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Boeheim three more seasons, AD out

Evan Ceg

Evan Ceg

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Syracuse AD Dr. Daryl Gross has resigned and the Syracuse president announces that Jim Boeheim will retire after three more seasons to "enable and plan for a successful, longer-term transition in coaching leadership."

This is an example of why celebrity coaches are problematic for institutions of higher education. They develop their own power base among fawning alumni and donors and become essentially untouchable except in the most egregious circumstances.
 
Originally posted by Evan Ceg:
Syracuse AD Dr. Daryl Gross has resigned and the Syracuse president announces that Jim Boeheim will retire after three more seasons to "enable and plan for a successful, longer-term transition in coaching leadership."

This is an example of why celebrity coaches are problematic for institutions of higher education. They develop their own power base among fawning alumni and donors and become essentially untouchable except in the most egregious circumstances.
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I know the analogy you are trying to make, and once again, you're an idiot.
 
Yeah- if he wanted to fire him then he could fire him. This idea that the university prez can't fire high profile coaches is ridiculous. Sounds like the problem isn't high profile coaches but rather spineless Universify presidents.
 
Do you think bot's want financially successful athletic dept or not?

This is what they classify as a good problem to have, whether you wish to admit it or not. What you call 'power bade' they call 'money base.' You won't find a'powerful' coach if they don't bring in loads of cash.
 
I you read the entire press release from SU, you see EXACTLY how our inept BOTs should have handled the JS scandal. SU basically did the exact OPPOSITE of what PSU did.

1. Make the NCAA do their own investigation. This will typically take at least five years to complete.
2. When the NCAA sanctions are announced, disagree with the harshest sanctions, explain how you have already "fixed" the problems and reluctantly accept the weaker sanctions.
3. Make a press conference stating #2 while broadcasting how great your university is and stand by your school, faculty, coaches and programs.

Our pathetic BOTs did none of these. Every time I don't think I can get angrier, I see how this could have played out.
 
Originally posted by psu00:
Yeah- if he wanted to fire him then he could fire him. This idea that the university prez can't fire high profile coaches is ridiculous. Sounds like the problem isn't high profile coaches but rather spineless Universify presidents.
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Geez sounds almost like a "Culture Problem".
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That is not being realistic.

When a coach reaches a certain level of popularity the only choice the bosses have are fire him and catch a massive amount of grief from the fan base or else let him coach as long as he wants. Neither option is good and the whole situation is bad. In the literal sense of course the bosses can fire whomever they want whenever they want but practically speaking it's much different.

Isn't the JVP case a prime example of this? The BOT fired him and yet years later the fan base is still irate and demanding those on the BOT at the time get the boot. The response is "But he didn't deserve to be fired because..." But that's the point. If the fan base wants a coach to continue then by definition any reason the boss fires him is invalid and the boss that did the firing must endure the wrath of the fan base as a result.
 
Re: That is not being realistic.

Originally posted by Op2:
Isn't the JVP case a prime example of this? The BOT fired him and yet years later the fan base is still irate and demanding those on the BOT at the time get the boot. The response is "But he didn't deserve to be fired because..." But that's the point. If the fan base wants a coach to continue then by definition any reason the boss fires him is invalid and the boss that did the firing must endure the wrath of the fan base as a result.
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No.
 
The AD accepts responsibility, but the coach does not!

And the prez not only condones this but supports three more years for Boeheim with the lame excuse that it will take that long to transition the program. Wanna bet that was Boeheim's plan anyway given his age? In other words, he suffers few consequences from what happened under his nose.
 
You nailed it!!...

except for the part about Paterno being given a name and a phone number to call to be fired over the phone after 61 years of exemplary service with not even a chance to speak with the people making the decision to fire him and despite the fact that he followed University policy to the letter. But those pesky details really don't matter to much of anybody so your example is just perfect.
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I think Syracuse needs Boeheim to ride out the sanctions, since no big name coach will want the job for the next 3 seasons anyway.
 
The fans aren't there for the coach. They're there for the team. *

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Re: You really don't understand why Penn Staters despise the bot.

And of course ESPN just applauds the guy...the m'fer is an effing cheating scumbag and FESPN just promotes the "Future Retirement of the Man who Built the Program".....no shit...when he calls it quits in 3 yrs ESPN will have a 3 hr farewell show for this POS....and Dickie V will be there to kiss his ass....
 
It was funny watching Vitale defend Boeheim the other night and yet all he did was perfectly outline "loss of institutional control" at Syracuse. ;).
 
Re: You really don't understand why Penn Staters despise the bot.

I don't think he will ride out the remaining 3 years. He'll hear so much shit around the country and sneak out before its all said and done. Like a true weasel.
 
Re: That is not being realistic.

Look- you've posted some pretty obstinate things in the past but if you don't see why people were upset over the Paterno firing, why it was done, and how it was done then it's not worth debating with you. As for the main point- it's not unrealistic. If the coach is not performing and he's given a fair chance to turn things around- then fire him. If he wants to keep hin then keep him. If he wants a transition period then tell him he has 3 years (or whatever). If he cheats- fire him and people aren't going to argue. The only caveat is that the pres will have to explain his reasoning. Will everyone like it? No. But that's true no matter what he decides and the bottom line is he is the CEO of the University. This idea that public opinion should/ does run everything is just silly as has been discussed with you by many posters over and over previously. I'm not about to get into a debate about that again.
 
BOT in most cases will stand up for a high profile coach over the President. It is pretty simple - the President is a CEO w/o the full power.

in the NFL look what happens when a GM or Coach tries to trade a high profile player. WHO is more expendable.

not saying it is right - but pretty much is true in most organizations. The rock stars rule.

in reverse, who would have EVER imagined that Gene Smith would be employed at tOSU???? his so deserved to be fired, and yet since he was able to execute the orders from BOT to hire Urban, it saved his butt. NOW if he tried to FIRE Urban, he would not make it to his car!!

that is the state of our value system these days.
 
Respectfully, I don't really buy that. However, there's no way to really prove it one way or the other. ;). But if the president is making some ridiculous or agenda driven decision that's not supported by the facts- then yes, the Board of Trustees is not going to support it. However, I would assume by this discussion that we are talking about a big name coach who is either chronically underperforming or cheating. It's a big decision and the prez will line up his ducks on the Board of Trustees and explain his reasoning. It's also not just a decision of fire the coach now or let him stay 20 years. There is middle ground and tact that can be used (as foreign a concept that is to us over the last 3 years). ;).

As in the case of Boeheim we are talking about over a decade of cheating. The prez makes the move he sees is appropriate. To say a prez can't do anything about a cheating coach if the coach is popular is just not true. Not saying it will always be easy but the decision is his (in concert with the AD).
 
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