love you for what you did for PSU at your time.
Bill O'B. From the HBO show, I'm certain we would have won maybe 3 games. He is the MAN.. Thx B'OB
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Sorry, but I don't get your thread title. He was on some HBO show. O.K. Are you saying that Penn State would have won "maybe 3 games" in 2012 without him? Maybe, maybe not. It obviously depends on who would have taken the job instead. Regardless, what does this have to do with the HBO show?
(Enter bushwood with a "FLO", adjective-riddled rant.)
(Enter bushwood with a "FLO", adjective-riddled rant.)
Its the football show following Texas behind the scenes before the season. He is so passionate and caring and really we would have been a team in disarray without this guy. Guessing to the wins and losses.
He said that, or is that what you think would have happened.? If he said that, he's an egomaniac.
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No doubt, a more apt quote would have been, had PSU not given FLO a Head Coaching contract he'd still have ZERO Head Coaching contracts.
Three wins is ridiculous. That was a good team, talent wise. Bob is an excellent offensive coach. Multiple NFL players on offense and defense. If you've read the articles about what happened when the sanctions were announced the man who started calling players and urging them to stay was Michael Mauti. Zordich as well I believe. He kept the team together as much as anyone did. In my book, Mauti is the man along with Franco. One was fighting from inside the program, one from the outside. Both fired up Penn Staters and kept the torch lit during the darkest hours.
Uh, FLO inherited all of those pro players - most of them as multi-year starters by the time FLO got there. Claiming FLO made them "pro caliber" after inheriting them as starters and only coaching them one year is beyond absurd.
We agree. My message was not clear. O'Brien inherited a lot of "NFL caliber" talent. I'll give him credit for the offensive playcalling, recruiting Hackenberg and keeping the team focused under difficult circumstances but he wasn't inheriting Temple like talent.
Bob needs to come up for air from FLO's bung hole....
I am not in love with O'Brien and have previously stated, more than once, that I do not like how he left (firing Vanderlinden, the dave jones interview, etc.). However, you need to stop with the constant tirades about him. He's gone 20 months already. Just accept that some here respect him (I see good things he did at Penn State), and stop trying to get the last word in with your patented tirades against anyone who has a different point of view.
Was his tenure ending interview with Davie Jones an example of his caring nature?
We would have been in disarray if not for the upper class men like Mauti more so than BOB
Sorry but that team was loaded with NFL talent (McGloin, ARob, Urschel, Gilliam, Mauti, Hodges, Carson, Hill, Jones)
I think the team overachieved in the win over Wisconsin but underachieved in the losses to Ohio and Virginia.
PSU was going to spend $4m on a coach so they should have been able to get another good one if O'Brien didn't come. Another coach might have done better because he would have come right away rather than wait a few weeks for the Superbowl.
O'Brien was an excellent offensive coach but Butler's defense looked pretty bad, especially given the talent he inherited.
No way do we only win 3 games without O'Brien. That means we lose to Temple, Navy, Indiana, Purdue, etc. with a different $4m coach.
I'm saying that. B'OB did not say three wins. I'm not quoting him. Just professing how much I appreciated his tenure at Penn State and that he is one hell of a guy from what the film shows me.
No question Penn State had great leadership among the players in 2012 and 2013, but they definitely responded well to O'Brien. There were post-game locker celebrations from both years in which the players showed great rapport with O'Brien. I think that contributed to success on the field.
Accusing me of tirades and attempting to get last word? You are the party directing posts at me in a thread I had not even put a comment in - take a look in the mirror douche after you come up for some air from FLO's sphincter. LMFAO!
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Please humor me because I'm new to the pissing contest that is going on here, but how did the nickname of FLO come about?
"Flyin', Lyin' O'Brien" as he flew in here, lied about staying and wanting to be here. Came about when he skipped town and apparently dissed Penn State fans to Davey Pageviews. I didn't coin it, nor have I used it.
It's a bushwood thing. O'Brien ran over his dog...twice.
I would say without a kicker it is pretty hard to claim underachieve. Also, Ohio that year was acclaimed as a MNC contender because they had most of their whole team back. Not saying that could happen with a MAC team but they were being promoted as such. and it was our first game. Other observations I have (not about your post): during numerous interviews with all of the key players mentioned in this thread, they would often state O'B was the best coach they'd ever had.
Last but not least, relative to leaving, whether it was a JPbots TBbots or JTbots, a mole in his department tried to put the killing blow to PSU football by leaking supposed violations to SI. That experience made that $10M look to hard to resist and was probably the root cause of any negative comments he had upon leaving.
