As you guys know, I'm not one to say "I told you so" ....

NJPSU

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One question do you live in Pennsylvania? You understand how our mailing system works compared to 2016 and all the years prior? You could keep believing that it's Trump in TDS but you're sadly mistaken, you're even more mistaken if you think DeSantis will have an easy time in 2024 if Trump steps aside.
Our voting system was radically changed after 2016 it was games in 2020, we had 1.8 million votes in the state that were mail in votes that should not have counted according to the rules now. Biden doesn't win the state otherwise. This is what also happened in other states, so you could blame Trump but it's not TDS.
TDS didn't want to associate court to get a warrant, nor did it cause the media to push that false narrative. And don't you think that that deliberate misinformation has something to do with peoples attitudes towards him? And do you think Ron DeSantis will be immune to such tactics?
Remember they did the same thing to Kyle Rittenhouse and Nicholas Sandmann, they straight up lied about him.
But let's say south that DeSantis won't get a similar treatment how are we going to fix Pennsylvania? How are we going to fix Michigan and potentially Arizona? That is a flake does not win, if she wins I'm sure the election laws will be tightened up there. But what about Wisconsin now?
Is it trumps fault that Democrats want to game the system with mail in ballots in ballot harvest? I don't think so.
So explain why my wife and I should even vote in a swing state, I'd like to hear it. And remember I'm a lifelong Republican that has never seen this before you could call TDS but I'm a native Pennsylvanian who is voted in every election that we have since 18. And I've also voted almost strictly Republican because I believe more of their political philosophy and most candidates I believe are superior to the other one. So convince us now why we should bother, I want to hear it based on your experience in the state?
Your whole argument can be summed up like this:

“Mail in ballots are making it too easy for black people to vote. When black people vote my candidate can’t win. “
 

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Ditto.

On a positive note, the RNC has a deep bench if future leaders whereas the DNC has... Gavin Newsom? Florida showed us what is possible with the right approach.
I would put Shapiro on the list of future democratic leaders. I suspect he is eying a run at the White House in 6 years.
Shapiro is a skilled politician, the GOP would be wise not to underestimate him.
 
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It's not about supporting TRUMP, it's about winning elections to further the conservative agenda. Yes, I think Oz never got the traction he needed to win, in large part, because of TRUMP. We had a perfectly good (electable) candidate in the investment guy (McCormack?) who had all the right credentials and could have beat a addled brain Soc/Dem 7 days a week. But, instead TRUMP intervened and his "supporters" went along and we got Oz.. Why? Because Trump wanted his man, someone loyal to him to be the candidate.
And you think he would've won? Realistically? You think ours was the worse candidate than that stroke victim never worked a day in his life? I guarantee you in the old days under the old ways Federman never had a chance. I was his name recognition would've been more than enough.
Oh I don't disagree with that AT ALL.

But at least take some Ex-lax and treat the symptom, ffs.
Explain to me about the workings of my state, and while lifelong Republican should even bother anymore no matter who the candidate is? A person who has seen changes and how we conduct elections in just eight years? And again talk to my wife and explain to her why she should bother convince me?
In the old days they used to ballot harvesting a town nearby my childhood home. We live more in a rural area for what it's worth, but the local town nearby was primarily democratic. I was roommates at college with the son of the county commissioner is a Democrat. He told me literally how they harvested ballots it was illegal. They would request ballots for Sharon's either actually have the Shannon do it, or family member they pay them five to $10 per vote.
Funny thing with inflation and everything they're only getting five or $10 per vote now in Pennsylvania for my understanding, and they're sending in mass mailing ballots. These aren't actual active engage people in politics like you or maybe myself and you're getting to vote out this way by few hundred thousand in the big cities and it's straight Democrat. We saw it with Obama was literally 100% vote tallies from in certain precincts. That is statistically impossible you do not get that many votes.
So now they figure out a way to manufacture as many votes as possible before that they just round people up or possibly vote for them now they don't even have to have them come in that day. I'm referring to Pennsylvania.
Ron DeSantis is an outstanding governor and Florida has a great system on how to vote that's not Pennsylvania.
Democrat governors and secretaries of state are going to prevent solid election security measures in the swing states, you could potentially rent Jesus Christ and God on the ticket well maybe you have to make it like Jesus Christ in Saint Peter or something and in these big city areas of Pennsylvania they're going to vote for whatever Democrat candidate they put forth.
 
