B1G Hoops Coaches confirm

[UncleLar]

being the Penn State basketball head coach is the worst job in the conference.

https://watchstadium.com/news/big-t...k-the-best-jobs-in-the-conference-10-11-2018/

 

[NittPicker]

So were #1 then? Alright!!!

 

[mjh218]

Kind of feel like Indiana being ranked 1 is based on days of the past. MSU seems to be a much better job to me

 

[CF LION]

Are the facilities (ranked 13th) really that far below the rest of the conference?

 

[Art]

A couple of those “categories”, I know nearly nothing about, and couldn’t venture a guess at “ranking”.

The couple that I DO know a lot about...... those rankings are absolute garbage.
So that kinda’ tells you what the whole exercise is worth
(Hint: Nothing)

Well, the admissions requirements as they pertain to basketball players are almost certainly a crock, with the exception of Northwestern. If it's a typical Jeff Goodman piece, he talked to three people for a grand total of 90 seconds and then went back to bed.

 

[lionroar88]

Are the facilities (ranked 13th) really that far below the rest of the conference?

Yes. The BJC is a joke of a venue (Peterson Event Center is far superior to The BJC). It was built to placate PSU, nothing more.

 

[Art]

Yes. The BJC is a joke of a venue (Peterson Event Center is far superior to The BJC). It was built to placate PSU, nothing more.

"Placate PSU?" What does that mean? My understanding is that the state, as a condition of financing the construction, required a multi-purpose facility.

 

[lionroar88]

"Placate PSU?" What does that mean? My understanding is that the state, as a condition of financing the construction, required a multi-purpose facility.

The State did not want to build The BJC, so to "Placate PSU" with a new facility they required a multi-purpose facility. It was a dumb move on both The University (to accept the demand) and The State (for making the demand).

 

[Art]

The State did not want to build The BJC, so to "Placate PSU" with a new facility they required a multi-purpose facility. It was a dumb move on both The University (to accept the demand) and The State (for making the demand).

The state had to "placate" PSU in order for the state to give PSU money? Kind of odd logic by my reckoning.

 

[CF LION]

Yes. The BJC is a joke of a venue (Peterson Event Center is far superior to The BJC). It was built to placate PSU, nothing more.

I know the BJC is cavernous on gameday and the atmosphere is really bland, but by "facilities" I was thinking the practice areas, coaches offices, locker rooms, medical/training facilities, etc. When you consider all of those facilities, is PSU that far below the rest of the conference?

 

[Raffycorn]

I know the BJC is cavernous on gameday and the atmosphere is really bland, but by "facilities" I was thinking the practice areas, coaches offices, locker rooms, medical/training facilities, etc. When you consider all of those facilities, is PSU that far below the rest of the conference?

They’re a little better than they were when Chambers got here - when Chambers was hired they were easily among the worst support facilities in major college basketball - but I would be surprised if there are many, if any, schools in the conference that are less equipped.

 

[psuro]

So, nowhere to go but up? Nice. We got that going for us. Meh - at least we got some sort of championship last year. Better than nuthin'

 

[JR4PSU]

being the Penn State basketball head coach is the worst job in the conference.

https://watchstadium.com/news/big-t...k-the-best-jobs-in-the-conference-10-11-2018/

Damn!! Even Rutgers beats us. That's just sad, man. Sad!!

 

[bison13]

Are the facilities (ranked 13th) really that far below the rest of the conference?

Yes they are bad. To us old timers they appear shiny and nice but as Mr Bresee informed me, Penn States football facility is nothing compared to Georgia. To get kids you need to keep up with specialized training and facilities

 

[bison13]

Uh...……

I know its a basketball post but Bresee is the #1 player in 2020 and every school recruiting him points out that their facilities are better, from dorm rooms to training tubs. Franklin and Chambers aren't lyiing when saying they need to upgrade

 

[bdgan]

being the Penn State basketball head coach is the worst job in the conference.

https://watchstadium.com/news/big-t...k-the-best-jobs-in-the-conference-10-11-2018/

What's the takeaway? We can't do much about history/tradition and the game atmosphere won't improve until we start winning. So let's focus on budget/facilities. What would change by spending more money? Would we get better coaches? Perhaps some improvements to the locker rooms but they're already first class except for size. Maybe a better players lounge. I can't imagime we're missing equipment.

 

[Raffycorn]

What's the takeaway? We can't do much about history/tradition and the game atmosphere won't improve until we start winning. So let's focus on budget/facilities. What would change by spending more money? Would we get better coaches? Perhaps some improvements to the locker rooms but they're already first class except for size. Maybe a better players lounge. I can't imagime we're missing equipment.

