BTN camp tour show

[royboy]

Who was going to be the starting qb was an obvious talking point. I didn't understand Griffith's love for Cam but as stated above he's usually pretty straight forward. So maybe he saw something there. Let's hope. Franklin was pretty positive about how things were going so far. I don't remember him talking like that in years past. I could be wrong. He was pretty excited about the potential of the special teams and expects big things. During the offense line drills, Rasheed Walker towered over everyone. I have high hopes for him. They raved about our defense. Mason spoke the truth but he still a tool.

Yeah, not much footage to go on, but Walker looks very promising. He's got the size (listed at 6'6" 324#), shows good technique, and moves his feet well.

 

[JWB389]

Do you think it is fair to include the sanction and sanction recovery years in the 3-12 total?

That's a tough one. I think, since we won the BIG in 2016, a lot of people discount the impact of the sanctions. So, I think it's OK to include them. It is what it is.

 

[Ranger Dan]

Do you think it is fair to include the sanction and sanction recovery years in the 3-12 total?

You (not you specifically, but Penn State fans) can’t complain about the sanctions continually being mentioned and then want to invoke them when it’s convenient. Logically you are right to make the distinction, but if we want to put the sanctions in the rear view mirror we just need to beat tOSU, Michigan, and MSU.

 

[Fibes]

It's not that he lost multiple games to MSU, tOSU and Michigan. It's they way we lost them. With just average game day coaching, Franklin would be 7-8, not 3-12.

Did Franklin coach Allen to hit Lawerke late or Thompkins to drop the 4th down pass against MSU in 2017? Did Franklin coach Sanders to fumble the ball before half or the DBs to miss tackles on Victor against to$u in 2018? Did Franklin coach the punt receive team to ignore the heads up for a fake instructions they were just given, or Oruwariye to drop a game ending interception against MSU in 2018? Did Franklin coach the DL to not get any pressure whatsoever on Barrett in the 4th quarter against to$u in 2017? Did Franklin coach the WRs to drop multiple passes in literally every game last year?

Sometimes it comes down to whether your players make plays, and sometimes they don’t. Is Saban a bad coach because Bama flat out shit the bed against Clemson in the championship game last year?

 

[Connorpozlee]

No, in fact they (anchors and CJF) specifically said, "this isn't like the old days" in response to there being no tackling during practice. They spent a few minutes talking about player safety and how modern practice is mostly drills and simulation. They'll finally get to tackle in the scrimmage today, but even the scrimmage is very controlled and won't have near the amount of hitting as a game.

Thanks. Brown’s issue has never been looking good in a uniform or showing athleticism. It has been making a proper tackle and reading a play well.

 

[Fibes]

Thanks. Brown’s issue has never been looking good in a uniform or showing athleticism. It has been making a proper tackle and reading a play well.

And pursuit angles.

 

[Fibes]

I would rather spend an hour smelling dog feces than listening to DiNardo or Mason talk. I despise both of them.

 

[blion72]

Agree but three of those years were sanction affected. This is a big year; can CJF sustain a program in the post Barkley era?

i agree - 2016, 2017 and 2018 are really what we should look at. in 2016 we also played UMich with a long list of key injuries where there was NO depth. we were not even a good MAC team in terms of players that day. after being healthy, we won the BIG. the team that beat Wisconsin would have been a different game with UM. we beat OSU that year, and also MSU. in 2017, we lost a lead to tOSU, hammered UM and due to game delay of several hours wound up losing to a far inferior MSU team. in 2018, we lost a lead to tOSU again, lost to MSU due to a series of unusual events and the mystery injuries they used to stop the clock and UM was a bad loss with Trace playing at maybe 20% (it may have been a better coaching decision to play Tommy that day). while coaching may be part of these results, this is not as dire as Mason's comments. just sayin we are not as bad as being portrayed.

 

[Judge Smails]

Who was going to be the starting qb was an obvious talking point. I didn't understand Griffith's love for Cam but as stated above he's usually pretty straight forward. So maybe he saw something there. Let's hope. Franklin was pretty positive about how things were going so far. I don't remember him talking like that in years past. I could be wrong. He was pretty excited about the potential of the special teams and expects big things. During the offense line drills, Rasheed Walker towered over everyone. I have high hopes for him. They raved about our defense. Mason spoke the truth but he still a tool.

Jones and Ham see every/many practice, talk to the coaches. Jones called Cam the best LB on the team.