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It does not matter who runs in the primaries because I have never seen an election in my life were Pennsylvania votes decided who the candidate for the November election will be. Trumper I'm solo he wins he runs against DeSantis one of them win no matter what I think it won't matter, I actually favor Ted Cruz And decided I would vote for him over Trump even though Trump had a nomination secure he was my initial choice and I stuck with it.
 
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Trump did endorse two shitty candidates for Senate. Dr. Oz is the stereotypical rich republican. He stood no chance - even against an obese moron who never held a real job, and mooched off his parents. I thought Walker would fare better just based on fame, but clearly, he isn't bright. I pin in it more on the candidates than Trump. BTW, I called that the GOP would not take the Senate.

As James Franklin one said, "the plays work better with better players."

The good news is that DeSantis has game, and FL runs like a well oiled machine.

And you think he would've won? Realistically? You think ours was the worse candidate than that stroke victim never worked a day in his life? I guarantee you in the old days under the old ways Federman never had a chance. I was his name recognition would've been more than enough.

Explain to me about the workings of my state, and while lifelong Republican should even bother anymore no matter who the candidate is? A person who has seen changes and how we conduct elections in just eight years? And again talk to my wife and explain to her why she should bother convince me?
In the old days they used to ballot harvesting a town nearby my childhood home. We live more in a rural area for what it's worth, but the local town nearby was primarily democratic. I was roommates at college with the son of the county commissioner is a Democrat. He told me literally how they harvested ballots it was illegal. They would request ballots for Sharon's either actually have the Shannon do it, or family member they pay them five to $10 per vote.
Funny thing with inflation and everything they're only getting five or $10 per vote now in Pennsylvania for my understanding, and they're sending in mass mailing ballots. These aren't actual active engage people in politics like you or maybe myself and you're getting to vote out this way by few hundred thousand in the big cities and it's straight Democrat. We saw it with Obama was literally 100% vote tallies from in certain precincts. That is statistically impossible you do not get that many votes.
So now they figure out a way to manufacture as many votes as possible before that they just round people up or possibly vote for them now they don't even have to have them come in that day. I'm referring to Pennsylvania.
Ron DeSantis is an outstanding governor and Florida has a great system on how to vote that's not Pennsylvania.
Democrat governors and secretaries of state are going to prevent solid election security measures in the swing states, you could potentially rent Jesus Christ and God on the ticket well maybe you have to make it like Jesus Christ in Saint Peter or something and in these big city areas of Pennsylvania they're going to vote for whatever Democrat candidate they put forth.

It's shocking to me that people don't see what is happening with ballot harvesting.

The numbers show how mail in ballots differ from votes in so many precincts.

It isn't because democrats can't walk or vote.
 

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It does not matter who runs in the primaries because I have never seen an election in my life were Pennsylvania votes decided who the candidate for the November election will be. Trumper I'm solo he wins he runs against DeSantis one of them win no matter what I think it won't matter, I actually favor Ted Cruz And decided I would vote for him over Trump even though Trump had a nomination secure he was my initial choice and I stuck with it.
Whoever wins the nomination will be the candidate before Pa. holds it's primary.
 

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It's shocking to me that people don't see what is happening with ballot harvesting.

The numbers show how mail in ballots differ from votes in so many precincts.

It isn't because democrats can't walk or vote.
Let the fan boys have their hero for a while, it's just like NASCAR here. All they have to do is ballot harvesting certain states and then blame Trump.
Not to wish that on anyone but for some reason Trump was tragically killed some kind of accident or died of a heart attack you see calling praise about what a warrior he was, hell yeah he was rough around the edges but he wasn't a bad guy you'll see that.
And then it starts again on DeSantis.
 
