children and marijuana.
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What about aspirin ODs since aspirin became legal. Alcohol poisoning since the end of prohibition? I bet kids get electrocuted more often in countries with electricity than those without it. Not positive about this one...but more kids die in auto accidents in the U.S. per capita than in Burma , I have been told.
Wonder what the rate of oxycodone abuse is in children of oxycodone users?
WTF?
Amazing that so much money and human resources are spent on discovering the obvious and already known.
Also amazing to me that hemp has been singled out from all other natural sources of pharmaceuticals in mans universe for such ridiculous scrutiny.
One of the most significant studies of marijuana was undertaken about a decade ago and identified metropolitan markets wherein the weed that is sold is most often not weed but other dried plant foliage with traces of meth...crack...heroin etc.... and .....Houston....Dallas etc the majority of what was thought to be pure weed was not.....
Now there was some research with potential...which everyone ignored. Go Figure!
Also amazing to me that hemp has been singled out from all other natural sources of pharmaceuticals in mans universe for such ridiculous scrutiny.
One of the most significant studies of marijuana was undertaken about a decade ago and identified metropolitan markets wherein the weed that is sold is most often not weed but other dried plant foliage with traces of meth...crack...heroin etc.... and .....Houston....Dallas etc the majority of what was thought to be pure weed was not.....
Now there was some research with potential...which everyone ignored. Go Figure!
Well then I guess it's okay that there is yet another contributor for people being admitted to the hospital and adding to the cost of healtcare for NO good reason. Eh, just another add to the long lines in the waiting rooms.
What is absolutely dumbfounding is that people state that mj is no worse that acholol. Yeah alcholol has done so much good for this Nation. Why is it that people don't cite alcohol as a reason not to accept mj or any other mind alterating drug into the marketplace.
No good reason? I guess you're unaware of cannabis cream. You use this stuff like Bengay, except it actually works. It's like a magic erasure for pain. And no, it's not some cream that makes the pain go away because you get high. It only contains trace amounts of THC. The active ingredients are 'cannabinoids' (or something like that).
'After Medical Marijuana Legalized, Medicare Prescriptions Drop For Many Drugs'
http://www.npr.org/sections/health-...ed-medicare-prescriptions-drop-for-many-drugs
http://www.npr.org/sections/health-...ed-medicare-prescriptions-drop-for-many-drugs
Well then, that's justification for adding children (and adults) to the waiting lines in waiting rooms, in hospitals and in intensive care. Looks like justification to me.
You are an irrational jack off. Every substance in the universe is harm
You are a typical hysterical jack off.I suppose we should ban all acids and bases...all radio active isotopes....all granite counter tops.... all rocks with radon.
You jerkoffs amaze me. When does knowledge....responsibility and rationality ever come into the picture in your distorted world.
Over 90% of drug offenders and abusers use pharmaceuticals ....close the pharmacies right. Get f'ing real....
Oh here we go again; someone disagrees with you so let's see if you can wave him/her off with ad hominens. "this guy must be silenced with insults". Nope, not with me; I'm only silenced by logic and your "logic" is overwhelmed by your attacks.
The facts of the story are that kids are being admitted to hospitals, ICUs in greater numbers because of mj. If you think that's a good thing, insult away. You only hurt your own argument.
Also, I don't think the kids being admitted to hospitals are "abusers". I think they are accidently being exposed to mj. However since you brought up pharmiceutiicals and abuse, I have been diabetic since at least 1999 and I do not use one drug - none. Drugs are dangerous - there's a statistic that over 108,000 folks die of properly perscribed drugs each year.
Yep and they never are admitted to hospitals for Oxycodone use....car accidents.....
I don't take drugs either........ apparently you can't read.... ....
I clearly stated that Pharmaceuticals (legal drugs) kill many young people....
The premise of you and the original poster appear to support is that we can protect the irresponsible and those they are responsible to protect from the dangers in life regardless what they are. I say BS..... and you have no argument against that....except to improperly use words in your tirades....
An idiot is an idiot. Accept it and get over it, after all, it is your existence.
Well then, that's justification for adding children (and adults) to the waiting lines in waiting rooms, in hospitals and in intensive care. Looks like justification to me.
