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Calling All Allar Critics

Are you watching the Chargers game? Herbert is one of the premier quarterbacks in the NFL. He’s not having a good day.
I'll assume that NFL players are better overall than college players and a playoff team has better overall players than say the Browns.
 
I'll assume that NFL players are better overall than college players and a playoff team has better overall players than say the Browns.
That's not the point. Stroud has been awful other than Nico making plays (you need a #1) and Herbert's going to fail again. The reality is...when you play better defenses and don't have a #1 WR it's almost impossible on your QB.
 
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I'll assume that NFL players are better overall than college players and a playoff team has better overall players than say the Browns.
What does that have to do with anything? Notre Dame is a comparable program with Penn State just like the Texans compare to the Chargers. Both quarterbacks played in a high stakes game with similar competition. Herbert is unquestionably one of the handful of best quarterbacks on the planet. He’s having a bad night. Drew had a bad night. It happens.
 
That's not the point. Stroud has been awful other than Nico making plays (you need a #1) and Herbert's going to fail again. The reality is...when you play better defenses and don't have a #1 WR it's almost impossible on your QB.
The Chargers are just doing what they always do: underachieve. I don’t even think Brady would’ve done anything with that organization.
 
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The Chargers are just doing what they always do: underachieve. I don’t even think Brady would’ve done anything with that organization.
I disagree. Say what you want about Harbaugh but he is competent enough to improve the Chargers where they obviously need improvement and he’s just crazy enough to light a fire under them which is what they need. How long it will last is the question but they are a team on the rise, tonight notwithstanding.
 
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None of this changes that Drew had a bad game on Thursday. I mean, it is what it is. Or was what it was.
No one is arguing he played a great game
That's the issue that issue here. It's the idiots that cant' comprehend he had a great season and all QBs miss throws and have off nights--even elite QBs.
We have a large segment of this board (probably 20%) that simply wanted Beau to start all year and don't comprehend what they're seeing on the field. See the idiotic argument he should have gotten the ball to Nick on the final pick of the game.
 
No one is arguing he played a great game
That's the issue that issue here. It's the idiots that cant' comprehend he had a great season and all QBs miss throws and have off nights--even elite QBs.
We have a large segment of this board (probably 20%) that simply wanted Beau to start all year and don't comprehend what they're seeing on the field. See the idiotic argument he should have gotten the ball to Nick on the final pick of the game.

Personally, I didn't want Beau to start all season.

Nor did I have a fixation on either Drew in one direction...or Beau in another...as you did.

And it wasn't that Drew didn't play a great game in your words. Rather, he played a bad game.

Nor was he "elite" this year. Anyone who thinks that is living in fantasy land.

He had some decent games. He had some not so decent games, to include the game we should have won against Notre Dame.

He's not ready for the NFL by a long shot which is why he will not be entering the draft this year.

I'm hoping for a breakthrough next season. I mean, Franklin and company have risked it all on him, so we'll see.
 
Personally, I didn't want Beau to start all season.

Nor did I have a fixation on either Drew in one direction...or Beau in another...as you did.

And it wasn't that Drew didn't play a great game in your words. Rather, he played a bad game.

Nor was he "elite" this year. Anyone who thinks that is living in fantasy land.

He had some decent games. He had some not so decent games, to include the game we should have won against Notre Dame.

He's not ready for the NFL by a long shot which is why he will not be entering the draft this year.

I'm hoping for a breakthrough next season. I mean, Franklin and company have risked it all on him, so we'll see.
You should have after last year
Allar had a bad game--so did Leonard--so did a lot of guys
He absolutely was elite this year--I have no clue what you're watching in this offense that you don't comprehend that
We should have won the game against ND if the defense didn't blow multiple leads
He's 100% ready and would be a top 10 pick
Franklin is using Drew's loyalty to keep him here. It's a shame for Drew given the joke of a receiving core we'll have for him
Your post is a prime example of why he needs to portal if he doesn't enter the draft.
 
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None of this changes that Drew had a bad game on Thursday. I mean, it is what it is. Or was what it was.
Jerry I usually agree with you but the comparison with Herbert is valid. Herbert is clearly one of the best quarterbacks in the world and had a bad game tonight. Drew had a bad game also. That doesn’t detract from all of the success they have had previously and you have to be Stevie Wonder not to see the talent of both.
 
Jerry I usually agree with you but the comparison with Herbert is valid. Herbert is clearly one of the best quarterbacks in the world and had a bad game tonight. Drew had a bad game also. That doesn’t detract from all of the success they have had previously and you have to be Stevie Wonder not to see the talent of both.

Kasp, to be totally honest, I don't even follow the NFL much these days.

If the point is that even great QBs can have bad days, there's no argument. We've all seen it.

