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Blaze continues to rage on USS Bonhomme Richard nearly 24 hours after the fire; nearly 60 injured

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WASHINGTON – Firefighters, backed by helicopters, are still battling the blaze raging aboard the Navy's USS Bonhomme Richard Monday, nearly 24 hours after flames were first reported at its pier in San Diego.

The fire and efforts to contain it have injured 57 sailors and firefighters. Most of the injuries have been minor, including heat exhaustion and smoke inhalation. Five personnel remain hospitalized in stable condition.

"We're still using helos to dump water," Lt. Cdr. Nicole Schwegman, a Navy spokeswoman, said Monday.

It's unclear how long it will take to control the fire.

The cause of the fire aboard Bonhomme Richard, an amphibious assault vessel, is unknown, according to the Navy. The ship was undergoing maintenance when the fire broke out. All crew members have been accounted for.

Sailors reported the fire at about 8:30 a.m. Pacific time Sunday. Firefighters from the Navy and local departments have worked in shifts to deal with extreme heat. Tug boats poured water onto the vessel, and two helicopters scooped buckets from the sea and dropped them aboard.

The fire is believed to have started far below deck in a vast area that holds equipment for the Marine Corps, Rear Adm. Philip Sobeck told reporters Sunday at a news conference. The one million gallons of fuel on board are not threatened by the flames or heat, he said.

The Navy sent two destroyers, the USS Fitzgerald and Russell, away from their berths to avoid damage.

The Bonhomme Richard, the third ship with that name in Navy history, was commissioned in 1998 and its full crew is about 1,000 sailors. The ship can carry helicopters and fixed-wing warplanes.
 
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Spent 2 weeks on a ship my entire enlistment...freaked me out a bit for this very reason.
 
WASHINGTON – Firefighters, backed by helicopters, are still battling the blaze raging aboard the Navy's USS Bonhomme Richard Monday, nearly 24 hours after flames were first reported at its pier in San Diego.

The fire and efforts to contain it have injured 57 sailors and firefighters. Most of the injuries have been minor, including heat exhaustion and smoke inhalation. Five personnel remain hospitalized in stable condition.

"We're still using helos to dump water," Lt. Cdr. Nicole Schwegman, a Navy spokeswoman, said Monday.

It's unclear how long it will take to control the fire.

The cause of the fire aboard Bonhomme Richard, an amphibious assault vessel, is unknown, according to the Navy. The ship was undergoing maintenance when the fire broke out. All crew members have been accounted for.

Sailors reported the fire at about 8:30 a.m. Pacific time Sunday. Firefighters from the Navy and local departments have worked in shifts to deal with extreme heat. Tug boats poured water onto the vessel, and two helicopters scooped buckets from the sea and dropped them aboard.

The fire is believed to have started far below deck in a vast area that holds equipment for the Marine Corps, Rear Adm. Philip Sobeck told reporters Sunday at a news conference. The one million gallons of fuel on board are not threatened by the flames or heat, he said.

The Navy sent two destroyers, the USS Fitzgerald and Russell, away from their berths to avoid damage.

The Bonhomme Richard, the third ship with that name in Navy history, was commissioned in 1998 and its full crew is about 1,000 sailors. The ship can carry helicopters and fixed-wing warplanes.
what would be burning that couldn't be controlled by shutting hatches and using sophisticated treatments? Years ago, a ship had an explosion and the Navy blamed it on a sailor from the CLE area. The family sued and after years, it came out that the navy made it up. They were experimenting with a classified weapon and made up the story to cover for the classified nature of the event.
 
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what would be burning that couldn't be controlled by shutting hatches and using sophisticated treatments? Years ago, a ship had an explosion and the Navy blamed it on a sailor from the CLE area. The family sued and after years, it came out that the navy made it up. They were experimenting with a classified weapon and made up the story to cover for the classified nature of the event.
I'm not familiar with this ship class, but in addition to fuel, they could be carrying many different kinds of munitions and vehicles for the Marine contingent. That this has gone on so long makes me wonder if the hull will be compromised from the heat.
 