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LOL.... They are having this same discussion on FBN. Stuart Varney is taking Fish's position (it's Trump) while Charles Payne is taking mine (weak candidates - in the case of Oz, cited same reasoning as me).

Varney put Payne on the spot. Who's party is it? Payne answered DeSantis. I agree.
 
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No. Fetterman voters didn't actively vote against Oz because Trump endorsed him.

1. Moderate voters who were probably prepared to pinch their noses and vote for Oz were turned off and/or de-energized by the sight of Trump endorsing him.
2. (more impactfully) The left became more energized to vote for Fetterman as a result of Trump's endorsement of Oz.

Have you guys ever heard of something called Trump Derangement Syndrome? TDS?

It's not rational, but nothing -- and I mean absolutely literally NOTHING -- motivates the left to vote more than hearing Trump's name associated with a candidate they can vote against.

I thought you guys knew this.

But either way, the fact that Fetterman didn't drop to about 25% in the polls after that debate should have clued you in.
I think Trump conservatives also thought Oz was a RINO, and did not support him. A view I hold based upon people I have talked to.

I agree he might not have been the best candidate the Republicans put forward, but in my mind he is way better than Fetterman.
 
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Your whole argument can be summed up like this:

“Mail in ballots are making it too easy for black people to vote. When black people vote my candidate can’t win. “

LOL... have to resort to racism. What a loser.

I think the argument centers around the concept of illegal ballots, but you are too immature to realize that.
 

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So explain why my wife and I should even vote in a swing state, I'd like to hear it. And remember I'm a lifelong Republican that has never seen this before you could call TDS but I'm a native Pennsylvanian who is voted in every election that we have since 18. And I've also voted almost strictly Republican because I believe more of their political philosophy and most candidates I believe are superior to the other one. So convince us now why we should bother, I want to hear it based on your experience in the state?

Are you serious with this!? You just listed a bunch of dishonest stuff that Democrats had to do (and I agree with you on it) in order to squeak out victories.

You vote because after all the dishonest shenanigans, the margin is still razor thin, and your vote might be the one to make the difference.

And when the margin is so razor thin, things like not motivating the Democrats to go vote for their UN-inspiring candidate makes a huge difference. Nominating a decent candidate yourselves wouldn't hurt either. I get that the Democrats running PA stacked the deck against you, but if you don't vote, then there's literally zero chance to get back in there and fix the deck stacking.

You want to know who ACTUALLY now has no reason to vote? ME! The f*cking brain-dead shitheads from California understandably fled their shit-show California government and came to Colorado, but are continuing to vote like the brain-dead shitheads they are!

We're now at the point here in Colorado where Democrats can run an empty shit-brown JC Penny sport coat with elbow pads, and it would beat Barack Obama with an (R) after his name.

Blind party allegiance over everything else.

Politically, we are now a just another county in California.

FML
 
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I think Trump conservatives also thought Oz was a RINO, and did not support him. A view I hold based upon people I have talked to.

I agree he might not have been the best candidate the Republicans put forward, but in my mind he is way better than Fetterman.
So they would rather see an avowed pinko uber-socialist like Fetterman win than support a RINO put forth by their hero, Trump? I can't even start to unravel that one, but I suggest you move to a smarter group of people you talk to. j/k
 
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It's shocking to me that people don't see what is happening with ballot harvesting.

The numbers show how mail in ballots differ from votes in so many precincts.

It isn't because democrats can't walk or vote.
Let the fan boys have their hero for a while, it's just like NASCAR here. All they have to do is ballot harvesting certain states and then blame Trump.
Not to wish that on anyone but for some reason Trump was tragically killed some kind of accident or died of a heart attack you see calling praise about what a warrior he was, hell yeah he was rough around the edges but he wasn't a bad guy you'll see that.
And then it starts again on DeSantis.
Are you serious with this!? You just listed a bunch of dishonest stuff that Democrats had to do (and I agree with you on it) in order to squeak out victories.

