Boise State dropping wrestling?
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Sad news, if true. I remember some pretty good Boise St. teams of the past. Several top-10 finishes from 1999 through 2011, and several more top-20.
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Never understood the gimmick. But hey, you're trying to attract kids from Compton California to Boise Idaho, so I suppose...
Baseball in Idaho is as useless as tits on a boar.
Honestly, college baseball is pretty worthless in most places north of the Mason-Dixon Line, including at dear old State.
Honestly, college baseball is pretty worthless in most places north of the Mason-Dixon Line, including at dear old State.
This is simple title IX. To add baseball they would have to add a women's sport of some kind. By eliminating wrestling, they don't add anything.
Add 2 sports or add none. You pick.
Sounds like Boise's AD studied at the Trev Alberts School for Athletics Administration.
Agree. This is strictly a pet project from the president. See attached link. Baseball allows 11.7 schollies and averages 35 athletes at the D1 level. Wrestling allows 1.8 fewer schollies and has about the same participants. So at best, this move is a wash financially if Boise St under funds its scholarship amounts and this does nothing for a true Title IX compliance where balance is not currently being achieved. I don't think this move has anything to do with Title IX beyond keeping status quo. The president simply desires baseball at the expense of wrestling.
http://diycollegerankings.com/11-7-reality-check/475/
bwifan
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We can complain about president's pet project (as if Fresno State Wrestling wasn't one) and Title IX.
But the fact is that he did not cut wrestling. He cut the lowest hanging fruit. Boise State Wrestling did not do enough over the past decade or so to make itself financially less vulnerable.
Complacency kills.
But the fact is that he did not cut wrestling. He cut the lowest hanging fruit. Boise State Wrestling did not do enough over the past decade or so to make itself financially less vulnerable.
Complacency kills.
1981 - 146 D1 Programs
1985 - 136 D1 Programs
1990 - 112 D1 Programs
1995 - 104 D1 Programs
2000 - 90 D1 Programs
2005 - 86 D1 Programs
2010 - 82 D1 Programs
2015 - 76 D1 Programs
From 1981 to 2015, D2 teams went from 68 to 59
From 1981 to 2015, D3 teams went from 149 to 94
1985 - 136 D1 Programs
1990 - 112 D1 Programs
1995 - 104 D1 Programs
2000 - 90 D1 Programs
2005 - 86 D1 Programs
2010 - 82 D1 Programs
2015 - 76 D1 Programs
From 1981 to 2015, D2 teams went from 68 to 59
From 1981 to 2015, D3 teams went from 149 to 94
I'm not really complaining. Largely just pointing out what ultimately happens. They simply could not add Baseball without adding a women's sport. That makes adding baseball twice as expensive, generally. The only logical step is to swap sports. Wrestling got the call.
Also consider Jefe, that none of the sports outside of football and basketball are financially viable so I'm not really sure that's a factor but happy to accept the premise. Heck....baseball sure isn't making money in most schools, if any.
The Title IX comments are valid certainly. Also, strategically Boise State wants to align their programs more in sync with the big time West Coast schools. For the CA and AZ schools in particular, baseball is a big deal. Wrestling? Unfortunately it is very spotty.
Shifting gears, there are discussions from time to time about the possibility of bringing Texas into the B1G down the road. An argument can be made as to how that would benefit both the B1G and Texas. The problem, as it were, is that the athletic programs at Texas align much more closely with the Pac 12 than with the B1G. Wrestling? Hockey? Not at Texas. They are big for the B1G. Golf? Baseball? Track and Field? Yes, the B1G has those sports, but the early spring weather compared to CA or AZ, means those programs will rarely perform at the same level as the top PAC 12 and Texas programs.
Shifting gears, there are discussions from time to time about the possibility of bringing Texas into the B1G down the road. An argument can be made as to how that would benefit both the B1G and Texas. The problem, as it were, is that the athletic programs at Texas align much more closely with the Pac 12 than with the B1G. Wrestling? Hockey? Not at Texas. They are big for the B1G. Golf? Baseball? Track and Field? Yes, the B1G has those sports, but the early spring weather compared to CA or AZ, means those programs will rarely perform at the same level as the top PAC 12 and Texas programs.
Less than 2 years ago Title IX was not an issue (http://www.idahostatesman.com/sport...t/boise-state-university/article40865580.html) and there has been no mention of it as a cause at all. I understand that thinking, but this looks like a pure budget move with the AD deciding they couldn't do both.
Wow Roar, when you post the stats like that it Is shocking to see how things have changed since the 80's. That really concerns me as a fan of the sport.
When the Science gets more intricate over the dangers of Football and society stops letting their children play the sport. Title IX will then be a non issue for wrestling and it can be marketed to those "Tough" would be football kids...lol I kid, I kid
You being up a very good point CoastFan.
But that may mean TX spring sports would have a huge edge vs B1G teams. That may be an advantage. OTOH - scheduling games with similar southern advantages might be needed for recruiting.
Mason Beckman is demolishing the BSU AD. This, if true, is about as cowardly as it gets:
Read the rest of his tweets.
Read the rest of his tweets.
Boise State puts program cancellation on hold.
Dang, if half what's written is the way this went down, one has to question the competence of some of these leaders.
http://www.flowrestling.org/article...res-faces-pressure-from-students#.WPgWjr4xLcc
Dang, if half what's written is the way this went down, one has to question the competence of some of these leaders.
http://www.flowrestling.org/article...res-faces-pressure-from-students#.WPgWjr4xLcc
At least the university didn't have a courier deliver a cell phone number to the head coach's house.
bwifan
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Dang Beckman letting the AD have it with both barrels on Twitter, and if he is right the AD should be canned.
More on the story...(fyi, the date reference is incorrect in the story)...
http://www.flowrestling.org/article...lled-and-admins-held-accountable#.WPnmI74xLfM
http://www.flowrestling.org/article...lled-and-admins-held-accountable#.WPnmI74xLfM
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