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I'm not familiar with this ship class, but in addition to fuel, they could be carrying many different kinds of munitions and vehicles for the Marine contingent. That this has gone on so long makes me wonder if the hull will be compromised from the heat.
Saha retired Navy firefighter that said there is a lot of sound insulation in all the walls and is very difficult to get to. The white smoke indicates it is the insulation. Fuel would burn black smoke.
 
I'm not familiar with this ship class, but in addition to fuel, they could be carrying many different kinds of munitions and vehicles for the Marine contingent. That this has gone on so long makes me wonder if the hull will be compromised from the heat.

Drywall and stores.
 
I was stationed on the USS WASP LHD -1 . When a ship is in an upkeep availability (ship yard) a lot of watertight doors are open because of wiring hoses etc. passing throughout the ship. Also fixed firefighting systems are tagged out due to overhaul. When deployed there are 1200 sailors and 2500 marines and equipment from an MEU and fixed and rotary wing aircraft. It is very unlikely that this kind of fire would happen at sea. It is unfortunate that this happened. There wasn't a way to isolate the fire and there were not any installed halon or AFFF sprinkling systems to use because of the maintenance availability. I am sure that after this is all said and done that there will be a lot of changes to how things are done for a shipyard environment.
 
The Bonhomme Richard, the third ship with that name in Navy history, was commissioned in 1998 and its full crew is about 1,000 sailors.

I'm partial to the first Bonhomme Richard in US Navy history. It was a trading ship built for France, and named the Duc De Duras. In 1779, King Louis XVI donated the Duc De Duras, which was at that time 14 years old, to the US for use in the Revolutionary War. It wasn't a great war ship, and John Paul Jones did his best to avoid having to sail it. However, the US didn't have many options, so John Paul Jones had the Duc De Duras refitted so that she had 20 guns on each side, and then renamed her the Bonhomme Richard to honor France and America. Benjamin Franklin had been over in France since 1777 representing the Continental Congress, and that's where the "Richard" part of the name came from -- in honor of one of Franklin's more famous pen names (think Poor Richard's Almanac).

In June of 1779, Jones sailed the Bonhomme Richard. After coming back in for repairs, he sailed into British waters, and in short time captured 16 merchant vessels, which he had taken to France where their cargoes were sold to support the US Navy.

On Sep. 23, 1779, they encountered a fleet of 41 British ships that had been hunting for Jones. The flagship of the British fleet was the HMS Serapis, a newly built frigate which featured 50 guns. The Bonhomme Richard quickly engaged the Serapis, and they commenced to fight throughout the night. Early on, the Serapis got the better of the battle, and at one point the Bonhomme Richard's main battery exploded.

The Serapis was faster than the Bonhomme Richard, so to counter that Jones lashed the Bonhomme Richard to the Serapis. As the battle was not going too well for the Bonhomme Richard, Jones's officers counseled that he abandon the battle.

Late in the battle, the Bonhomme Richard's mast was hit above the top-sail. This caused the ship's colors, along with the mast, to come crashing down to the deck. At this, an officer on the Serapis called out, "Have you struck your Colors?" Jones's famous reply was "Struck Sir? I have not yet begun to fight!" Within an hour, the Serapis struck its colors.

With the Bonhomme Richard pretty much destroyed in the battle, John Paul Jones took over the Serapis, and sailed it to Holland, where it was repaired. The Bonhomme Richard sank later that day, after the battle had concluded.

This was the first defeat of an English ship in English waters by the US Navy.
 
Saha retired Navy firefighter that said there is a lot of sound insulation in all the walls and is very difficult to get to. The white smoke indicates it is the insulation. Fuel would burn black smoke.

I saw on the news last night the cargo holds are packed with massive amounts of items made from cloth.
 