You vote because after all the dishonest shenanigans, the margin is still razor thin, and your vote might be the one to make the difference.

And when the margin is so razor thin, things like not motivating the Democrats to go vote for their UN-inspiring candidate makes a huge difference. Nominating a decent candidate yourselves wouldn't hurt either. I get that the Democrats running PA stacked the deck against you, but if you don't vote, then there's literally zero chance to get back in there and fix the deck stacking.

You want to know who ACTUALLY now has no reason to vote? ME! The f*cking brain-dead shitheads from California understandably fled their shit-show California government and came to Colorado, but are continuing to vote like the brain-dead shitheads they are!

We're now at the point here in Colorado where Democrats can run an empty shit-brown JC Penny sport coat with elbow pads, and it would beat Barack Obama with an (R) after his name.

Blind party allegiance over everything else.

Politically, we are now a just another county in California.

FML
I'm a serious as a heart attack, they will do it again. Again Joe Biden had 1.8 million votes that would not be counted this year due to this nonsense, do you think they will stop?
Don't you think they have their own internals and they put out to all the harvesters on how many votes they need to get over the top? Again do you live in the state and have you seen the election changes personally and up close?
 

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It's shocking to me that people don't see what is happening with ballot harvesting.

The numbers show how mail in ballots differ from votes in so many precincts.

It isn't because democrats can't walk or vote.
Let the fan boys have their hero for a while, it's just like NASCAR here. All they have to do is ballot harvesting certain states and then blame Trump.
Not to wish that on anyone but for some reason Trump was tragically killed some kind of accident or died of a heart attack you see calling praise about what a warrior he was, hell yeah he was rough around the edges but he wasn't a bad guy you'll see that.
And then it starts again on DeSantis.
Are you serious with this!? You just listed a bunch of dishonest stuff that Democrats had to do (and I agree with you on it) in order to squeak out victories.

You vote because after all the dishonest shenanigans, the margin is still razor thin, and your vote might be the one to make the difference.

And when the margin is so razor thin, things like not motivating the Democrats to go vote for their UN-inspiring candidate makes a huge difference. Nominating a decent candidate yourselves wouldn't hurt either. I get that the Democrats running PA stacked the deck against you, but if you don't vote, then there's literally zero chance to get back in there and fix the deck stacking.

You want to know who ACTUALLY now has no reason to vote? ME! The f*cking brain-dead shitheads from California understandably fled their shit-show California government and came to Colorado, but are continuing to vote like the brain-dead shitheads they are!

We're now at the point here in Colorado where Democrats can run an empty shit-brown JC Penny sport coat with elbow pads, and it would beat Barack Obama with an (R) after his name.

Blind party allegiance over everything else.

Politically, we are now a just another county in California.

FML
I'm a serious as a heart attack, they will do it again. Again Joe Biden had 1.8 million votes that would not be counted this year due to this nonsense, do you think they will stop?
Don't you think they have their own internals and they put out to all the harvesters on how many votes they need to get over the top? Again do you live in the state and have you seen the election changes personally and up close?
So they would rather see an avowed pinko uber-socialist like Fetterman win than support a RINO put forth by their hero, Trump? I can't even start to unravel that one, but I suggest you move to a smarter group of people you talk to. j/k
again, they harvested the ballots. Due to internal polling they knew how many votes they needed to fabricate with mailings and they got it done the big cities. In 2016 the way we voted the big city votes are in about a certain time, and you could pretty well predict how things are going after that do the exit polling and due to the way the returns are coming in. At a certain point when I saw Trump drawn close I knew who won the election not just the state of Pennsylvania.
They've done away with that now. They could hold a certain amount and reserve and win a close one because just winning by a few votes is more than enough, making a large enough margin so there isn't any recount and bingo you're in.
 