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"Yep and they never are admitted to hospitals for Oxycodone use....car accidents....."
What in Hell does that have to do with admitting kids to hospitals and ICUs? I have stated that this is yet another add to health care costs.
"I don't take drugs either........ apparently you can't read.... ...."
Actually, I pride myself on reading and I went back and reread your posts and didn't see where you stated "I don't take drugs". Maybe it's you that hs a communication problem!
"I clearly stated that Pharmaceuticals (legal drugs) kill many young people...."
You stated "Over 90% of drug offenders and abusers use pharmaceuticals" I stated that 108,000 people die from using properly perscribed drugs which has nothing to do with abuse of drugs.
"The premise of you and the original poster appear to support is that we can protect the irresponsible and those they are responsible to protect from the dangers in life regardless what they are"
Maybe it's you who has trouble reading. I am talking about kids who I doubt are misusing drugs since the article clearly stated they were talking of those under the age of ten.
".except to improperly use words in your tirades...."
My "tirades"? That word comes a lot closer to describing your posts than mine!
"An idiot is an idiot. Accept it and get over it, after all, it is your existence."
Ah, yet another insult: I'll bet you're a Hell of a debater.
There is still no evidence that you are a sentient and rational being with reading comprehension within your mental grasp.
There are over 100 incidents of accidental consumption of prescribed medication and overdoses by children in the Amish community within the greater Lancaster, PA area each year.
Responsibility by adults with oversight over children is the issue.... You can twist like an earthworm on a hook.... but you can't get off that hook.
There are over 100 incidents of accidental consumption of prescribed medication and overdoses by children in the Amish community within the greater Lancaster, PA area each year.
Responsibility by adults with oversight over children is the issue.... You can twist like an earthworm on a hook.... but you can't get off that hook.
Hemp plants contain a variety of cannabinoid compounds, one of which is THC. Humans have receptors for these in the brain.
What bugs me about the pro pot crowd are the anecdotal claims for it - " It cures everythimg from cancer to baldness and is good for colicky babies ! " along with the denial of any adverse effects. How many other meds can make such claims, and how many other meds do you have to smoke to derive a benefit ?
I would really like to see pot taken apart and demystified.
"There is still no evidence that you are a sentient and rational being with reading comprehension with in your mental grasp."
Yet another insult, I think; I'm still trying to decipher that sentence.
"There are over 100 incidents of accidental consumption of prescribed medication and overdoses by children in the Amish community within the greater Lancaster, PA area each year."
Which has nothing to do with kids under ten years of age being admitted to hospitals for mj reactions!
"Responsibility by adults with oversight over children is the issue.... You can twist like an earthworm on a hook.... but you can't get off that hook."
I'm willing to let the readers of this thread decide which one of us is like an earthworm on a hook!
If you really want that, then the first step is removing the ridiculous schedule 1 classification that makes studying the drug so difficult.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/health/alzheimers-medical-marijuana/
Medical marijuana has potential as Alzheimer's treatment, study says
Could medical marijuana treat Alzheimer's patients? One recent study found THC, the psychoactive ingredient in cannabis, stimulates the removal of toxic plaque in the brain, a common feature of the disease. Furthermore, the researchers discovered it blocks inflammation, which damages neurons in the brain.
"It is reasonable to conclude that there is a therapeutic potential of cannabinoids for the treatment of Alzheimer's disease," wrote David Schubert, senior researcher and a professor at Salk Institute for Biological Studies.
Just wanted to add this little factoid I saw this morning. Young children are 134 times more likely to be poisoned by eating diaper cream than they are to be poisoned by accidentally ingesting marijuana. And diaper cream is a lot more serious to deal with. Weed -- pretty much they keep the kids hydrated and they sleep it off and are fine the next day. Not that it's a trivial thing -- of course it's an awful thing to have kids poisoned in any way. But weed is actually less dangerous than most household substances toddlers ingest.
You could start by learning that isn't the only way to derive a benefit. Can you talk about all of these other great long usage drugs like Alcohol or pain killers? Those that are legal and can be taken in pill form or drank and are an absolute epidemic in this country.