If there is any drywall in a Navy ship it would be odd indeed- every ship I've been on had steel or aluminum bulkheads.
Because of the noise generated during flight ops, many spaces on a navy ship have padding on the bulkheads to keep sound at a minimum. Most of these spaces from my experience are berthing areas.

When this stuff burns, it can generate enough heat to start a fire on the same material on the opposite side of the bulkhead. As discussed, this material is flammable and burns a dense white smoke. Fighting this type of fire is extremely difficult ( I would rather fight a JP5 Fire ) with zero visibility and wearing a breathing device while tethered. When you find yourself in a space fighting a fire you can’t see with loud sounds all around and someone tugging on you constantly to make sure you are OK it is beyond disorienting.

As someone pointed out due to the maintenance evolution going on, many spaces would be open with cables and wires strung between and no working fire suppression system to rely on as well. This fire could have extended itself and started an electrical fire as well at some point, who knows.

It’s also possible given the day and hour it started, if there was no watch in the vicinity, nobody rushed toward the fire or explosion to hit it with an extinguisher early in the situation.

Smoke can quickly overwhelm any situation like this. During my time at sea and in port, fighting a fire was my least favorite situation to find myself in. I have fought one of these below decks at sea with a large team, it was pretty terrifying.
 
True but I will bet it was a welder mishap.The navy Navy used to use fire watchers to follow welders and put out the fires they started.
The Navy still uses spotters when welding ops are going on. The one below deck fire I fought at sea was started by a welder. either the spotter was in the wrong space or we needed spotters in multiple spaces, it was one of those scenarios. Sure enough, the padding lit up.

I don’t know if it still happens but the least qualified seaman is usually assigned the spotter type duty. Recipe for disaster is 50% complete at that point.
 
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There is a billion dollar national asset that will be out of service for years. It’s an open question do you leave her at NASSCO for an extensive rebuild? Or send her to scrap and replace with a newbuild? And does the Navy have the construction budget?

Either way you have one less deployment platform for a MAGTAF which is kind of a big deal.

I spent a lot of time in shipyards both USN and Merchant Marine, and I was always glad to get the hell out of there. The shipyard is a very dangerous environment.
 
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WASHINGTON – Firefighters, backed by helicopters, are still battling the blaze raging aboard the Navy's USS Bonhomme Richard Monday, nearly 24 hours after flames were first reported at its pier in San Diego.

The fire and efforts to contain it have injured 57 sailors and firefighters. Most of the injuries have been minor, including heat exhaustion and smoke inhalation. Five personnel remain hospitalized in stable condition.

"We're still using helos to dump water," Lt. Cdr. Nicole Schwegman, a Navy spokeswoman, said Monday.

It's unclear how long it will take to control the fire.

The cause of the fire aboard Bonhomme Richard, an amphibious assault vessel, is unknown, according to the Navy. The ship was undergoing maintenance when the fire broke out. All crew members have been accounted for.

Sailors reported the fire at about 8:30 a.m. Pacific time Sunday. Firefighters from the Navy and local departments have worked in shifts to deal with extreme heat. Tug boats poured water onto the vessel, and two helicopters scooped buckets from the sea and dropped them aboard.

The fire is believed to have started far below deck in a vast area that holds equipment for the Marine Corps, Rear Adm. Philip Sobeck told reporters Sunday at a news conference. The one million gallons of fuel on board are not threatened by the flames or heat, he said.

The Navy sent two destroyers, the USS Fitzgerald and Russell, away from their berths to avoid damage.

The Bonhomme Richard, the third ship with that name in Navy history, was commissioned in 1998 and its full crew is about 1,000 sailors. The ship can carry helicopters and fixed-wing warplanes.

Can't wait for the protestors to show up shouting: "Let the fire take its course!"

;):);)
 
There is a billion dollar national asset that will be out of service for years. It’s an open question do you leave her at NASSCO for an extensive rebuild? Or send her to scrap and replace with a newbuild? And does the Navy have the construction budget?

Either way you have one less deployment platform for a MAGTAF which is kind of a big deal.