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Oz was trumps pick. He got it wrong. Gen z thought he was a scam artist. I voted against Oz in the primary.
Simple analysis: If Georgia and Pennsylvania Repubs nominate a Republican congressman or straight up business person to run instead of Walker and OZ the race for the Senate is over. At some point there has to be a realization that Trump is a loser. He lost the House and Senate while in office, he totally gummed up the Georgia run off elections in 2021 and he ruined the chance to easily carry PA and GA now with low quality candidates. And to add insult to injury, he will announce for the presidency in a few days and will split the GOP in two. Good luck.
 

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It does not matter who runs in the primaries because I have never seen an election in my life were Pennsylvania votes decided who the candidate for the November election will be. Trumper I'm solo he wins he runs against DeSantis one of them win no matter what I think it won't matter, I actually favor Ted Cruz And decided I would vote for him over Trump even though Trump had a nomination secure he was my initial choice and I stuck with it.
Has it dawned on you that maybe there’s simply more Democrats in Pennsylvania than Republicans? Nah that couldn’t be it.

It doesn’t help your side that you have your cult members leaving Pennsylvania and gathering like a moth to a flame in the white trash capital of the country …Florida.
 

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All this talk that the democrats won because of cheating is BS. The election turned out pretty much how the polls said it would.
Just like Trump n 2020, all the independent national polls showed Trump losing, even Trump's own internal polls and the GOP polls showed Trump losing but somehow he lost because of cheating.
Oz lost because of abortion and he was in bed with Trump. The personal narratives or qualifications of the two candidates were trumped (pun intended) by these two issues.
 

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Trump doesn't have the influence he has without his diehard supporters in his pocket. They enable him. If you want to rid the party of Trump, then, I would submit. you have to root out his source of power. If they can't figure out the destructiveness of their hero by now, they are beyond hope. For everyone of them who leaves the party because Trump is attacked, there are a couple of "independents" in the middle of the political spectrum who will support a Republican candidate ( once Trump is gone). Just my opinion.....

I hear you, Dzap, but the problem is that he has millions of what might be called "diehard supporters." There is no math that gets a Republican candidate to victory without those people (or most of them at least) on board.

Moreover, maybe I'm naive, but I think most of his diehard supporters are persuadable. In fact, there are some right here on this board, and they are good people who agree with us on most of the issues. The objective is not to alienate them but to make a respectful case that the choice is between the past of Trump and the future of America.

If in the end, they stick with Trump as he blows up the Republican Party, then yeah, I'll be more than a little put out with them.
 
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I hear you, Dzap, but the problem is that he has millions of what might be called "diehard supporters." There is no math that gets a Republican candidate to victory without those people (or most of them at least) on board.

Moreover, maybe I'm naive, but I think most of his diehard supporters are persuadable. In fact, there are some right here on this board, and they are good people who agree with us on most of the issues.
The objective is not to alienate them but to make a respectful case that the choice is between the past of Trump and the future of America.

If in the end, they stick with Trump as he blows up the Republican Party, then yeah, I'll be more than a little put out with them.
I would gladly vote for Ron DeSantis in a heartbeat, I have no problem with him at all. What some of these fanboys don't realize here if we are arguments Pennsylvania phone or it doesn't matter. I can't recall in anytime in my voting history since 1981 Pennsylvania help decide the nominee. It was already decided by then.
And our election day issues will not subside, if you think Hillary and the Democrats will not be mailing out mail in ballots by the score you are insane. And by the score I mean millions the fraud will be right up out in front because they won't be able to stop it in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and possibly Arizona Georgia might be close then yet. But your demographics are changing.
Either Trump or DeSantis would when easily without those issues. How often have we seen a margin of victory by his in any stage? Obviously he did a fantastic job and he deserves to be voted it again, however she won the first time by price for 10,000 votes.
While his outstanding track record cornered him a lot of support I guarantee they would've tried to steal it if there is a mail in ballot process that Pennsylvania house. And they might be successful.
 

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Are you serious with this!? You just listed a bunch of dishonest stuff that Democrats had to do (and I agree with you on it) in order to squeak out victories.

