the best "fits" for a coaching staff/university/hotbed of wrestling, in the country
-- Same goes for Director of Operations, Administrative Assistance, and Administration support
-- Great fans, overall
-- And best-for-last, the most enjoyable-to-watch wrestling talent in the country, bar none, by a great group of young men
 
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RoarLions1 said:
Good discussion about "the other guy".

How about the Nittany Lions? So much to be thankful and grateful for, especially as we head towards the Thanksgiving Holiday.
-- Great facilities
-- Among the best "fits" for a coaching staff/university/hotbed of wrestling, in the country
-- Same goes for Director of Operations, Administrative Assistance, and Administration support
-- Great fans, overall
-- And best-for-last, the most enjoyable-to-watch wrestling talent in the country, bar none, by a great group of young men
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Yup - love seeing the new talent mesh with the returning hammers as the torch is passed. Everytime I decide I have a “favorite” wrestler, a new one emerges. I’m trending toward RBY right now. Love a kid that can leave a comfort zone behind and effortlessly fit in to the best room in the country. That said, I hope for his sake there’s some good Mexican food close by - that’s hard to give up.
 
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BanjoSaysWoof said:
Lol I live 5 minutes from bound brook. Mekhi Lewis was light years ahead of Glasgow all throughout high school. There are ways to troll that don’t make you look uninformed. Try those instead.
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Next time I see the guy, I'll tell him he was off base. ;)
 
dicemen99 said:
I've seen the facilities, I'm RU UC '89. Not much changed from when I was there.

Not saying Goodale should be canned, far from it. Just my opinion that the peak has probably been reached with the current staff. Still far better than when he got there.

The new facilities are on their way and then the ante will be upped. Expectations will not be at the PSU level, but they are going to have to be consistently top 5 B1G to meet them if I had to guess. That's probably going to be harder than it might seem.
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I interpret “the team has peaked” as “gotta find the person who can take it next level”. And if it’s peaked after the new facility, Goodale would probably retire.

Being a top 5 big team is tough because spots 1-3 are perennially spoken for. Will RU be better than Michigan? I honestly don’t know, but I’d bet against it.

For this RU supporter, the goal for RU wrestling should be to keep NJs best in state, have a 3 AA/yr average, and 1 NC “often” (1 every 3 years?).
 
BanjoSaysWoof said:
I interpret “the team has peaked” as “gotta find the person who can take it next level”. And if it’s peaked after the new facility, Goodale would probably retire.

Being a top 5 big team is tough because spots 1-3 are perennially spoken for. Will RU be better than Michigan? I honestly don’t know, but I’d bet against it.

For this RU supporter, the goal for RU wrestling should be to keep NJs best in state, have a 3 AA/yr average, and 1 NC “often” (1 every 3 years?).
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Looking forward to our eastern rival Rutgres moving from a top 10 program to a top 5 program. ;-)
 
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BanjoSaysWoof said:
I interpret “the team has peaked” as “gotta find the person who can take it next level”. And if it’s peaked after the new facility, Goodale would probably retire.

Being a top 5 big team is tough because spots 1-3 are perennially spoken for. Will RU be better than Michigan? I honestly don’t know, but I’d bet against it.

For this RU supporter, the goal for RU wrestling should be to keep NJs best in state, have a 3 AA/yr average, and 1 NC “often” (1 every 3 years?).
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I think we are operating from the same side of the fence. One difference may be that I'm skeptical that the existing coaching staff can accomplish this after the new facility. But I'm willing to let it play out.
 
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I think we are operating from the same side of the fence. One difference may be that I'm skeptical that the existing coaching staff can accomplish this after the new facility. But I'm willing to let it play out.
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That is wise, imo. The grass-is-always-greener mentality is a killer, where thoughtful change is far more prudent. Applies to all aspects of life.
 
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RoarLions1 said:
Good discussion about "the other guy".

How about the Nittany Lions? So much to be thankful and grateful for, especially as we head towards the Thanksgiving Holiday.
-- Great facilities
-- Among the best "fits" for a coaching staff/university/hotbed of wrestling, in the country
-- Same goes for Director of Operations, Administrative Assistance, and Administration support
-- Great fans, overall
-- And best-for-last, the most enjoyable-to-watch wrestling talent in the country, bar none, by a great group of young men
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I agree with the facilities from what I hear but am interested if they are 'good enough' for now and for the near future. With some other programs building elaborate dedicated buildings, I wonder what you all think of PSUs? I am aware of what seems like consistent improvements, but comes a time a new building is needed? If Flo or someone rated the wrestling facilities, the entire package, would PSU be top 3?
 
The same guy who is uninformed that I spoke to yesterday said he saw the Ohio State facility and from his description it seems quite a step up from the Lorenzo complex. Of course, Banjo says he is uninformed, so take it with a grain of salt. ;)
 
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matter7172 said:
The same guy who is uninformed that I spoke to yesterday said he saw the Ohio State facility and from his description it seems quite a step up from the Lorenzo complex. Of course, Banjo says he is uninformed, so take it with a grain of salt. ;)
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The OSU complex probably is a step or two above the Lorenzo complex, yet all of the gold hardware resides in the Lorenzo complex. Must be something or someone(s) working magic in the Lorenzo complex.
 
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dicemen99 said:
I think we are operating from the same side of the fence. One difference may be that I'm skeptical that the existing coaching staff can accomplish this after the new facility. But I'm willing to let it play out.
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Yep. Goodale has def earned the right. Can he take us to the next level? I really don’t know.

As far as being a top 5 team in the big ten, it’s a fair goal. Is anyone going to say that NJ isn’t the third best wrestling state behind PA and Ohio, or at least in contention for that spot? There is no reason the state school can’t be the 5th best in its own conference.
 
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The OSU complex probably is a step or two above the Lorenzo complex, yet all of the gold hardware resides in the Lorenzo complex. Must be something or someone(s) working magic in the Lorenzo complex.
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That said - we’ll see going forward. Then again, no one has better football facilities than Oregon, but their rise to the near-top is tied more to Chip Kelly than facilities as their post-Kelly record shows.

Wish I had big money - Penn State wrestling would have a palace and I’d have a sit down with Sandy etc to get a woman’s program started
 
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The OSU complex probably is a step or two above the Lorenzo complex, yet all of the gold hardware resides in the Lorenzo complex. Must be something or someone(s) working magic in the Lorenzo complex.
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Most of the bronze resides in the OSU complex.
 
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