When people want an aspirin, they don't go out and scrape the inner bark of a walnut tree. I would like to see the various compounds in the female buds of the hemp plant isolated and studied like anything else imstead of having people smoke the whole thing. Find out which cannabinoids do what. Crazy, I know.
I get the sense that a lot of people want to see marijuana made legal for reasons that have absolutley nothing to do with potential medical benefit. I also think that allowing for the placebo aspect of marijuana in testing is more difficult when people are smoking it and getting high from it.
Marinol is one example of what I am asking for. It works for some people but hasn't been the huge success many predicted.
It's none of your business if someone wants to smoke weed and get high. Thankfully people are starting to ignore busybodies like you and just doing what's right. This fall it will become legal for another 30+ million people when California legalizes recreational MJ. Hopefully the dominoes will begin to tumble after that and it becomes legal nationwide.
It becomes everybody's business when that person gets behind the wheel of a car, goes to a job stoned where he can hurt people or decides to share it with his teenage kids. The same is true with alcohol, prescription drugs.
Tell me, do you think all drugs should be legal ? And when I say all drugs, I mean everything. If not, why ?
Well, you tell me, should all things which are dangerous if done irresponsibly be made illegal? Driving irresponsibly causes thousands of deaths. Do we ban driving? Clearly we're safer if driving is banned, so should we? Of course not.
I choose freedom. Punish those who abuse it by putting others at risk, but otherwise allow people to choose their own path.
I think every sane society debates where to draw limits. People often don't like to think about legalization collateral in concrete terms, but more people will die on the highways in states after marijuana becomes recreationally legalized. It is already happening. There is comparable data. So how many additional highway deaths per state have to occur before recreational legalization is seen as a bad idea ? What is the number ?
So you want prohibition back? Has making it illegal stopped anyone from trying it? How many more college kids have to die from alcohol overdose before we bring back prohibition? Thankfully the reefer madness propaganda generation is dying off because they are the only ones really thinking weed is a scary drug. Alcohol is clearly worse but legal so people accepted it.
Where did I say I wanted prohibition ?
Do you disagree that legalizing pot for recreational use will result in more highway deaths ? If you don't disagree, how many more deaths per year is acceptable to have it recreationally legal ?
If you are in favor of legalizing drugs for recreational purposes, where should the line be drawn, if there is a line ?
So you are ok with all the alcohol deaths which are through the roof? Isn't that convenient. Has making weed illegal stopped it from being used by millions already. It's going to be legal soon enough. Thankfully the last few generations can actually call out the BS being put out there for generations.
There are 10,000 medicinal herbs you can buy, and another 10,000 nutritional supplements. Nobody says, ban chamomile tea and throw tea drinkers in jail and instead have some drug company make sleeping pills based on the constituent chemicals. Nobody says, ban fish oil or vitamin pills until somebody proves it is actually beneficial.
For 45 years now the federal government has had this idiotic policy toward marijuana, throwing millions of people into jail and essentially throwing them out of the productive workforce -- and for what? To save the youth from marijuana? It's been a total fiasco. Kids have an easier time getting pot than alcohol. Meanwhile, in the absence of the simple pain-killing effect that weed provides for some (but not all) people, the government and the medical industry have pushed pills based on opium poppies that are 1000 times more dangerous and addictive -- so we get 26,000 deaths a year. Pot is very good at CERTAIN KINDS of pain relief -- it's not good for all kinds of pain. But if people were allowed to use it, it would reduce opioid use and save lives. In Washington and Colorado, opioid use has gone DOWN.
Meanwhile, the National Drug Czar (required to be anti-marijuana by statute) still controls and generally prevents research into medical uses. Until just a couple of years ago the only way a scientist could study marijuana was to pretty much promise that the purpose of the study was to prove it was harmful. So we have 40 years of research that is largely garbage, propaganda. If you want to actually read real science about marijuana, you have to go to Israel or the Netherlands -- and fwiw there is PLENTY of research backing medical benefits from epilepsy to Alzheimer's.
Washington is broken, paralyzed, and because of that, drug policy is not going to be fixed in our lifetimes.