You vote because after all the dishonest shenanigans, the margin is still razor thin, and your vote might be the one to make the difference.

And when the margin is so razor thin, things like not motivating the Democrats to go vote for their UN-inspiring candidate makes a huge difference. Nominating a decent candidate yourselves wouldn't hurt either. I get that the Democrats running PA stacked the deck against you, but if you don't vote, then there's literally zero chance to get back in there and fix the deck stacking.

You want to know who ACTUALLY now has no reason to vote? ME! The f*cking brain-dead shitheads from California understandably fled their shit-show California government and came to Colorado, but are continuing to vote like the brain-dead shitheads they are!

We're now at the point here in Colorado where Democrats can run an empty shit-brown JC Penny sport coat with elbow pads, and it would beat Barack Obama with an (R) after his name.

Blind party allegiance over everything else.

Politically, we are now a just another county in California.

FML
Checking in from the Republik of Kalifornia here, yes I did my duty, voted and then watched everyone I voted for lose 65-35 at best......Today 10s of thousands of people will be getting laid off by their high tech employers (literally true) and full force of how bad the economy is going to get is about to come to light. It won't matter here, we are a one party state,

And yes, California does allow ballot harvesting, am not sure how much that matters anymore.....

I need to go check my email now, hopefully the architect for my house in Texas will have the updated plans!
 

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Checking in from the Republik of Kalifornia here, yes I did my duty, voted and then watched everyone I voted for lose 65-35 at best......Today 10s of thousands of people will be getting laid off by their high tech employers (literally true) and full force of how bad the economy is going to get is about to come to light. It won't matter here, we are a one party state,

And yes, California does allow ballot harvesting, am not sure how much that matters anymore.....

I need to go check my email now, hopefully the architect for my house in Texas will have the updated plans!
, I wish I could move. But for family and other reasons not all of us can do it.
 

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I would gladly vote for Ron DeSantis in a heartbeat, I have no problem with him at all. What some of these fanboys don't realize here if we are arguments Pennsylvania phone or it doesn't matter. I can't recall in anytime in my voting history since 1981 Pennsylvania help decide the nominee. It was already decided by then.
And our election day issues will not subside, if you think Hillary and the Democrats will not be mailing out mail in ballots by the score you are insane. And by the score I mean millions the fraud will be right up out in front because they won't be able to stop it in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and possibly Arizona Georgia might be close then yet. But your demographics are changing.
Either Trump or DeSantis would when easily without those issues. How often have we seen a margin of victory by his in any stage? Obviously he did a fantastic job and he deserves to be voted it again, however she won the first time by price for 10,000 votes.
While his outstanding track record cornered him a lot of support I guarantee they would've tried to steal it if there is a mail in ballot process that Pennsylvania house. And they might be successful.

Bourbon, nobody is more cynical about this process than I, but all that stuff was baked into the cake. We all knew what we'd be dealing with.

Yesterday you urged me not to "quit," which of course I have no intention of doing...nor should you...regardless of the game Dem-Media is playing.

At the end of the day, the question comes down to this: are the Good Guys better off with DeSantis at the top of the ticket, Trump doing his honest best to support DeSantis's candidacy, and the next presidential election being about the future of America; or Trump at the top of the ticket with the campaign transformed into a familiar never-ending soap opera starring Trump.

We know Dem-Media's answer to that question. We know Trump's answer to that question. But it's the answer you and I...and millions like us...give that will decide the future of this country.
 

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Ditto.

On a positive note, the RNC has a deep bench of future leaders whereas the DNC has... Gavin Newsom? Florida showed us what is possible with the right approach.
Yep....looks like the GOP will control the house, which is huge. Along with Manchin and Siena killing initiatives in the Senate we may be able to survive the next two years. I have no idea how the dems can run Biden but, hell, they just voted for a guy who is mentally impaired to be a senator. So who knows?
 

