Basically, Harbaugh is creepy
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Watching his press conference. He's definitely better now than he was on Colin Cowherd's show.
. That said. If he has to answer a question for over 20 seconds he seems to space out and just start rambling off odd phrases that don't really flow.
When FS1 showed Hardball's staff being forced to snap Hardyball the ball so he could show off as a Middle aged Hardball loser playing QB, I finally understood the interception offence that Meat Chicken will be showcasing this year in Happy Valley.
Can't wait for that meltdown to happen.
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Can't wait for that meltdown to happen.
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We'll see how it plays out....but I said at the time that they pulled the plug too quickly on Hoke.
I do understand why some "Michigan Men" didn't like Hoke, but I felt he had things moving in the right direction - he was just put into a situation, thanks to DickRod's refusal to recruit offensive linemen, that was going to take 3-4 years to get back on the right track (VERY similar to the situation Franklin inherited, but due to the sanctions rather than idiotic recruiting). Hoke did a VERY good job of immediately recruiting a bunch of "4 star" level OL (remind you of anyone?), but it takes time for them to marinate.
You can't be a big-time winner without solid OL play.....and if your OL is a train wreck, its a 3-4 year rebuild (in the best case).
The genesis of Michigan's downfall was the utter lack of quality AND quantity in OL recruiting in 2010/11. Hoke turned that around immediately in 2012......and just now - 2015 - is that issue beginning to be remedied.
PSU was first able (due to the sanctions) to recruit legitimate OL classes in 2015 (2014 had decent numbers for OL, but not the high end quality throughout). That puts PSU three years behind UM in rebuilding the OL depth chart (two years if you want to be real optimistic).......meaning where UM is right now with their OL is where PSU can HOPE to be in 2017.
Until then, PSU has to rely on VERY high end skill position talent and strong defense (stronger than what we see at UM), if they are to reach higher levels than where UM is right now. I do think PSU WILL rebound somewhat quicker than UM......because they are better at the skill positions and - I think - have a better staff.
I agree. Something just ain't right about this guy. He's a bad call, a missed assignment, and un-timely penalty away from pulling a Woody Hayes type of melt-down. Who knows, maybe a year or two in college will kind of soothe him back into sanity. I know the NFL can be a mental grind. But, I am willing to bet that he has a made-for-TV type of nuclear sideline meltdown before his sanity returns.
Some people are cut out for coaching in high school, some people are cut out for coaching in college (at a specific level) and some guys are cut out for coaching in the professional ranks.
Each level has its challenges.
Where Jim Harbaugh's niche lies - I do not know. I thought that he was a pretty good NFL coach and I don't know exactly where the problems were. If his difficulties were due to micromanagement and Mickey Mouse type stuff, he will eventually struggle at scUM. These kids are pretty savvy about where they are at and what they are supposed to do.
I agree with btf1984 above - scUM pulled the plug on Brady Hoke way too early. RichRod left him a pretty bare cupboard and he was doing things right - just wasn't winning quickly enough to satisfy the spoiled scUM fans.
Each level has its challenges.
Where Jim Harbaugh's niche lies - I do not know. I thought that he was a pretty good NFL coach and I don't know exactly where the problems were. If his difficulties were due to micromanagement and Mickey Mouse type stuff, he will eventually struggle at scUM. These kids are pretty savvy about where they are at and what they are supposed to do.
I agree with btf1984 above - scUM pulled the plug on Brady Hoke way too early. RichRod left him a pretty bare cupboard and he was doing things right - just wasn't winning quickly enough to satisfy the spoiled scUM fans.
And we thought Urban was wound too tight. Harbaugh would be a quirky, interesting case study for a good shrink.
He looks bizarre during his interviews - is he really on meds, or was that just hyperbole?
I think the issue with Harbaugh is much the same as Meyer - is he capable of staying in one place for more than around 5 years? Their styles are so unique and so "intense" that I think chances are they get everything they can out of players and a program but then it may go downhill if they don't move on. That happened with Meyer at UF and Harbaugh with the 49ers. But the flip side is they had great success everywhere until the bottom fell out.
The Wolvie fans refer to his weirdness as eccentricity. They welcome his intense, macho approach as stark contrast to Hoke's laid back style and expect he will impart a hardnosed, winning attitude to the team. Most attribute the problems in SF to inept, egotistical owners and point to the success JH had at Stanford.
Hoke was one of the few coaches who had the stones to publicly say that the sanctions were unfair. He will always be okay in my book and I hope that he lands on his feet.
I don't buy the richrod thing. At least when he was there the offense scored a lot of points. That isn't happening with Hoke and i don't see it happening this year. I think richrod got run out too soon imho. He did good at WV and now is doing really good at Arizona. The offense scores a ton of points. Hoke won his first year pretty big with a lot of Richrod's players. I don't really follow Michigan that closely and I know a lot of fans/alumni did not care for him, but they were much closer to beating OSU when he was there then they have been since.
When you win or the anticipation is that you will win, then you can be eccentric. If that same person loses or doesn't meet expectations they will be described as crazy or at best, unable to relate to his players. Time will tell whether Harbaugh's is eccentric or crazy and unrelatable.
Hoke's last three years - Michigan signed 36 four and five start recruits.
Those same years, Utah signed a total of 7 four and five star recruits.
Those are the now the 4th year/3rd year/2nd year guys on the rosters in 2015.
I know UM has a hole at QB right now, but was Harbaugh really "out-talented"?
Go look at RichRod's 2010 and 2011 recruiting classes......then tell me what you (don't) see.
Several of us talked about it at the time......it was a ticking time bomb that exploded in 2012/2013.
Look beyond the first layer of the onion.
In all honesty, I've always wondered if he had some concussion issues. To have so much intensity that you get fired despite winning? That's tough to do.
Remember, the 49ers tried to trade Harbaugh. Not fire, trade. Sounds like something bizarre was going on in the Bay area or his personality and not his coaching was being traded.
bwifan
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I know 1 thing.... Harbaugh and Urban are both a little "off"... The hatred between those schools and coaching staffs could be taken to a all time high level.
Yeah, this discussion brings to mind the late great poster "Shrink".
Loved his breakdown of game action, and in this case he'd be able to provide qualified psychiatric profiles of Harbaugh and Urban.
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