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Can PSU field an AA at 125 in 2019

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lots of banter of guys moving up and away from Spencer; Lizak, Jersey Boy, either Picc or Fix, Moisey, etc.

IF those happen, then 125 clears out significantly with the graduations of NaTO, Cruz & bresser

leaves guys, like Fausz, Lamont, Rivera, Millhof, etc

just seems like its a weight where we could sneak in and runnout with an AA

Thoughts?
 
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I’m far from an expert but right now it just seems to me Teske will get pushed around and needs a year to add strength. I would really like to see Teasdale at 125 while Teske takes a redshirt. Could Teasdale do it without wearing down/gassing from cutting weight?
 
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I think they’d like to Redshirt Teske. Which leaves Tisdale. Bravo Young expected to be 133.
 
Heaven only knows. I can't even provide a guess till I see a bit of Teasdale or Teske (I'm guessing Teasdale) against college competition. Anything is possible...
 
Is Piccinni going to beat out Brock at 133? He was a red shirt Sophomore this year. Got to believe Fix is the starter at 125 next year. If Tom Tam is getting a transfer Maybe its him.
 
mopsu1 said:
Is Piccinni going to beat out Brock at 133? He was a red shirt Sophomore this year. Got to believe Fix is the starter at 125 next year. If Tom Tam is getting a transfer Maybe its him.
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125 Pitch
133 Fix
141 Brock or Gfeller
149 Gfeller or Lewallen or Martinez
 
To put this into context:
- Graduating: AAs Tomasello, Cruz, Rios, Schram; non-AAs Welch, Mendez, Bundaka, McGhee.
- Returning AAs: 1 Lee, 2 Cruiseliner Nick, 4 Lizak, 6 Rivera, 8 Moisey, Piccininni (2017-4), Russell (2017-7), Millhof (2016-7)
- Returning R12: Hayes, Lamont, Piccininni; Fausz (2017), Hudkins (2017)
(This is as deep as I'll go into past bracket placemnet.)
- Next 4: Mattin, Millhof, Piotrowski, Russell
- 1-2: Fausz, Hudkins, Mendez, Norstrem, Brown, McGee, Oliver, Townsell
- 0-2: Curry, Wert, Allen, Bianchi, Foley, Moody, Schwarm
- Previous qualifiers: Macri, Baughman, Gromacki, Akins, Bentley
- Shirts: Parker, Fleetwood, Laney. (Ignoring Fix, cancels out Piccininni)
- Incoming FR: Glory (if he goes 125). Most top recruits will likely shirt.

That's 8 returning AAs + 4 more bloodround guys. Parker is a legit podium threat. Mattin wore down as the season dragged on; if he adjusts, he's also a podium threat.

IMO Teasdale might be able to slip onto the podium. Guessing Teske would get horsed a little.

Of course this depends on the usual true freshman caveats: 7 minute matches, wear and tear from longer seasons, stronger opponents, getting off bottom, etc.
 
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El-Jefe said:
To put this into context:
- Graduating: AAs Tomasello, Cruz, Rios, Schram; non-AAs Welch, Mendez, Bundaka, McGhee.
- Returning AAs: 1 Lee, 2 Cruiseliner Nick, 4 Lizak, 6 Rivera, 8 Moisey, Piccininni (2017-4), Russell (2017-7), Millhof (2016-7)
- Returning R12: Hayes, Lamont, Piccininni; Fausz (2017), Hudkins (2017)
(This is as deep as I'll go into past bracket placemnet.)
- Next 4: Mattin, Millhof, Piotrowski, Russell
- 1-2: Fausz, Hudkins, Mendez, Norstrem, Brown, McGee, Oliver, Townsell
- 0-2: Curry, Wert, Allen, Bianchi, Foley, Moody, Schwarm
- Previous qualifiers: Macri, Baughman, Gromacki, Akins, Bentley
- Shirts: Parker, Fleetwood, Laney. (Ignoring Fix, cancels out Piccininni)
- Incoming FR: Glory (if he goes 125). Most top recruits will likely shirt.