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Yep....looks like the GOP will control the house, which is huge. Along with Manchin and Siena killing initiatives in the Senate we may be able to survive the next two years. I have no idea how the dems can run Biden but, hell, they just voted for a guy who is mentally impaired to be a senator. So who knows?
..and you chose a mentally challenged lunatic insurrectionist with narcissistic rage to be champion of your party. You got destroyed. I'll take the slow older guy for next two years.
 

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Yep....looks like the GOP will control the house, which is huge. Along with Manchin and Siena killing initiatives in the Senate we may be able to survive the next two years. I have no idea how the dems can run Biden but, hell, they just voted for a guy who is mentally impaired to be a senator. So who knows?

A thin margin in the House won't prevent the Dem-lite RINOs from selling out and allowing the Dems to get most of what they want anyway. As a nation, we are f$%ked. The non-taxpaying population exceeds the taxpaying population, and they will vote for free sh!t until the economy is completely destroyed. Then they will vote for Socialist totalitarianism to "fix things". If the current state of the nation isn't enough to drive people to throw out the idiots in power, then either massive cheating is going on or we are too far gone as a nation to save ourselves. It does not appear to be fixable.
 

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Do you realize you sound like a child? Rather than admit you lost you are blaming the refs, I’m embarrassed for you. (Although it is fun to watch)
And you act like a child especially the last 6 weeks. Why don't you just stay away for good. Your BS wasn't missed.
 

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Do you realize you sound like a child? Rather than admit you lost you are blaming the refs, I’m embarrassed for you. (Although it is fun to watch)
And you act like a child especially the last 6 weeks. Why don't you just stay away for good. Your BS wasn't missed.
 

Fac

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Do you realize you sound like a child? Rather than admit you lost you are blaming the refs, I’m embarrassed for you. (Although it is fun to watch)
And you act like a child especially the last 6 weeks. Why don't you just stay away for good. Your BS wasn't missed.
 

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Do you realize you sound like a child? Rather than admit you lost you are blaming the refs, I’m embarrassed for you. (Although it is fun to watch)
And you act like a child especially the last 6 weeks. Why don't you just stay away for good. Your BS wasn't missed.
 

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..and you chose a mentally challenged lunatic insurrectionist with narcissistic rage to be champion of your party. You got destroyed. I'll take the slow older guy for next two years.
OK, on your side, you supported seven months of rioting. In fact, if not for the secret service, there would have been people in the white house. As you know, the Trump family was taken to a safe house. Also note that your party falsely accused the Trump family and admin of working with the Russians, so much so, that they fired agents for lying to get a wiretap (FISA warrant).

Now let's get emotion out of the equation. Under Trump, we had the best economy the nation has ever experienced. Today, we have record inflation, fuel shortages, a recession and ongoing supply chain problems. Not only that, we are on the edge of nuclear war.

My recommendation is to stop being an emotional teenage girl and start thinking about what is best for the nation.
 

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What is missing from this conversation is that Trump is starring right down the barrel of several criminal indictments. They constitute an existential threat to his long term wealth and freedom. The only way he stays out of prison is if he wins the nomination and wins the Whitehouse in 2024.

In short, the GOP/Conservative movement is stuck with him. You can kick him out but he will simply run as a third party candidate…because his life depends on it.

You got into bed with that evil grifter and now you will suffer the consequences. He will single-handedly destroy the GOP, the same as he has destroyed every other business he has been involved with.
 
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Are you serious with this!? You just listed a bunch of dishonest stuff that Democrats had to do (and I agree with you on it) in order to squeak out victories.

You vote because after all the dishonest shenanigans, the margin is still razor thin, and your vote might be the one to make the difference.

And when the margin is so razor thin, things like not motivating the Democrats to go vote for their UN-inspiring candidate makes a huge difference. Nominating a decent candidate yourselves wouldn't hurt either. I get that the Democrats running PA stacked the deck against you, but if you don't vote, then there's literally zero chance to get back in there and fix the deck stacking.

