Classified documents at Mar a Largo - why?

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It's a simple question that Trump has yet to answer. Why did he have all those classified government documents with him at his place in FL? They all belong to the US Government and he had no legal right to have them in his possession? Those facts are not disputed. The fact that some of those docs are so highly classified has put our county's security at risk.
Let's just start with the simple issues like - why? Does Trump think he is above the law? Was he selling access to those docs? Who did he share them with?
 

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It's a simple question that Trump has yet to answer. Why did he have all those classified government documents with him at his place in FL? They all belong to the US Government and he had no legal right to have them in his possession? Those facts are not disputed. The fact that some of those docs are so highly classified has put our county's security at risk.
Let's just start with the simple issues like - why? Does Trump think he is above the law? Was he selling access to those docs? Who did he share them with?
A lot of disputed facts in your list of disputed facts. Rather, a lot of unknown facts. We need answers but all we have are convenient leaks, with such leaks being illegal themselves. Although the leaks tend to be fictional, so I guess fictional leaks are legal?

Your other questions need answers before they can be answered. Curious—if he had a bunch of Russiagate type documents proving deep state bad acts, would you be willing to admit the deep state had more problems than Trump? I hope your mind is open to all outcomes.
 

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It's a simple question that Trump has yet to answer. Why did he have all those classified government documents with him at his place in FL? They all belong to the US Government and he had no legal right to have them in his possession? Those facts are not disputed. The fact that some of those docs are so highly classified has put our county's security at risk.
Let's just start with the simple issues like - why? Does Trump think he is above the law? Was he selling access to those docs? Who did he share them with?
There is a lot of speculation. the policy is really outdated. It ought to me one of those commercials where the guy consults with people not to become their parents. "Don't print the internet".

The fact that there are paper documents is so 1970's. The entire issue is outdated and dumb. Hillary not only had her own server but deleted emails with no oversight or authority. Leon Panetta had classified documents.

This is probably just another Trump witch hunt. Dems and FBI are probably selecting information to make him look bad which is exactly what happened in the now-defamed RUSSIA! investigation and impeachments.
 

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It's a simple question that Trump has yet to answer. Why did he have all those classified government documents with him at his place in FL? They all belong to the US Government and he had no legal right to have them in his possession? Those facts are not disputed. The fact that some of those docs are so highly classified has put our county's security at risk.
Let's just start with the simple issues like - why? Does Trump think he is above the law? Was he selling access to those docs? Who did he share them with?

Lol 'put our county's security at risk' sic.

Dude, if any of those documents put our country's security at risk it wouldn't have taken 2 years to recover them.

Think for yourself for once.

Trump had access to all those files as President. And 1000s of documents were moved.

The only reason they decided to chastise him on these is because he handed some to the national archives.

Again, think for yourself for a change.

LdN
 

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It's a simple question that Trump has yet to answer. Why did he have all those classified government documents with him at his place in FL? They all belong to the US Government and he had no legal right to have them in his possession? Those facts are not disputed. The fact that some of those docs are so highly classified has put our county's security at risk.
Let's just start with the simple issues like - why? Does Trump think he is above the law? Was he selling access to those docs? Who did he share them with?

Let's start with a simple issue. Why did Hillary?

Even more simple. Why did Hillary destroy evidence when it was discovered?
 

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Let's start with a simple issue. Why did Hillary?

Even more simple. Why did Hillary destroy evidence when it was discovered?
So in other words... if Hillary did it, Trump had the right to it as well? To this date, no one has offered any type of justification for Trump having these sensitive documents at his home. If you can answer that question, I would greatly appreciate it. Even you have to admit that most of them... maybe all of them were not his to keep. I've asked that question several times only to have it ignored... or as you have done, deflected with comments about Hillary or Hunter.
 
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So in other words... if Hillary did it, Trump had the right to it as well? To this date, no one has offered any type of justification for Trump having these sensitive documents at his home. If you can answer that question, I would greatly appreciate it. Even you have to admit that most of them... maybe all of them were not his to keep. I've asked that question several times only to have it ignored... or as you have done, deflected with comments about Hillary or Hunter.

If it is OK to go after Trump then go after Hillary and the Biden Family. It is that simple.