I spent a lot of time in shipyards both USN and Merchant Marine, and I was always glad to get the hell out of there. The shipyard is a very dangerous environment.
Do we still have a couple destroyers out of action? They were in major accidents a couple years ago.
 
Do we still have a couple destroyers out of action? They were in major accidents a couple years ago.
I believe FITZGERALD is back in the Fleet, uncertain about MCCAIN. Don’t get me started on those fiascos. If I ever stood a watch like those slappies my next job would have been an unaccompanied tour as Pop Machine Officer in Diego Garcia.
 
Apparently they are closer to having the fires out. Damage will take some time to determine, but the ship cost something on the order of $750 million and was just at the end of a $250 mill upgrade, so our $1 billion investment looks to be not such a great one at the moment. If the damage is severe enough, I suppose it could make a good reef somewhere after another $50 mill or so to strip it out.
 
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Apparently they are closer to having the fires out. Damage will take some time to determine, but the ship cost something on the order of $750 million and was just at the end of a $250 mill upgrade, so our $1 billion investment looks to be not such a great one at the moment. If the damage is severe enough, I suppose it could make a good reef somewhere after another $50 mill or so to strip it out.
Saw some pics on Facebook. Aerial shots showed numerous holes burned through main deck. Interior shots with massive damage.
 
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Saw some pics on Facebook. Aerial shots showed numerous holes burned through main deck. Interior shots with massive damage.
yeah- I saw those too- I think the major issue will be how much damage the hull took from the extreme heat- if there is a lot of damage there I can imagine them just decommissioning the ship, because you can't have a weakened hull
 
Afraid it is toast. Just glad no one was killed
The problem is, steel expands in a hot fire. Since the sections have no where to expand to, that means the sections twist and you have a zillion broken welds. I saw on the Surface Warfare LinkedIn page where the island is trashed, CIWS mount collapsed, it’s a royal goat rope.

I never sailed gators but I presume there is a full length hangar deck? Then the well deck is below that? Surely everything above the hangar deck would need replaced.

You never know. BELKNAP was burned to the main deck after the collision with JFK and the Navy rebuilt her. BELKNAP was CG-26; I sailed JOSEPHUS DANIELS CG-27.
 
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WASHINGTON – Firefighters, backed by helicopters, are still battling the blaze raging aboard the Navy's USS Bonhomme Richard Monday, nearly 24 hours after flames were first reported at its pier in San Diego.

The fire and efforts to contain it have injured 57 sailors and firefighters. Most of the injuries have been minor, including heat exhaustion and smoke inhalation. Five personnel remain hospitalized in stable condition.

"We're still using helos to dump water," Lt. Cdr. Nicole Schwegman, a Navy spokeswoman, said Monday.

It's unclear how long it will take to control the fire.

The cause of the fire aboard Bonhomme Richard, an amphibious assault vessel, is unknown, according to the Navy. The ship was undergoing maintenance when the fire broke out. All crew members have been accounted for.

Sailors reported the fire at about 8:30 a.m. Pacific time Sunday. Firefighters from the Navy and local departments have worked in shifts to deal with extreme heat. Tug boats poured water onto the vessel, and two helicopters scooped buckets from the sea and dropped them aboard.

The fire is believed to have started far below deck in a vast area that holds equipment for the Marine Corps, Rear Adm. Philip Sobeck told reporters Sunday at a news conference. The one million gallons of fuel on board are not threatened by the flames or heat, he said.

The Navy sent two destroyers, the USS Fitzgerald and Russell, away from their berths to avoid damage.

The Bonhomme Richard, the third ship with that name in Navy history, was commissioned in 1998 and its full crew is about 1,000 sailors. The ship can carry helicopters and fixed-wing warplanes.
This is one of the greatest failure in US Navy history.
 
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When I was in the Coast Guard I was stationed in Philly(89-93) we had 32' boats that had water cannons on top to put out pier fires. We would have had that fire out in a few hours and would have time to hit the aztec club afterwards
 
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