We didn’t even have dedicated video facilities or a training table until two or three years ago. It’s really pretty remarkable how behind we were in terms of those kinds of support facilities.

 

[NC2017]

Despite the obvious limitations, Chambers won 26 games last year, and has some talent coming in. He & the program are about as good as we should expect.

 

[bdgan]

We didn’t even have dedicated video facilities or a training table until two or three years ago. It’s really pretty remarkable how behind we were in terms of those kinds of support facilities.

I was in there about a dozen years ago. I recall a video room with about 15 padded (I assume leather and reclining) chairs. It wasn't a big room but it existed. By a training table do you mean to get physical therapy? I really don't recall but I do recall a whirlpool tub.

My recollection is that everything was first class, especially the lockers. The only negative was that the areas didn't seem very big. There are only 14 players but these are big kids. It seems to me that upgrading an area is very inexpensive unless they don't have the space. Maybe that's the problem.

 

[Ranger Dan]

Kind of feel like Indiana being ranked 1 is based on days of the past. MSU seems to be a much better job to me

Not better program today, but better job. Indiana cares more about basketball than any other sport. MSU has great history but wants to be a football school.

 

[diontechristmas]

This is not a new conclusion, but the real issue is that PSU basketball is 3rd in line as far as winter sports go around these parts. With the tremendous success of PSU wrestling, and the new and exciting hockey team and arena, it’s hard for basketball to compete for fans in the seats and community support.

There may be 20 schools in the country where wrestling and or hockey are more popular than basketball, and PSU is certainly the only once where both apply.

 

[Bob_Anderson]

I was in there about a dozen years ago. I recall a video room with about 15 padded (I assume leather and reclining) chairs. It wasn't a big room but it existed. By a training table do you mean to get physical therapy? I really don't recall but I do recall a whirlpool tub.

My recollection is that everything was first class, especially the lockers. The only negative was that the areas didn't seem very big. There are only 14 players but these are big kids. It seems to me that upgrading an area is very inexpensive unless they don't have the space. Maybe that's the problem.

that's a dozen years ago. The facilities are a joke compared to our "peers". The basketball team was forced to practice in the IM building for a week because the university rented out the Jordan Center to Bon Jovi. They practiced on volleyball courts.

 

[Art]

Yes they are bad. To us old timers they appear shiny and nice but as Mr Bresee informed me, Penn States football facility is nothing compared to Georgia. To get kids you need to keep up with specialized training and facilities

Compare the number of sports for which Penn State fields (money losing) teams to Georgia. And where do you think the money for those teams comes from? Hint: it's the same team that isn't getting that money that it brings in.

 

[bdgan]

that's a dozen years ago. The facilities are a joke compared to our "peers". The basketball team was forced to practice in the IM building for a week because the university rented out the Jordan Center to Bon Jovi. They practiced on volleyball courts.

How would a better training area have changed the Bon Jovi situation?

 

[Raffycorn]

How would a better training area have changed the Bon Jovi situation?

A dedicated training facility owned and operated by ICA would have, in theory, not have been rented out to Bon Jovi. Though, given the level of thought and care put towards the basketball program during Curley’s tenure, I guess anything would have been possible.

 

[bdgan]

A dedicated training facility owned and operated by ICA would have, in theory, not have been rented out to Bon Jovi. Though, given the level of thought and care put towards the basketball program during Curley’s tenure, I guess anything would have been possible.

Don't other B1G arenas have concerts? Do they have separate concert venues? Are their practice facilities located in completely separate buildings?

Serious questions, I don't know. I seriously doubt that being forced to hold one or two practices per year at a separate location (or earlier in the day) is what's holding our basketball program down. I can certainly imagine that recruits are attracted to fancy lounge areas.

 

[UncleLar]

We didn’t even have dedicated video facilities or a training table until two or three years ago. It’s really pretty remarkable how behind we were in terms of those kinds of support facilities.

That's not at all accurate. Chambers has upgraded them but they've existed for ages.

 

[UncleLar]

By a training table do you mean to get physical therapy?.

"Training table" means food service.

 

[bdgan]

"Training table" means food service.

Does that mean a nutrition bar with healthy beverages and snacks or does that mean a whole separate cafeteria?

I saw this about the football team
https://www.btn2go.com/video/sports-lite-with-mike-hall-touring-penn-states-nutrition-bar

I saw this about Florida State but it acts like it applies to all sports. It looks like it's a common area, not one for each sport.

 

[Crusher1950]

Get rid of the problem, administrators don’t care about basketball and than get the he’ll out of the big ten

 

[paulrandythomas]

What's the takeaway? We can't do much about history/tradition and the game atmosphere won't improve until we start winning. So let's focus on budget/facilities. What would change by spending more money? Would we get better coaches? Perhaps some improvements to the locker rooms but they're already first class except for size. Maybe a better players lounge. I can't imagime we're missing equipment.