Equal under the law. Or do you believe in a two-tiered, politically motivated justice system?
 

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If it is OK to go after Trump then go after Hillary and the Biden Family. It is that simple.

Equal under the law. Or do you believe in a two-tiered, politically motivated justice system?
Apples and Oranges my friend.

You have absolutely no defense for Trump’s crimes so you are attempting to deflect.
 

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It's a simple question that Trump has yet to answer. Why did he have all those classified government documents with him at his place in FL? They all belong to the US Government and he had no legal right to have them in his possession? Those facts are not disputed. The fact that some of those docs are so highly classified has put our county's security at risk.
Let's just start with the simple issues like - why? Does Trump think he is above the law? Was he selling access to those docs? Who did he share them with?
It is not OK to have classified documents in a non secured facility.

selling them? you've been watching or listening to the nut jobs on the view?
 

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Apples and Oranges my friend.

You have absolutely no defense for Trump’s crimes so you are attempting to deflect.

Not deflection. It is the same subject. Slight differences but essentially the same thing.

I'll take it a step further....

Why is it OK for Dems to claim the 2016 election was stolen but not for any of their opponents to make a similar claim in 2020? Apples and oranges? Both are fruit. It could easily be argued that 2020 was more egregious on actual observable facts, and that 2016 was fabricated make-believe. Not saying the results would have been different, but I certainly do believe that if we had a fair and unbiased media, we would absolutely have had a different results. Corruption was never reported. Instead, it was suppressed and mislabeled -- a giant conspiracy designed to protect people who were ultimately culpable in the previous administration.

Either way, again, it is hypocrisy. It's what Dems have been doing for several years now -- making claims against their political opponents that they do in spades.

As @bdgan has written, the Dems are good. They make great politicians. They use government to go after their political rivals.

The Republicans are not so good. They fundamentally believe in small government, so they do not have the same tools. They don't have any weapons. They have to rely on truth being reported.

It's exactly what happens in a communist takeover. Truth gets suppressed, and the people get manipulated.
 
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It's a simple question that Trump has yet to answer. Why did he have all those classified government documents with him at his place in FL? They all belong to the US Government and he had no legal right to have them in his possession? Those facts are not disputed. The fact that some of those docs are so highly classified has put our county's security at risk.
Let's just start with the simple issues like - why? Does Trump think he is above the law? Was he selling access to those docs? Who did he share them with?
He was trying to overthrow the world.
 

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It is not OK to have classified documents in a non secured facility.

selling them? you've been watching or listening to the nut jobs on the view?
Tell us why he had those classified US Government documents at MAL. Should be easy - no explanations have been put forth so far. What were they doing there and for what purpose?
 

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Let's start with a simple issue. Why did Hillary?

Even more simple. Why did Hillary destroy evidence when it was discovered?
So in other words... there is no justification for Trump to take these files and documents. Personally I have no problem with holding Hillary or Biden responsible for what they may or may not have done. Trump has been caught with these documents and was asked on multiple occasions to return them. He has brought this on himself by not complying. I would really like to know what his motives were.
 

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To be clear, if Trump broke the law then prosecute and jail him if necessary. That is my stance.

But don't tell us this is OK while all of the other stuff is not OK.
 
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How Many Of 'Her Emails' Were Classified? Actually, Zero​