That's 8 returning AAs + 4 more bloodround guys. Parker is a legit podium threat. Mattin wore down as the season dragged on; if he adjusts, he's also a podium threat.

IMO Teasdale might be able to slip onto the podium. Guessing Teske would get horsed a little.

Of course this depends on the usual true freshman caveats: 7 minute matches, wear and tear from longer seasons, stronger opponents, getting off bottom, etc.
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I've watched a ton of wrestlers over the years and I have to say this Teske strikes me as something special. With his motor and heart and his ability to improve ( high ceiling) I think Cael turns him into a beast. Mark it down this kid will be better then most are giving him credit for .when it's all said and done Iowa fans will regret letting him get away
 
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I love me some Teske, but Iowa has a decent 125 (some Lee guy) who should fill in ok until a better one comes along. ISU already regrets Teske getting away. He trained in the ISU room last Spring and was very close to becoming a Cyclone. Teske left of his own choice (who could blame him?) when Cael wanted him it was over for ISU. He does have a huge motor,will be a career 125, and the ceiling is high but he probably needs a redshirt before entering AA conversations. I wish ISU could have landed Teske or Thompsen but we let both of these young 125 guys get away. I and other Clone fans are full of regret already.
 
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johnstownsteel said:
I’m far from an expert but right now it just seems to me Teske will get pushed around and needs a year to add strength. I would really like to see Teasdale at 125 while Teske takes a redshirt. Could Teasdale do it without wearing down/gassing from cutting weight?
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Hopefully Cael and company can get Teasdale on a nutrition program that will allow him to wrestle at 125 for one more year.
 
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PSUoh90 said:
What are the question marks with Teasdale? Why has his stock fallen this year? He finished a 4-time state champ, no?
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He lost 3 matches this year I believe..Who's number 1 vs Glory, lost to Bartlett and lost to another guy. He hasn't dominated like he did in the past. Some people say it's the weight cut, some other theories floating around.

IMO..I'm still super high on him. He can get to the legs on anyone and I have no doubt he will get the best coaching to hone his skills this offseason.

I wouldn't count out him or RBY being on podium next March..I actually expect it..
 
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District four said:
I've watched a ton of wrestlers over the years and I have to say this Teske strikes me as something special. With his motor and heart and his ability to improve ( high ceiling) I think Cael turns him into a beast. Mark it down this kid will be better then most are giving him credit for .when it's all said and done Iowa fans will regret letting him get away
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Yep.
 
Think 125 clearing out makes it worse on PSU short term. RBY would have had a better chance to AA
 
LemonPie said:
Think 125 clearing out makes it worse on PSU short term. RBY would have had a better chance to AA
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thats something I was thinking when I started this thread. Do you find the best 125 so you get an AA with the weight kind of clearing out. Then sit RBY for the year and send someone else out there.

Early look says we have points to play with in 2019. 2020 is shaping up to be a great season, especially if tOSU RS their studs in 2019 for a run when NNN are gone.
 
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He lost 3 matches this year I believe..Who's number 1 vs Glory, lost to Bartlett and lost to another guy. He hasn't dominated like he did in the past. Some people say it's the weight cut, some other theories floating around.

IMO..I'm still super high on him. He can get to the legs on anyone and I have no doubt he will get the best coaching to hone his skills this offseason.

I wouldn't count out him or RBY being on podium next March..I actually expect it..
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He’s also double A, he’s a special talent but to me it seems the field has closed the gap on him. He beat a kid from Saucon Valley in the finals they gave him all he wanted. And when it was over he had a look of relief on his eyes. He needs to rediscover his love for wrestling before he succeeds in the B10 and national stage
 
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pish69 said:
He lost 3 matches this year I believe..Who's number 1 vs Glory, lost to Bartlett and lost to another guy. He hasn't dominated like he did in the past. Some people say it's the weight cut, some other theories floating around.

IMO..I'm still super high on him. He can get to the legs on anyone and I have no doubt he will get the best coaching to hone his skills this offseason.