 

[Sooner Lion]

Did Franklin coach Allen to hit Lawerke late or Thompkins to drop the 4th down pass against MSU in 2017? Did Franklin coach Sanders to fumble the ball before half or the DBs to miss tackles on Victor against to$u in 2018? Did Franklin coach the punt receive team to ignore the heads up for a fake instructions they were just given, or Oruwariye to drop a game ending interception against MSU in 2018? Did Franklin coach the DL to not get any pressure whatsoever on Barrett in the 4th quarter against to$u in 2017? Did Franklin coach the WRs to drop multiple passes in literally every game last year?

Sometimes it comes down to whether your players make plays, and sometimes they don’t. Is Saban a bad coach because Bama flat out shit the bed against Clemson in the championship game last year?

You play the way you practice. I am sure if Franklin had SIX national titles to his name, we would be a little more forgiving of boneheaded game day coaching. 4th and 5? Ring a bell?

 

[olelion]

Glen’s make up looked horrible.

But I bet his pearly white teeth were awesome.

 

[Fibes]

You play the way you practice. I am sure if Franklin had SIX national titles to his name, we would be a little more forgiving of boneheaded game day coaching. 4th and 5? Ring a bell?

So, you admit that Saban did a terrible job in practice leading up to the championship game last year and in 2016? Does Franklin get credit for great coaching against to$u, MSU, Iowa and Wisconsin in 2016? Does Franklin get credit for great coaching against Pitt, Michigan, Iowa and Washington in 2017? Does Franklin get credit for great coaching against Pitt, Iowa and Wisconsin in 2018?

 

[Sooner Lion]

So, you admit that Saban did a terrible job in practice leading up to the championship game last year and in 2016? Does Franklin get credit for great coaching against to$u, MSU, Iowa and Wisconsin in 2016? Does Franklin get credit for great coaching against Pitt, Michigan, Iowa and Washington in 2017? Does Franklin get credit for great coaching against Pitt, Iowa and Wisconsin in 2018?

The discussion was in regard to Michigan, Ohio State and Michigan State. Franklin absolutely gets credit for his 3 wins in five years against the Big Boys of the East.

 

[Fibes]

The discussion was in regard to Michigan, Ohio State and Michigan State. Franklin absolutely gets credit for his 3 wins in five years against the Big Boys of the East.

Glad you cleared that up. What time is the cross burning tonight?

 

[Sooner Lion]

Glad you cleared that up. What time is the cross burning tonight?

Listen. We both obviously bleed blue and white. Some of us take an objective approach, others do not. Franklin will always be measured by his record vs tOSU, MSU and Michigan. Right now, it's 3-12. Let's hope it's 6-12 in Nov.

 

[KnightSlayer]

The discussion was in regard to Michigan, Ohio State and Michigan State. Franklin absolutely gets credit for his 3 wins in five years against the Big Boys of the East.

So you don't care about the reality of the situation Franklin faced his first two years. You'd rather just make dickish posts.

 

[Kiber]

Penn State enters 2019 season amidst jerry sandusky scandal

No of coarse not. But ask yourself this ... what years of your life were you most influenced?? Many studies have shown that the most formative years for a young person are about the ages of 8-12 years old. If kids' most formative years are approx. 8-12, then you do the Math and see who are we now recruiting. The guys that we recruit are about 16-18 years old (High School Sophs thru Seniors). The JS & scandal crap happened about 7-8 years ago. Subtract 7-8 from 16-18 and the JS / Scandal crap was happening when all of these kids we are recruiting today were about 9-10 years old ........ smack dab in the middle of their most formative years.

When these recruits of today were 9-10 years old, what was the perception of Penn State ???? Those formative memories are things the staff has to battle.

Like I said, it's getting less and less as the years go by. The memory is more distant. The kids have more time to change their formative memories. But I guarantee that there are still lingering effects.

Look at it another way. Clemson and Bama have dominated college football the last 4 years. Let's take all of these kids that were 8-12 years old the last 4 years, and project out to about 2024-2028 and I guarantee that regardless of what bama & Clemson do over the next 4-6 years, the perception in 2024-2028 of 16-18 year odl kids is that they are great programs and always win.

 

[Fibes]

Listen. We both obviously bleed blue and white. Some of us take an objective approach, others do not. Franklin will always be measured by his record vs tOSU, MSU and Michigan. Right now, it's 3-12. Let's hope it's 6-12 in Nov.

I measure his success in B1G championships and National Championships. The combination of wins that gets him there is irrelevant to me.

 

[Fibes]

So you don't care about the reality of the situation Franklin faced his first two years. You'd rather just make dickish posts.

Sanctions were only part of the problem in 2014 and 2015. He was also saddled with an awful starting QB who was a terrible fit for his offense.