September 03, 2022
Joe Conason

Nearly every day fresh revelations emerge in the federal investigation of the national security and presidential records that Donald Trump purloined from the White House. So far, his alibis have been exposed one after another as empty, and we have seen no adequate public reckoning of why he took those papers, what he meant to do with them, how some went missing, or even exactly how many documents he hijacked to his Florida estate.
As more and more evidence of the former president’s reckless and potentially criminal misconduct comes to light, he and his defenders keep pointing to “her emails.” They insist that because the Justice Department declined prosecution of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton after a long and thorough probe of how she handled allegedly classified information, there should be no investigation, let alone indictment or conviction of Trump.
But while we don’t yet know the extent or nature of Trump’s abuse of classified documents, we can determine how many were found by investigators, after exhaustive searches, among Clinton’s thousands of State Department emails.
The accurate and definitive answer is zero – although few if any news outlets have informed the public of that startling fact. Moreover, it is a fact that the Trump administration itself confirmed three years ago.
In the recent coverage that references her emails, former FBI Director James Comey is sometimes quoted as saying that of the 33,000 Clinton emails examined by bureau investigators, three had classification markings. That’s less than one-hundredth of one percent, and not worth comparing to Trump’s malfeasance anyway, but it’s still false -- apparently meant to bolster Comey’s absurd claim that other Clinton emails were “classified” although never marked as such.
Those three State Department documents were “call sheets,” innocuous memos reminding Clinton to make scheduled phone calls. During her FBI interview, investigators showed her one of those memos, reminding her to place a condolence call to the president of Malawi--not exactly a top secret matter. As Comey himself later admitted, any classification marking on that sheet had been wrongly applied.
In short, the three supposedly classified documents attributed to her emails were barely even confidential, let alone secret or subject to the sanctions of the Espionage Act.
Still, the hunting of Hillary never ends and – amid regular threats to her by Trump when he was president -- inevitably resumed after the FBI investigation concluded. What has been overlooked is that “her emails” and those of her State Department aides became the target of not one but two departmental probes that picked up where her exoneration by the Justice Department left off.
The first round, which began under Rex Tillerson, Trump’s first Secretary of State, opened with an inquiry into a claim of 41 “security incidents” attributed to Clinton and concluded, after months of argument and appeals by her attorneys at Williams & Connolly, that none of those alleged incidents was valid, though she shouldn’t have used a private email server. In that respect her conduct was no different from her Republican predecessor, the late Colin Powell, who advised her to use private email, or many officials in the Bush White House, including Karl Rove.
The second State Department review commenced with more fanfare in 2019 under Tillerson’s unscrupulous successor Mike Pompeo, who, it is worth noting, soon came under official scrutiny himself for gross and self-serving misuse of State Department resources. By then, the hypocrisy behind Republican indignation over “her emails” had been highlighted by massive, repeated security breaches in the Trump White House, where numerous officials , including Ivanka Trump, unlawfully used private email accounts and normal protective protocols were routinely flouted.
No doubt Pompeo, a veteran of the House Select Committee on Benghazi, hoped to find something, anything to arraign Clinton. But again, in the end, there was zero, zilch, nada. Although the second review began with a July 31, 2019 notice from State Department officials that they “suspected” Clinton might be responsible for 12 classified “spillages,” this investigation concluded nine weeks later that she did not “bear any individual culpability” for those incidents.
Again, the overarching absurdity of the State Department and FBI investigations lay in the fact that nearly all of the documents at issue had been classified retroactively – meaning they had carried no markings identifying them as such when Clinton handled them. Comey's assertion that documents can somehow be deemed inherently secret, without proper markings or any classification history whatsoever, is extremely dangerous and hostile to the concept of open democratic governance. It is an idea that should never have been entertained by a free press.
Nobody in their right mind would hold Clinton, or any official, to be culpable under those circumstances.
The same cannot be said for Trump in the current documents scandal, as must be obvious to anyone who has seen that photograph of the folders, clearly marked “TOP SECRET,” strewn around his office floor at Mar-a-Lago, or the folders emptied of their contents, who knows where.
 

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Lol 'put our county's security at risk' sic.

Dude, if any of those documents put our country's security at risk it wouldn't have taken 2 years to recover them.

Think for yourself for once.

Trump had access to all those files as President. And 1000s of documents were moved.

The only reason they decided to chastise him on these is because he handed some to the national archives.

Again, think for yourself for a change.

LdN
Just answer the simple question - why did he have them at MAL? They aren't his.
 
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There is a lot of speculation. the policy is really outdated. It ought to me one of those commercials where the guy consults with people not to become their parents. "Don't print the internet".

The fact that there are paper documents is so 1970's. The entire issue is outdated and dumb. Hillary not only had her own server but deleted emails with no oversight or authority. Leon Panetta had classified documents.

This is probably just another Trump witch hunt. Dems and FBI are probably selecting information to make him look bad which is exactly what happened in the now-defamed RUSSIA! investigation and impeachments.
You are avoiding the question - Why, for what purpose did Trump steal those classified docs. Their form is not relevant - they are highly classified, and Trump stole them. Stay on topic and quit with the shifting topic gambit.
 