I wouldn't count out him or RBY being on podium next March..I actually expect it..
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The 3rd guy was a 138 who dropped to 132 in a tourney where Teasdale bumped up from 126.
 
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When do Teske, RBY & Teasdale all arrived on campus ?

June ? July ? Late Aug ?

Have to figure if someone enrolls in summer class and starts rolling in the room in June, they might have an edge over the others to be on a nutrition plan to be ready by November.

Letting Teasdale RS to take a break & get his mind right could be the best tonic for him moving forward.


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Maybe Pyles will ask Cael what his plan is ?? :oops:
 
If Teasdale can get his mind and body right, I think he can be a mid to low AA. He will have to correct whatever mental or physical obstacles he was dealing with this year though. He just didn't look the same as past years. I'm excited to see what he can do.
 
That's 8 returning AAs + 4 more bloodround guys. Parker is a legit podium threat. Mattin wore down as the season dragged on; if he adjusts, he's also a podium threat.

As always, great data Jefe. Would anyone compare this depth to 141 this year? If so, (and I think it is similar) given Nick Lee's result, it seems possible Teasdale can AA. Does Nick have an advantage over any true incoming freshman since he spent an entire year in the room plus the first half of this season? It would seem so but can that be overcome by someone like Teasdale and/or RBY? They both seem special and as someone stated by taking summer class maybe they get a few extra months in the room. I have seen a trend recently in multiple sports where at the end of a spectacular high school career elite athletes are ready for a scene change. They do enjoy it less, feel the pressure and often perform at a level a bit below expected. Maybe Gavin had some of that this year. I am curious if Nick moves up to avoid Spencer Lee? I'd argue he is stuck either way, staying or moving up. At 125, I don't see Nick closing the gap and as Spencer will only get better and more precise on his feet. Micic and Gross await him at 133, ouch. Fix will be in there at one of these weights. Great matches to look forward to next year either way.
 
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Letting Teasdale RS to take a break & get his mind right could be the best tonic for him moving forward.
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I honestly think Teasdale will be 141 pounder by his sophomore year. He will be a 4 time AA and probably win it a few times.
 
dms87 said:
That's 8 returning AAs + 4 more bloodround guys. Parker is a legit podium threat. Mattin wore down as the season dragged on; if he adjusts, he's also a podium threat.

As always, great data Jefe. Would anyone compare this depth to 141 this year? If so, (and I think it is similar) given Nick Lee's result, it seems possible Teasdale can AA. Does Nick have an advantage over any true incoming freshman since he spent an entire year in the room plus the first half of this season? It would seem so but can that be overcome by someone like Teasdale and/or RBY? They both seem special and as someone stated by taking summer class maybe they get a few extra months in the room. I have seen a trend recently in multiple sports where at the end of a spectacular high school career elite athletes are ready for a scene change. They do enjoy it less, feel the pressure and often perform at a level a bit below expected. Maybe Gavin had some of that this year. I am curious if Nick moves up to avoid Spencer Lee? I'd argue he is stuck either way, staying or moving up. At 125, I don't see Nick closing the gap and as Spencer will only get better and more precise on his feet. Micic and Gross await him at 133, ouch. Fix will be in there at one of these weights. Great matches to look forward to next year either way.
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Flattery will get you everywhere.

Adding onto this about Teasdale: Zain won his B10 and NCAA finals 2-0 and 6-2, yet nobody's saying "OMG what's wrong with Zain?? !!". I get the difference with Zain, but the point is still the same: sometimes the opponent wrestles to minimize damage, and you take the win and move on.

I do think the state finals gave Teasdale something to work on in the PSU room, how to score on a strong opponent committed to blocking and countering. Teasdale figured out real time how to win anyway. That's not a bad thing.

One more thought: we are probably overthinking "mental issues" regarding that state finals match. Every year at Hershey, a number of clearly favored SRs wrestle more conservatively than usual in their last state finals -- and it doesn't matter if it's their first gold or not. Happened with at least 4 other guys this year, 3 (or more) were returning champs.
 