 

[BTMurphy]

One interesting tidbit I just picked up listening to a wrap up clip on Twitter, posted by Revsin: Dinardo and (blanking on name, sorry) discussing/wondering if coaches may have to let 1st team O go against 2’s of “D” due to their talent and aggressiveness - to give O a chance to develop a bit more. Hoping D is as hyped, and O meshes quickly.

 

[psuno1]

Do you think it is fair to include the sanction and sanction recovery years in the 3-12 total?

I do PSU would have beat OSU in 2014 if not for two bad calls by the ref's No Interception called and Interception, and a bogus leaping call. Franklin's record could easily be 500. or above vs MSU, UM and OSU sanction years or not.

 

[Aloha T]

And his coaching inability to either change up the play calling for that QB or replace him with McSorely who was a better fit.

Just another example of Franklin not having the balls to make the right or tough call.

Put away your robe and hood ( there's no other justification for what you've said here) ...Hiring Coach Franklin is one of the few intelligent moves of PSU in recent memory...a stellar representative for the school!

 

[Fibes]

And his coaching inability to either change up the play calling for that QB or replace him with McSorely who was a better fit.

Just another example of Franklin not having the balls to make the right or tough call.

That’s a perfect example of what jock sniffers who’ve never played the game at that level often can’t comprehend. Players aren’t robots. They have emotions. Dumping a three year starter for a RS freshman risked losing the locker room.

Was it a tough call for Franklin to dump not only an assistant coach but a close friend, John Donovan, after 2015? Was that enough balls for you, or is your appetite for balls insatiable?

 

[Madsol]

I do PSU would have beat OSU in 2014 if not for two bad calls by the ref's No Interception called and Interception, and a bogus leaping call. Franklin's record could easily be 500. or above vs MSU, UM and OSU sanction years or not.

Don't forget that OSU kicked a FG at least 2 seconds beyond the expiration of the play clock. Don't know if the 5 yard penalty would have mattered but it should have been called.

 

[PSURoar]

I know Rahne takes heat but The 4th and 5 call was open and well designed and apparently practiced. The last 10 seconds of this video shows it could have been a TD if our right side lineman switched on the twist.


Comments from Trace and Miles indicate bad execution.
https://www.centredaily.com/sports/college/penn-state-university/psu-football/article219191395.html

 

[NittanyOpp]

No where did CJF say or state that Rahne needs to step up this year. I kinda wish he did.

I said in other words. Read between the lines, he says last year was his first calling plays and this year we expect a big improvement. You think if it’s the same crap JF won’t John Donovan him, another good buddy of his. He won’t sink with that ship, all I said.

 

[NittanyOpp]

Did Franklin coach Allen to hit Lawerke late or Thompkins to drop the 4th down pass against MSU in 2017? Did Franklin coach Sanders to fumble the ball before half or the DBs to miss tackles on Victor against to$u in 2018? Did Franklin coach the punt receive team to ignore the heads up for a fake instructions they were just given, or Oruwariye to drop a game ending interception against MSU in 2018? Did Franklin coach the DL to not get any pressure whatsoever on Barrett in the 4th quarter against to$u in 2017? Did Franklin coach the WRs to drop multiple passes in literally every game last year?

Sometimes it comes down to whether your players make plays, and sometimes they don’t. Is Saban a bad coach because Bama flat out shit the bed against Clemson in the championship game last year?

Single coverage on WR who ate them alive for 2 years and was only player on that offense who could make plays was grotesque. Blame Pry I guess, but as a HC you overrule. Even Sparty fans here know that was a joke.

Said WR wins game, end of story/season.

 

[m48tank]

IDK. Howard Griffith is the one guy out of all of them that is pretty straight forward, no agenda or hyperbole. I was listening to a Steve Jones podcast the other day and Jack Ham also had good things to say about Cam.
We’ll find out pretty soon...we’ll in the second half

I agree with the Howard Griffith comment - of all of them he is the most consistent in lack of overall bias. I don't always agree with him but I don't think there is any malice in his observations.

 

[Countrylion]

I know Rahne takes heat but The 4th and 5 call was open and well designed and apparently practiced. The last 10 seconds of this video shows it could have been a TD if our right side lineman switched on the twist.

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Comments from Trace and Miles indicate bad execution.
https://www.centredaily.com/sports/college/penn-state-university/psu-football/article219191395.html

What really happened was in was out due to injury and rahne did not have faith in the receivers on the field.