I don't think Drew is a great QB. I think he's a kid with great potential talent who's flashed it at times.

I'm not a Drew-basher by any means. I'm a Penn State fan who knows that a lot is riding on him performing to his potential next year. I sincerely hope he does because we don't really have an Option B.

All this said, he had a bad game on Thursday. I can't see the sense in sugar-coating that.
 
Kasp, to be totally honest, I don't even follow the NFL much these days.

If the point is that even great QBs can have bad days, there's no argument. We've all seen it.

I don't think Drew is a great QB. I think he's a kid with great potential talent who's flashed it at times.

I'm not a Drew-basher by any means. I'm a Penn State fan who knows that a lot is riding on him performing to his potential next year. I sincerely hope he does because we don't really have an Option B.

All this said, he had a bad game on Thursday. I can't see the sense in sugar-coating that.
You are and have been so all along
You still don't comprehend things that went into his bad game which is the conversation--it's never just "X sucks"
 
Personally, I didn't want Beau to start all season.

Nor did I have a fixation on either Drew in one direction...or Beau in another...as you did.

And it wasn't that Drew didn't play a great game in your words. Rather, he played a bad game.

Nor was he "elite" this year. Anyone who thinks that is living in fantasy land.

He had some decent games. He had some not so decent games, to include the game we should have won against Notre Dame.

He's not ready for the NFL by a long shot which is why he will not be entering the draft this year.

I'm hoping for a breakthrough next season. I mean, Franklin and company have risked it all on him, so we'll see.
"Elite" is certainly an opinion. Lots of college quarterbacks are smart and make good decisions and play at an "elite college level". Why people call Allar elite is because he can make throws that 90% of college quarterback can't make and he does it with the flick of his wrist. He is the perfect size for a NFL QB with above average mobility. He has Elite measurable. So personally I think he has elite potential, that isn't there yet. We all see the flashes, he needs to find consistency.
 
Kasp, to be totally honest, I don't even follow the NFL much these days.

If the point is that even great QBs can have bad days, there's no argument. We've all seen it.

I don't think Drew is a great QB. I think he's a kid with great potential talent who's flashed it at times.

I'm not a Drew-basher by any means. I'm a Penn State fan who knows that a lot is riding on him performing to his potential next year. I sincerely hope he does because we don't really have an Option B.

All this said, he had a bad game on Thursday. I can't see the sense in sugar-coating that.
No one is sugar coating it. From where I sit, Drew is comparable to Blackledge and Collins at the same point in their careers. That is some rarified air and bodes well for next year.
 
That's not the point. Stroud has been awful other than Nico making plays (you need a #1) and Herbert's going to fail again. The reality is...when you play better defenses and don't have a #1 WR it's almost impossible on your QB.

Gonna be real impressive if Lamar beats the Steelers then.
 
"Elite" is certainly an opinion. Lots of college quarterbacks are smart and make good decisions and play at an "elite college level". Why people call Allar elite is because he can make throws that 90% of college quarterback can't make and he does it with the flick of his wrist. He is the perfect size for a NFL QB with above average mobility. He has Elite measurable. So personally I think he has elite potential, that isn't there yet. We all see the flashes, he needs to find consistency.

I agree with all that. He has elite potential and you can see that with some of the throws he makes, which are NFL-worthy.

The problem, as you say, is consistency. As Kasp noted, even elite QBs make bad throws or have bad games.

But the hallmark of an elite QB is more often than not rising to the occasion in big games against tough opponents. Drew has not done that.

I said in a previous post that the loss to Notre Dame was NOT all on Drew and it would be unfair to put it all on him. But a significant part of it was...and it's not unfair to point that out.

These guys are glorified when they play well and win. Media and fan adulation galore. Plus they're now getting paid pretty good money. The flip side of that coin is owning up to bad games and bad performances.
 
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What does that have to do with anything? Notre Dame is a comparable program with Penn State just like the Texans compare to the Chargers. Both quarterbacks played in a high stakes game with similar competition. Herbert is unquestionably one of the handful of best quarterbacks on the planet. He’s having a bad night. Drew had a bad night. It happens.
It's pros vs college. Al Bundy once scored for touchdowns in the city championship game for what it's worth.
 
I agree with all that. He has elite potential and you can see that with some of the throws he makes, which are NFL-worthy.

The problem, as you say, is consistency. As Kasp noted, even elite QBs make bad throws or have bad games.

But the hallmark of an elite QB is more often than not rising to the occasion in big games against tough opponents. Drew has not done that.

I said in a previous post that the loss to Notre Dame was NOT all on Drew and it would be unfair to put it all on him. But a significant part of it was...and it's not unfair to point that out.

