Ben Askren's P4P list
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FRL 144. Includes a surprising debate on Nolf's PFP value.
Also CP's weight by weight D1 preview starts Monday.
Yeah, that would help, right? Sorry, lol
http://www.flowrestling.org/article/46472-frl-144-rankings-debate-and-ncaa-locks
It's at about the 10min mark
1) Snyder
2) Cox
3) IMar
4) Retherford
5) Dean
6) Nolf
I'd take Nolf over Dean every day and twice on Saturday night.
A kid who hasn't quite won his first title over a two-time champ? Slow your roll, Bro.
Dean also made a junior world team. 84 was also a much deeper weight last year then 57. Will be this year also. Not taking anything away from Nolf, he's amazing. Dean just has a better resume.
Nitpicking.....
But, I would have Retherford over iMar.
iMar is very dominant and has two titles. But, he had two opponents last year that he won very close contests. He was 2-1 vs Nolf, including getting pinned. His two wins were a double OT win on criteria, and a nip-and-tuck first-takedown-wins match.
He was 1-0 vs Ian Miller, needing overtime to beat him.. and very nearly losing that match in regulation.
Retherford destroyed all his opponents. His "closest" match was a 4-0 victory in the B1G championship vs Sorenson. 100% of those watching can testify that the 4-0 score was not indicative of the utter domination.
And I am an tOSU grad, so I really dont have a PSU bias for Retherford... just think he should be ranked higher than iMar. And, if it wasnt for J'den Cox's freestyle world accolades, I would have Retherford above him as well.
But, I would have Retherford over iMar.
iMar is very dominant and has two titles. But, he had two opponents last year that he won very close contests. He was 2-1 vs Nolf, including getting pinned. His two wins were a double OT win on criteria, and a nip-and-tuck first-takedown-wins match.
He was 1-0 vs Ian Miller, needing overtime to beat him.. and very nearly losing that match in regulation.
Retherford destroyed all his opponents. His "closest" match was a 4-0 victory in the B1G championship vs Sorenson. 100% of those watching can testify that the 4-0 score was not indicative of the utter domination.
And I am an tOSU grad, so I really dont have a PSU bias for Retherford... just think he should be ranked higher than iMar. And, if it wasnt for J'den Cox's freestyle world accolades, I would have Retherford above him as well.
Man, you'd think Flo could make some money from another Dake v. Taylor, Delgado v. Megaludis, Taylor v. Dieringer, or some other matches featuring post-grads. Heck, I'd pay more on top of my Flo subscription to see some of these match-ups!
Not taking issue with your argument but Zain's closest match last year was against BJ Clagon, who he beat 2-1. Clagon is a good wrestler but there's no reason to think that match was anything but an outlier.
What I see is one guy who will finish 3-1-1-1, and the other will go 2-1-1-1, negligible difference. One beat Ruth, other beat Martinez, again not a huge difference (though Nolf was dominating before the fall).
The real differences are that Nolf's freshman bonus rate is much better than any of Dean's seasons, and Nolf's only career losses will have come to Martinez.
Plus the fact that Dean isn't #1 or #2 in this list means his 2 titles aren't king.
I like Dean. A lot. But give me Nolf.
And, again, if we're counting freestyle accomplishments, third place in the Olympic trials ought to count for something.
I never saw this topic mentioned on this forum, but I think Retherford was shortchanged in the selection of OW in the NCAA tournament. Snyder got the award primarily because his match with Gwiz was considered the premier match of the tournament. (which is clearly the case) However, Retherford totally dominated his weight class. Nobody came even close to him, and his "most competitive" match was a 10-1 MD over Sorenson in the finals.
It's hard to argue with this list but given Retherford's dominance especially in the pins and other bonus
point categories, it's hard for me not to rank him higher.
I see both sides of the argument, though my personal opinion was Zain in a close vote. That said, he did win the NCAA's Most Dominant Wrestler Award, and helped his team win the National Championship. Knowing Zain, not winning OW isn't a big deal at all.
We did discuss it at the end of NCAAs, and I believe again when the Hodge Award results were announced.
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