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Lets pretend you're Cael for a moment. At the 2019 Southern Scuffle all three lightweights still have their redshirts and all three are out-horsed and place in the 4-8 range. But we blow the field away with great results at 41,49,57,65,74,84,97 and heavy. We have a dang good chance to win nationals with our 8 scoring wrestlers. Do you keep the shirt on all three lightweights or sacrifice one of the three with a chance of little to no points for nationals?
 
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Lets pretend you're Cael for a moment. At the 2019 Southern Scuffle all three lightweights still have their redshirts and all three are out-horsed and place in the 4-8 range. But we blow the field away with great results at 41,49,57,65,74,84,97 and heavy. We have a dang good chance to win nationals with our 8 scoring wrestlers. Do you keep the shirt on all three lightweights or sacrifice one of the three with a chance of little to no points for nationals?
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Keep there RS on!
 
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Lets pretend you're Cael for a moment. At the 2019 Southern Scuffle all three lightweights still have their redshirts and all three are out-horsed and place in the 4-8 range. But we blow the field away with great results at 41,49,57,65,74,84,97 and heavy. We have a dang good chance to win nationals with our 8 scoring wrestlers. Do you keep the shirt on all three lightweights or sacrifice one of the three with a chance of little to no points for nationals?
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Is that fair to Devin Schnupp who needs two years to add size to his frame, maybe more than anyone?
 
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Lets pretend you're Cael for a moment. At the 2019 Southern Scuffle all three lightweights still have their redshirts and all three are out-horsed and place in the 4-8 range. But we blow the field away with great results at 41,49,57,65,74,84,97 and heavy. We have a dang good chance to win nationals with our 8 scoring wrestlers. Do you keep the shirt on all three lightweights or sacrifice one of the three with a chance of little to no points for nationals?
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I posted this before Ill probably post it again, right up to the point where the more likely scenario plays out.

that said, I could see where schnupp or one of the other 125 guys get the go to start the season. leave the RS on the incoming guys and let them travel the east coast to tourneys to bang it out and get some action in.

then you have the wrestle offs to combine with these results.

finally you take the best of the RSs and the guys going for the duals to the SS and let them battle it out.

our beginning schedule is usually not that tough, lets be honest. Lehigh is usually the toughest early dual and they will be trying out a new starter. we have been going to keystone lately and thats not exactly Vegas...
 
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Lets pretend you're Cael for a moment. At the 2019 Southern Scuffle all three lightweights still have their redshirts and all three are out-horsed and place in the 4-8 range. But we blow the field away with great results at 41,49,57,65,74,84,97 and heavy. We have a dang good chance to win nationals with our 8 scoring wrestlers. Do you keep the shirt on all three lightweights or sacrifice one of the three with a chance of little to no points for nationals?
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We have a roster tangle no matter what -- and even moreso if we land McHenry (which will be known before the Scuffle). Probably best to not kick that can down the road by shirting all of them for the full season.

And disagree with that Scuffle result equating to "little to no points for nationals." That's a possibility but not the only one, need more info. Hughes finished 5th Scuffle, 6th nationals. DeSanto and Bernstein both finished 6th Scuffle, R12 nationals; DeSanto beat the Scuffle champ in Cleveland.
 
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Is that fair to Devin Schnupp who needs two years to add size to his frame, maybe more than anyone?
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I think it's very fair to Schnupp. I love his fight and heart, but IMO his best chance of being a starter again is this coming year with the others RSing.
 
BRETTPSU said:
Lets pretend you're Cael for a moment. At the 2019 Southern Scuffle all three lightweights still have their redshirts and all three are out-horsed and place in the 4-8 range. But we blow the field away with great results at 41,49,57,65,74,84,97 and heavy. We have a dang good chance to win nationals with our 8 scoring wrestlers. Do you keep the shirt on all three lightweights or sacrifice one of the three with a chance of little to no points for nationals?
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No

With 3 guys at 2 weights, plus Busiello on the way, Cael will be able to dovetail their RS and keep us competitive at the lightweights throughout.
 
Based upon history, they are going to have a very good idea what they are going to do before the season starts and the preparation for a successful post-season will have already begun.
 
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