You want to know who ACTUALLY now has no reason to vote? ME! The f*cking brain-dead shitheads from California understandably fled their shit-show California government and came to Colorado, but are continuing to vote like the brain-dead shitheads they are!

We're now at the point here in Colorado where Democrats can run an empty shit-brown JC Penny sport coat with elbow pads, and it would beat Barack Obama with an (R) after his name.

Blind party allegiance over everything else.

Politically, we are now a just another county in California.

FML
You don't realize that you are refuting your own argument. You think it is the movement of Californians to CO, but it is primarily mail-in voting that has turned CO blue. Both CO's election races and their ballot initiatives are obviously being impacted by mail-in "voting". Paper ballots in CO would make election results and ballot initiatives look much different than they did yesterday.
 
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junior1

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It's shocking to me that people don't see what is happening with ballot harvesting.

The numbers show how mail in ballots differ from votes in so many precincts.

It isn't because democrats can't walk or vote.
what's good for one is good for all. The republicans should be out right now setting up their own ballot harvesting program in georgia
 

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You're going to lose a lot of working class voters , everywhere. Tell me why I should vote for anyone in 2024. Pa. Voted for Fetterman, explain how these people vote for Desantis?
Of course if Trump runs they can blame him but if elections aren't secured it doesn't matter . Not all states are Florida .
And how was Trump bad policy wise bs Biden who I knew was cognitively compromised?
It doesn't matter, in two years you can explain to me why my vote will make a difference. Maybe you will make a good case.
I agree however I don't see anyone winning Pennsylvania. How old does Hochul beat Zeldin and by that much?
You're going to have to do a lot of convincing to get someone like my wife to vote again or myself because in Pennsylvania I don't see it matter. I'm glad fish in a probably permanent blue state has seen the light will vote for DeSantis, but why should I bother when I don't think it will matter?
2 points here: I love DeSantis and still think he’s the right choice in 2024, but I think people are overestimating how he would do in the rust belt. Florida is not everywhere.

I keep trying to tell my friends from out of state, how hard it is for a Republican president to win an election in Pennsylvania and Michigan. Trump was an anomaly the one year because people hated Hillary, but it will be hard to win elections without those states, and it’s really really hard to win those states.

Talked to my dad in PA today and he said this is the last election he will vote in. If the state could clearly vote for a president w dementia and a senator who can’t finish a sentence, he just doesn’t think his vote matters in the state:
 
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bourbon n blues

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2 points here: I love DeSantis and still think he’s the right choice in 2024, but I think people are overestimating how he would do in the rust belt. Florida is not everywhere.

I keep trying to tell my friends from out of state, how hard it is for a Republican president to win an election in Pennsylvania and Michigan. Trump was an anomaly the one year because people hated Hillary, but it will be hard to win elections without those states, and it’s really really hard to win those states.
Exactly, I can't get Fish to grasp we have different rules here for example .
 

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2 points here: I love DeSantis and still think he’s the right choice in 2024, but I think people are overestimating how he would do in the rust belt. Florida is not everywhere.

I keep trying to tell my friends from out of state, how hard it is for a Republican president to win an election in Pennsylvania and Michigan. Trump was an anomaly the one year because people hated Hillary, but it will be hard to win elections without those states, and it’s really really hard to win those states.
Yeah. The people in Michigan are , by all accounts, even dumber (and more corrupt) than those in PA
 

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2 points here: I love DeSantis and still think he’s the right choice in 2024, but I think people are overestimating how he would do in the rust belt. Florida is not everywhere.

I keep trying to tell my friends from out of state, how hard it is for a Republican president to win an election in Pennsylvania and Michigan. Trump was an anomaly the one year because people hated Hillary, but it will be hard to win elections without those states, and it’s really really hard to win those states.

Talked to my dad in PA today and he said this is the last election he will vote in. If the state could clearly vote for a president w dementia and a senator who can’t finish a sentence, he just doesn’t think his vote matters in the state:
I love Desantis too and if I had to pick I would pick him. In Pa. we don't get to decide normally. Our primary is too late in the year.