 

[Cletus11]

I know Rahne takes heat but The 4th and 5 call was open and well designed and apparently practiced. The last 10 seconds of this video shows it could have been a TD if our right side lineman switched on the twist.

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single high safety

Comments from Trace and Miles indicate bad execution.
https://www.centredaily.com/sports/college/penn-state-university/psu-football/article219191395.html

that play was not going to work. Look pre-snap...there are 7 OSU defenders in the box, they are playing a single high safety. PSU has 5 Lineman and a tight end = SIX blockers. So 6 blockers are never going to win against SEVEN defenders. Play should have been audible out to a pass play as they had single coverage. Just advance the tape about 3 seconds in and look at the safety, he is sprinting backwards. Look at how WIDE OPEN the middle was if the tight end had just released to that area.

 

[Fibes]

Single coverage on WR who ate them alive for 2 years and was only player on that offense who could make plays was grotesque. Blame Pry I guess, but as a HC you overrule. Even Sparty fans here know that was a joke.

Said WR wins game, end of story/season.

1. Coverage was not man v. man all day. It’s based on how the offense lines up.

2. PSU’s best DB, Oruwariye, had him when they did play man. I have no problem with that or anything else that Pry does.

3. Again, after all the mistakes PSU made that day, Oruwariye had the game winning interception thrown right at his chest and dropped it. Players either make plays or they don’t. Against App. State and Pitt he made plays. Against MSU, he didn’t.

 

[cjflyfish]

I know Rahne takes heat but The 4th and 5 call was open and well designed and apparently practiced. The last 10 seconds of this video shows it could have been a TD if our right side lineman switched on the twist.

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Comments from Trace and Miles indicate bad execution.
https://www.centredaily.com/sports/college/penn-state-university/psu-football/article219191395.html

Just when I forgot about that play. I almost broke my tv after that play call!! Thnx.

 

[YYZ86]

Listen. We both obviously bleed blue and white. Some of us take an objective approach, others do not. Franklin will always be measured by his record vs tOSU, MSU and Michigan. Right now, it's 3-12. Let's hope it's 6-12 in Nov.

It is not an objective approach that you are taking. What is the valid evidence that you are speaking about so that you can say you take an objective approach. I agree the evidence that they are 3-12 is evidence of something, but does not necessarily lead you to the conclusion you seem to be making. Since all Franklin needs is "average everyday coaching" (which is quite an indictment because it sounds easy) to win many of those games, I asked what changes (or I will say now what strategies) you would have used. I was hoping you would give me objective examples of what you meant.

I think that most observers forget that the other team has players who make plays and coaches who come up with great game plans. All fans get frustrated when teams lose close games or big games. There are two schools of thought (1) good coaches put their players in a position to win games and (2) good coaches win close games. These two schools don't match. I believe (1) is more true than (2). There are pivotal plays in every close game that decide the outcome. Coaches don't always have control over those plays. I don't know if you coach or not, but I can tell you that players ability to execute cannot be controlled as much as you think.

 

[Judge Smails]

Wonder if Glen Mason is shooting for that Big 10 Director of Officiating position? He’s showing a lot of promise, tbh.

 

[Judge Smails]

BTN spent more time talking about Trace McSorley than any player on the current team. He was a good player for us, but he’s not on the team anymore.

 

[Fibes]

Wonder if Glen Mason is shooting for that Big 10 Director of Officiating position? He’s showing a lot of promise, tbh.

He’s always claimed to like JVP and PSU, yet he never passed up a cheap shot at PSU, even when JVP was still in charge. I have more respect for guys who don’t try to hide their hate for PSU.

 

[Fibes]

BTN spent more time talking about Trace McSorley than any player on the current team. He was a good player for us, but he’s not on the team anymore.

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When he was still on the roster, they said he was too small and didn’t have a great arm.

 

[Blue and White Blood]

Glen’s make up looked horrible.

He looked like he aged 30 years since last season.

 

[Pittston-Lion]

So, you admit that Saban did a terrible job in practice leading up to the championship game last year and in 2016? Does Franklin get credit for great coaching against to$u, MSU, Iowa and Wisconsin in 2016? Does Franklin get credit for great coaching against Pitt, Michigan, Iowa and Washington in 2017? Does Franklin get credit for great coaching against Pitt, Iowa and Wisconsin in 2018?

That’s some mediocre squads you’re pointing out compared to the three teams in question.

 

[Fibes]

That’s some mediocre squads you’re pointing out compared to the three teams in question.

Wisconsin was 10-2 when PSU played them in 2016. Washington was 10-2 when PSU played them in 2017. Mediocre?