I doubt any of us would continue to work in an environment where we couldn't trust the folks around us!
Ohio was unranked going into the 2012 season. They finished 4-4 in the MAC and got blown out by teams like Norfolk State, Ball State, and Kent State. Tettleton was good but that's not what beat us. OU ran right through our defense in the second half, a defense that had 2 future NFL DTs and 3 future NFL LBs.
Exhibit A (for those who've somehow managed to forget just how bad he was before O'Brien): Matt McGloin.
And starting D. Day at RB instead of Zwinak.
OB did a good job but he wasn't as great as some suggest. PSU would have won a lot more than 3 games with another coach.
Where is Ron Vanderlinden coaching these days. Probably at some top 5 or 10 program. Which one?
The only way I'd believe what Jones wrote is to hear the conversation
Steve Jones. Now that is one objective voice. ROTFLMFAO!!!
C'mon bdgan. PSU started a freshman kicker, McGloin...not exactly a natural talent...learning a new offense, two backs hurt in first qtr, top receiver had left, couple other guys had left, all players learning new system and staff, staff learning new players and first college game, add the feeling that the world is against us, a ban on bowl games, sanctions were still new and a huge distraction, press hounding guys where ever they went, D played whole game as offense sucked and was exhausted by end of 3rd gtr.
Amazing it was close.
Amazing it was close.
Actually maybe your statement is absurd. Did you not see a difference with Mcgloin? Or are/were you blinded by your loyalty to all things Paterno. O'brien did a great job, albeit somewhat tarnished by losses to the likes of Ohio and Indiana. His leaving did bother me because I thought/hoped he was here for the long haul. But his heart is in the NFL but I do believe PSU and those players that stayed will always be special to him.
Exhibit A for FLO not improving team - PSU's Defense being one of the worst in PSU history despite FLO inheriting tremendous defensive talent. BTW, that vaunted FLO offense laid plenty of turds - 2012 Ohio, 2012 UVa, 2013 Indiana, 2013 Minnyhaha.....
Ohio was blown out by teams like Norfolk State and Ball State. Our defense was disorganized and OU ran the ball down our throats in the second half. Obrien had 7 months to have the team prepared.
Yes we had a kicking problem but we still had lots of talent. Probably 7 or 8 from that team are NFL and you think it was amazing that it was close?
I read that year that at one time they'd lost 14 starters on and off! MACers don't have a lot of depth you know!
2012 RECAP
— In a nutshell: All went according to plan through Akron. The Bobcats topped Penn State in the opener. Sneaked past Marshall two weeks later. Survived a few tests during the early stages of MAC play. This was a team of destiny – as of Oct. 13, at least. What happened to the Bobcats after the 7-0 start? Injuries, more than anything, and these dings and dents robbed Ohio of not only several key starters but also countless important reserves, causing a team with BCS aspirations to finish 8-4 overall, third place in the MAC East Division, losers of four of five to end the regular season. The team that limped to the finish line was a markedly different team than the one that started with a flash; for evidence, consider that a healthy and rested Ohio simply dismantled Louisiana-Monroe in the Independence Bowl – that was the team most expected in August, one that couldn't remain afloat amid a rash of season-changing ailments.
bushwood. IS. OUTRAGED.
hahaha.. lol! I forget why Bush calls him FLO. Care to elaborate bush?
The irony is they have no problem with Franklin telling Vanderbilt he was going to stay. It part of the business.
No !!!hahaha.. lol! I forget why Bush calls him FLO. Care to elaborate bush?
Please let that sleeping dog, who apparently got run over twice, lie.
Nobody is saying O'Brien was a bad coach. Just saying that PSU should have been able to get a top notch coach for $4m and he should have been able to win a lot of games with the talent he would have inherited in 2012.
Umm, do you remember McGloin before O'Brien got here? I was as upset as anyone when he left but, he appears to have been the right man for the job. He also made an excellent buffer coach between the end of the Paterno era and the start of the Franklin era.
*Maybe*. Most coaches recognize that being the guy after The Guy is a pretty tough position to be in--you almost can't win, no matter what you do. In some cases, even an MNC wasn't enough. Add to that the tarnish on the job given the events of November 2011, and the task of finding a new coach was not that simple.
The 2011 situation was a mess but PSU is a destination job and the administration was willing to pay a top 10 salary. And they could have hired Golden, Bradley, or LJ for half that price.