Sadly, the bottom line is winning. That will boost recruiting, then attendance, and in turn increase money for facilities. PSU will not commit to spending more money on the BB program until it makes them money back. Sad reality.

 

[UncleLar]

Are their practice facilities located in completely separate buildings?

Some are

Indiana: Cook Hall

Nebraska - Hendricks Training Complex (basketball and wrestling)

Illinois - Ubben Practice Facility

Michigan - Davidson Player Development Center

Minnesota - Basketball Practice Facility

 

[Art]

Does that mean a nutrition bar with healthy beverages and snacks or does that mean a whole separate cafeteria?

I saw this about the football team
https://www.btn2go.com/video/sports-lite-with-mike-hall-touring-penn-states-nutrition-bar

I saw this about Florida State but it acts like it applies to all sports. It looks like it's a common area, not one for each sport.

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Varies by school. Some have private, dedicated dining areas for all or certain teams. Snack and juice bars are usually located in buildings where teams train and/or meet. Other than for football and sometimes basketball, these are usually shared.

 

[Raffycorn]

Sadly, the bottom line is winning. That will boost recruiting, then attendance, and in turn increase money for facilities. PSU will not commit to spending more money on the BB program until it makes them money back. Sad reality.

Penn State makes millions of dollars per year on men’s basketball. It’s the second-most profitable sport on the ledger (after football, of course). The problem, as always, is priorities and to which other sports the profit goes, just like with football.

 

[Art]

Penn State makes millions of dollars per year on men’s basketball. It’s the second-most profitable sport on the ledger (after football, of course). The problem, as always, is priorities and to which other sports the profit goes, just like with football.

On an operating basis, PSU basketball loses money. Without allocation of conference revenue sharing, to which the basketball team contributes precious little, it's underwater.

 

[BlueBand]

Varies by school. Some have private, dedicated dining areas for all or certain teams. Snack and juice bars are usually located in buildings where teams train and/or meet. Other than for football and sometimes basketball, these are usually shared.

Penn State is a bit unique in that our athletics teams are spread out all over. Most schools are consolidated in 1 or 2 locations on an athletics mini campus. We have teams in Rec Hall, White Building, and the east campus complex with Lasch, Pegula, BJC, lax and track facilities, etc.

 

[UncleLar]

Does that mean a nutrition bar with healthy beverages and snacks or does that mean a whole separate cafeteria?

I saw this about the football team
https://www.btn2go.com/video/sports-lite-with-mike-hall-touring-penn-states-nutrition-bar

It's much more than a snack bar.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...consin-oregon-ncaa-student-athletes/26405105/

 

[BlueBand]

On an operating basis, PSU basketball loses money. Without allocation of conference revenue sharing, to which the basketball team contributes precious little, it's underwater.

Take away the conference revenue sharing from football and see how much revenue shrinks. Bottom line is basketball brings in more than it spends, and conference and network money is part of it.

A consistently winning team would bring in more money on its own. But you don’t get one on a shoestring budget.

 

[Art]

Penn State is a bit unique in that our athletics teams are spread out all over. Most schools are consolidated in 1 or 2 locations on an athletics mini campus. We have teams in Rec Hall, White Building, and the east campus complex with Lasch, Pegula, BJC, lax and track facilities, etc.

I see the issue, which is why Barbour gets paid the big bucks. Guessing that, at the very least, Franklin would want dedicated eateries for the football team.

 

[Art]

Take away the conference revenue sharing from football and see how much revenue shrinks. Bottom line is basketball brings in more than it spends, and conference and network money is part of it.

A consistently winning team would bring in more money on its own. But you don’t get one on a shoestring budget.

Take away the conference revenue sharing from football and see how much revenue shrinks. Bottom line is basketball brings in more than it spends, and conference and network money is part of it.

A consistently winning team would bring in more money on its own. But you don’t get one on a shoestring budget.

Duh, really? Even with conference revenue sharing remove, the football team still makes money and at, least I can make a credible argument that it is a significant contributor to the TV contract. Can the same argument be made for the basketball team? How about the basketball team's contribution to the NCAA distribution, a large part of which is based on tournament appearances? And the interesting part is that the allocation amount comes from the conference. Somebody in Indianapolis decides to change the allocation methodology and, poof, underwater. Not true of the football team.

I'm sure the basketball team would make more money if it were better. It's also reasonable to assume that a larger investment in the program would help. But don't tell me, tell Barbour. She controls the purse strings. When you ask her about it, make sure to tell her what a great job she's doing first.