Can we rely on the stats at HUDL?

[N&B4PSU]

if so, it's safe to say that dwumfour could turn out to be a great pick-up (squat at 505)... once he gets into our S&C routine... curious where his bench is just now, but he passed my "looks test" at the B33 photo shoot.

Both Colon and Jordan look like guys who will really benefit from being in a great S&C program. Here are a select few.. really like how things are shaping up. so to speak...

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2556144/michael-dwumfour

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2423612/christian-colon

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2423612/ellison-jordon

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2910683/connor-mcgovern

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1713086/miles-sanders

 

[sluggo72]

if so, it's safe to say that dwumfour could turn out to be a great pick-up (squat at 505)... once he gets into our S&C routine... curious where his bench is just now, but he passed my "looks test" at the B33 photo shoot.

Both Colon and Jordan look like guys who will really benefit from being in a great S&C program. Here are a select few.. really like how things are shaping up. so to speak...

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2556144/michael-dwumfour

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2423612/christian-colon

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2423612/ellison-jordon

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2910683/connor-mcgovern

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1713086/miles-sanders

I would never rely on any of those stats. But why would you want to !???? If you've seen him play. Watched his film had them in camp. You should know by looking

 

[N&B4PSU]

I would never rely on any of those stats. But why would you want to !???? If you've seen him play. Watched his film had them in camp. You should know by looking

well, I personally haven't seen any of them play against B1G competition, haven't had them in my camp, and the video film is against high schoolers.. so all i have are the looks test and the stats. none of it detracts from my perspective that franklin and staff are doing the right thing.. but as someone who has been following this team since the 60s, i admit to getting jazzed seeing kids of size who are putting up solid numbers before they set foot on the field. all of them have a full year of ball ahead and will grow accordingly, so i am really excited by where these kids could wind up.

 

[phantom]

if so, it's safe to say that dwumfour could turn out to be a great pick-up (squat at 505)... once he gets into our S&C routine... curious where his bench is just now, but he passed my "looks test" at the B33 photo shoot.

Both Colon and Jordan look like guys who will really benefit from being in a great S&C program. Here are a select few.. really like how things are shaping up. so to speak...

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2556144/michael-dwumfour

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2423612/christian-colon

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2423612/ellison-jordon

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2910683/connor-mcgovern

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1713086/miles-sanders

Short answer, no.

 

[sluggo72]

well, I personally haven't seen any of them play against B1G competition, haven't had them in my camp, and the video film is against high schoolers.. so all i have are the looks test and the stats. none of it detracts from my perspective that franklin and staff are doing the right thing.. but as someone who has been following this team since the 60s, i admit to getting jazzed seeing kids of size who are putting up solid numbers before they set foot on the field. all of them have a full year of ball ahead and will grow accordingly, so i am really excited by where these kids could wind up.

My point is ,,, you can't evaluate a player off hudl stats. You hAve to find those on your own (as a college coach). That's all

 

[N&B4PSU]

My point is ,,, you can't evaluate a player off hudl stats. You hAve to find those on your own (as a college coach). That's all

well, then yes. of course you can't. but you can judge a player's athletic abilities on their stats (kinda like the pros do.. and frankly, kinda like coaches in cfb do.. they just have other tools that we don't).. and determine whether they have the primary abilities to play at the next level. Stars, btw, are in part based on those stats. Stats do not measure heart nor do they determine ability to play under pressure or catch the high hard one or understand blocking schemes or.. well, you get it.

but you need to be fast enough and strong enough to play at this level. If you go back a few years you'll recall that we were bringing in players who were severely handicapped physically and clearly not ready to play at the next level. And those players were quickly exposed by bigger, stronger, faster players (need we be reminded of rob renes and how he destroyed our OL?)... all I'm saying is that with another year of training, a lot of these kids appear quite ready to contribute. Whether they have the other tools I leave to Franklin and his men.. but I am more than qualified to interpret whether or not a young man is physically gifted enough to take it up a notch or 3.

that's where those stats come in. are they accurate? well, the numbers come from somewhere... on visual inspection alone, i'm pretty comfortable they're not far from the mark. so i feel pretty good about the class being brought in.

 

[sluggo72]

are they accurate? well, the numbers come from somewhere

most times the HS coach makes them up. Thats why its good to see them in camp. Thats why the pros have a combine. If it where all based on state Dom Raggone (sp?) would have had multiple D1 offers from power 5 conferences.

 

[OMPats13]

offensive numbers are probably more accurate than defensive. Maybe yards are off a bit but yards are generally easy to figure out. Defensive stats for tackles are ridiculous. Our first year of coaching, our staff the went to the all district meeting and we had 2 good LBs (from a 10-2 team) who almost didnt make it because their stats were legit while others werent. It was there that we found out coaches were giving any kid who jumped on a pile a tackle, 3 or 4 kids would get credit on the same play. Not just an assisted tackle either, they came in and said, "Johnny had 125 tackles", we would ask how many solo and assisted, they would just say, "it's 125 total, we dont do solo or assist." Our best two guys were in the 80's around 60 solo plus 40 or so assisted. No one else but else counted assisted as half tackles (Hudl does do this), and after viewing film of this specific team, we saw that they gave tackles to the closest defender when an opposing player would run out of bounds on their own or be marked down after a slip. Also they would counted tackles for their defense even after they accepted an offensive penalty to negate the play.

 

[phantom]

most times the HS coach makes them up. Thats why its good to see them in camp. Thats why the pros have a combine. If it where all based on state Dom Raggone (sp?) would have had multiple D1 offers from power 5 conferences.

Some make them up but most don't. They time but it's hand-timing, which leaves a wide margin for error and times faster then electronic, then they'll round it off so that a 4.69 becomes a 4.6. Recruiters know that so they don't trust times, heights, weights, bench presses or anything that don't see with their own eyes.