In the absence of reform, the last thing we need is Big Pharma taking over marijuana and making it into prescription drugs that cost $500 a pill.
What we should have is legal marijuana, and that way if Big Pharma makes pills, it had better make them at some reasonable cost if it wants to sell any.
BTW, there are pretty much two compounds in Marijuana -- it's not that complicated. It's THC and CBD. They have different effects and benefits. CBD is the thing that, in oil form, has been a miracle drug for certain brain and nervous system diseases.
As for placebo effect, no doubt that's the case but again, if somebody is getting placebo effect pain relief from smoking a joint, why do you want to throw them in jail and then, when they get out of jail, force them to buy prescription pain medicine. If it works for them, what's the harm?
This is a crazy time we live in, with 1000 serious problems. So why are people so hostile to weed and people who want to smoke weed? It causes almost no problems and kills virtually no one. Whatever happen to the government staying out of people's private lives? Whatever happened to letting people pursue happiness without the goverment in their homes telling them what they can't do.
It's just simple hate, I can't think of any other explanation.
For 45 years now the federal government has had this idiotic policy toward marijuana, throwing millions of people into jail and essentially throwing them out of the productive workforce -- and for what? To save the youth from marijuana? It's been a total fiasco. Kids have an easier time getting pot than alcohol. Meanwhile, in the absence of the simple pain-killing effect that weed provides for some (but not all) people, the government and the medical industry have pushed pills based on opium poppies that are 1000 times more dangerous and addictive -- so we get 26,000 deaths a year. Pot is very good at CERTAIN KINDS of pain relief -- it's not good for all kinds of pain. But if people were allowed to use it, it would reduce opioid use and save lives. In Washington and Colorado, opioid use has gone DOWN.
Meanwhile, the National Drug Czar (required to be anti-marijuana by statute) still controls and generally prevents research into medical uses. Until just a couple of years ago the only way a scientist could study marijuana was to pretty much promise that the purpose of the study was to prove it was harmful. So we have 40 years of research that is largely garbage, propaganda. If you want to actually read real science about marijuana, you have to go to Israel or the Netherlands -- and fwiw there is PLENTY of research backing medical benefits from epilepsy to Alzheimer's.
Washington is broken, paralyzed, and because of that, drug policy is not going to be fixed in our lifetimes.
In the absence of reform, the last thing we need is Big Pharma taking over marijuana and making it into prescription drugs that cost $500 a pill.
What we should have is legal marijuana, and that way if Big Pharma makes pills, it had better make them at some reasonable cost if it wants to sell any.
BTW, there are pretty much two compounds in Marijuana -- it's not that complicated. It's THC and CBD. They have different effects and benefits. CBD is the thing that, in oil form, has been a miracle drug for certain brain and nervous system diseases.
As for placebo effect, no doubt that's the case but again, if somebody is getting placebo effect pain relief from smoking a joint, why do you want to throw them in jail and then, when they get out of jail, force them to buy prescription pain medicine. If it works for them, what's the harm?
This is a crazy time we live in, with 1000 serious problems. So why are people so hostile to weed and people who want to smoke weed? It causes almost no problems and kills virtually no one. Whatever happen to the government staying out of people's private lives? Whatever happened to letting people pursue happiness without the goverment in their homes telling them what they can't do.
It's just simple hate, I can't think of any other explanation.
Where did I say I was OK with alcohol deaths related to driving ? How about you ? Are you " OK " with the increase in highway deaths resulting from legalized pot ?
Why is it every time I ask this question I never get an answer ?
Actually, there is already data that shows more people are getting killed on highways in states where recreational marijuana is allowed. Do you dispute this ? Why is this such a surprise ? The assertion that it " causes almost no problems and kills virtually no one " is demonstrably false.
The level of emotion in the responses I've been getting for even questioning the legalization of recreational pot is really quite dramatic. I'd guess some people have a lot of skin in the game.