These guys are glorified when they play well and win. Media and fan adulation galore. Plus they're now getting paid pretty good money. The flip side of that coin is owning up to bad games and bad performances.
There's more to playing QB than his frame and arm strength. What's between the ears is the factor that will make someone great .
 
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Are you watching the Chargers game? Herbert is one of the premier quarterbacks in the NFL. He’s not having a good day.
Yup, college and pro are the same game and totally comparable. There are institutions for people like you. De-programming can occur. After many years, you may even get released.
 
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Yup, college and pro are the same game and totally comparable. There are institutions for people like you. De-programming can occur. After many years, you may even get released.
This is not rocket science. No one is comparing pros to college. I am comparing an excellent pro quarterback to his peers and an excellent college quarterback to his peers. The point I am making is that both are still excellent quarterbacks even after having had bad high stakes games. Logic doesn’t seem to be your super power, so I will move on.
 
You should have after last year
Allar had a bad game--so did Leonard--so did a lot of guys
He absolutely was elite this year--I have no clue what you're watching in this offense that you don't comprehend that
We should have won the game against ND if the defense didn't blow multiple leads
He's 100% ready and would be a top 10 pick
Franklin is using Drew's loyalty to keep him here. It's a shame for Drew given the joke of a receiving core we'll have for him
Your post is a prime example of why he needs to portal if he doesn't enter the draft.
I am an Allar supporter but he had a bad game. Period. Herbert threw 4 picks yesterday and has played several years in the NFL. Allar is still 20 years old. I also agree that having WRs who didn’t catch a single pass negatively impacts his ability to succeed and Kotelnicki’s ability to game plan. ND’s WRs are nothing special but even they had several catches on 50/50 balls (tell me the last time any of Penn State’s WRs caught a 50/50 ball). Allar would NOT be a Top 10 draft pick had he declared for the draft this year. He made a smart decision returning this year.
 
Every athlete has limits, or maybe better way to put it any person who's ever try to competitive activity has limits. We don't know how well they will perform at the next level until they get there. There's certain metrics, measurements, and definable abilities that athletes will have that will suggest it will be good at the next level.

But obviously not every quarterback is Tom Brady, Fran Tarkington, or Roger Staubach. Some Ryan leaf. Some football players are Todd Marinović, or Tony Mandarich. They both looked like they had great potential but didn't have what it takes at the next level.

Allar has tools but there's no guarantee he'll succeed in the pros.
 
I am an Allar supporter but he had a bad game. Period. Herbert threw 4 picks yesterday and has played several years in the NFL. Allar is still 20 years old. I also agree that having WRs who didn’t catch a single pass negatively impacts his ability to succeed and Kotelnicki’s ability to game plan. ND’s WRs are nothing special but even they had several catches on 50/50 balls (tell me the last time any of Penn State’s WRs caught a 50/50 ball). Allar would NOT be a Top 10 draft pick had he declared for the draft this year. He made a smart decision returning this year.
Yep, and again Allar made a bad throw to singleton at the goal line and missed him on a wheel route.
 
This is not rocket science. No one is comparing pros to college. I am comparing an excellent pro quarterback to his peers and an excellent college quarterback to his peers. The point I am making is that both are still excellent quarterbacks even after having had bad high stakes games. Logic doesn’t seem to be your super power, so I will move on.
It's very logical you're comparing different people at different levels. Pro quarterbacks obviously are at a higher level than college quarterbacks. Drew Allar might not have the ability to succeed at the pros, it is possible this is his ceiling because he hasn't proved himself at the pro level yet. You cannot compare high school to college in college to the pros and dress and more conclusions.

You're the one that needs to crash course in logic, not me.
 
Are you watching the Chargers game? Herbert is one of the premier quarterbacks in the NFL. He’s not having a good day.
For Allar he is elite in arm strength and body type he is not elite in footwork or accuracy. But the pro's will salivate over his testing numbers. Come meat market time he will do very well.
 
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I am an Allar supporter but he had a bad game. Period. Herbert threw 4 picks yesterday and has played several years in the NFL. Allar is still 20 years old. I also agree that having WRs who didn’t catch a single pass negatively impacts his ability to succeed and Kotelnicki’s ability to game plan. ND’s WRs are nothing special but even they had several catches on 50/50 balls (tell me the last time any of Penn State’s WRs caught a 50/50 ball). Allar would NOT be a Top 10 draft pick had he declared for the draft this year. He made a smart decision returning this year.
And again...no one said he didn't have a bad game. This is what I don't get. No one is saying that he did.
Allar goes no lower than the Giants. They need a QB. Daboll coached Allen and sees that upside. There's a reason it was confirmed that teams were contacting his agent. It wasn't out of boredm. They see the upside and want to untap it.

How does Allar improve next year with this supporting cast. He's losing the only reliable target he had. I like Reynolds and Dinkins but they combined aren't Warren.
 
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