It's all over the place and it's not just the typical 'burnout' kids doing it either as it was back when I was a kid in the 60's/70's. Nowadays it's kids that are straight A students that think it's cool to try and have been influenced by popular culture in the movies and changing state laws where it's being decriminalized
This is bs Colorado is having way more idiots causing traffic issues with texting than any issues with mj. I know I drive here everyday and continually try to avoid them when they serve in my lane while texting and being distracted.m
Alcohol is a drug. Why are you ok with it? 80 years ago the US Government put out a pot propaganda film full of false facts and lies to brains wash a generation or two. The film said you are addicted after one use. It makes you crazy instantly. It went on and on and on with lies. Now you see it starting to become legal around this country because people know better and know that is a lie. It's so unsafe that they give it to children to stop seizures.
Alcohol you can overdose on, you cannot on pot. How many college kids OD every year on college campuses via alcohol? Alcohol is illegal, but yet people put the keys in the car every single day. Kids under 21 still drink even though they aren't legally allowed to. Just because 80 years ago the people charge made this notion one is safe and the other is not doesn't mean it's true. The whole gateway drug thing is over with already as it's well known alcohol is the ultimate gateway drug that more young people have access to. If the government tried to outlaw alcohol in 2016 every single person around would be buying up home brew kits and it would not stop people from drinking. Just as making pot illegal has not stopped people from using it. I don't use pot, but I think it is a much safer option than alcohol which I do use.
This is a police chief talking about the war on drugs.
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I believe it's already been mentioned that those statistics are swayed because marijuana stays in your body for several days. When I smoked many years ago, about the last thing I wanted to do when driving was drive fast. I drove very cautiously, almost to a fault. In contrast, alcohol made me release my inhibitions and created a false sense of security and I probably drove faster than I should have at times. That combined with slower reaction times from the alcohol made it doubly dangerous. I can't really remember if I felt my reaction times were slowed from pot but again it wasn't as much of an issue, as I drove slower
IMO, rather than making all drugs legal, they should make them no longer illegal. IOW, I'm for decriminalization rather than legalization.
The problem with legalization is that they then become a source of tax revenue for the government. I think it is a huge mistake for our government to be financially dependent upon our vices.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...d-since-marijuana-was-legalised-10499069.html
Dumb people make dumb decisions and drive on alcohol, prescription drugs, and illegal drugs currently. Nobody is ok with any of those deaths, but I'm not ok with the government saying one drug that is more harmful is legal, but pot is not. Just think if they made it legal and actually regulated it which hasn't happened because the government lied to people 2-3 generations ago. If you are worried about deaths on the road, you would be absolutely against alcohol being legal. The problem there is now with the internet everyone would then be brewing their own alcohol and it would not be regulated. People would get poisoned and the murder rate would go up again like it did during prohibition. Nobody is saying you have to do this, but it's extremely hypocritical to say one is ok and the other is not.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/le...a-may-be-less-harmful-alcohol-tobacco-n312876
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Cannabinoids are fat soluble, not water soluble, so THC is stored longer and you have other factors such as body fat pecentage, exercise and diet that effect the length is stays in your body. I did a lot of research on Mary Jane at one time - long time ago. Here is a fairly recent article (2009) that discusses the possibility of "reintoxication."
LINK: Reintoxication: The release of fat stored ... THC ...
If you want to skip the main article:
Background and purpose:
Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the main psychoactive constituent of cannabis, accumulates in adipose tissue where it is stored for long periods of time. Here we investigated whether conditions that promote lipolysis can liberate THC from adipocytes to yield increased blood levels of THC.
Final paragraph:
Taken together, our results demonstrate for the first time that lipolysis, induced under two distinct experimental conditions (ACTH treatment or FD), may enhance the release of THC from adipocytes and increase the levels of cannabinoids present in the blood. Future studies could attempt to observe whether other lipolysis-promoting conditions such as exercise or, physical or psychological stress, are able to enhance the release of THC from fat stores at sufficient levels to promote typical cannabinoid behavioural effects. Furthermore, by extending the period of cannabinoid exposure it might be possible to enhance lipolysis-induced THC release from fat, promoting even higher levels in blood long after use of the drug has ceased. These results may provide a mechanism of cannabinoid ‘flashback’ and might help to explain anomalous cases where prior cannabis users, that were exposed to extreme stress or had undergone intensive weight loss, tested positive for THC a long time after they had refrained from cannabis use.
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