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A lot of disputed facts in your list of disputed facts. Rather, a lot of unknown facts. We need answers but all we have are convenient leaks, with such leaks being illegal themselves. Although the leaks tend to be fictional, so I guess fictional leaks are legal?

Your other questions need answers before they can be answered. Curious—if he had a bunch of Russiagate type documents proving deep state bad acts, would you be willing to admit the deep state had more problems than Trump? I hope your mind is open to all outcomes.
First of all I accept all facts from any source that is a provable fact. Your idea of a 'deep state' is a fantasy without any proof - therefor it's not worthy of consideration.
Yes, I posited a number of so far unanswered questions. Let me know when you have the answers to those basic questions. Why did a FPOTUS have stolen government classified documents at his place at MSL? That is a basic question he needs to answer. Then he should answer what was he using them for.
 

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If it is OK to go after Trump then go after Hillary and the Biden Family. It is that simple.

Equal under the law. Or do you believe in a two-tiered, politically motivated justice system?
More whataboutism. Fbh1, you will NEVER get an honest response from a Trump Cultist. Which is why I find this Board so compelling. These Trump Cultists are well beyond deplorable. They are frickin' CRAZY, and wildly entertaining. :cool:
 

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How Many Of 'Her Emails' Were Classified? Actually, Zero​

September 03, 2022
Joe Conason

Nearly every day fresh revelations emerge in the federal investigation of the national security and presidential records that Donald Trump purloined from the White House. So far, his alibis have been exposed one after another as empty, and we have seen no adequate public reckoning of why he took those papers, what he meant to do with them, how some went missing, or even exactly how many documents he hijacked to his Florida estate.
As more and more evidence of the former president’s reckless and potentially criminal misconduct comes to light, he and his defenders keep pointing to “her emails.” They insist that because the Justice Department declined prosecution of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton after a long and thorough probe of how she handled allegedly classified information, there should be no investigation, let alone indictment or conviction of Trump.
But while we don’t yet know the extent or nature of Trump’s abuse of classified documents, we can determine how many were found by investigators, after exhaustive searches, among Clinton’s thousands of State Department emails.
The accurate and definitive answer is zero – although few if any news outlets have informed the public of that startling fact. Moreover, it is a fact that the Trump administration itself confirmed three years ago.
In the recent coverage that references her emails, former FBI Director James Comey is sometimes quoted as saying that of the 33,000 Clinton emails examined by bureau investigators, three had classification markings. That’s less than one-hundredth of one percent, and not worth comparing to Trump’s malfeasance anyway, but it’s still false -- apparently meant to bolster Comey’s absurd claim that other Clinton emails were “classified” although never marked as such.
Those three State Department documents were “call sheets,” innocuous memos reminding Clinton to make scheduled phone calls. During her FBI interview, investigators showed her one of those memos, reminding her to place a condolence call to the president of Malawi--not exactly a top secret matter. As Comey himself later admitted, any classification marking on that sheet had been wrongly applied.
In short, the three supposedly classified documents attributed to her emails were barely even confidential, let alone secret or subject to the sanctions of the Espionage Act.
Still, the hunting of Hillary never ends and – amid regular threats to her by Trump when he was president -- inevitably resumed after the FBI investigation concluded. What has been overlooked is that “her emails” and those of her State Department aides became the target of not one but two departmental probes that picked up where her exoneration by the Justice Department left off.
The first round, which began under Rex Tillerson, Trump’s first Secretary of State, opened with an inquiry into a claim of 41 “security incidents” attributed to Clinton and concluded, after months of argument and appeals by her attorneys at Williams & Connolly, that none of those alleged incidents was valid, though she shouldn’t have used a private email server. In that respect her conduct was no different from her Republican predecessor, the late Colin Powell, who advised her to use private email, or many officials in the Bush White House, including Karl Rove.
The second State Department review commenced with more fanfare in 2019 under Tillerson’s unscrupulous successor Mike Pompeo, who, it is worth noting, soon came under official scrutiny himself for gross and self-serving misuse of State Department resources. By then, the hypocrisy behind Republican indignation over “her emails” had been highlighted by massive, repeated security breaches in the Trump White House, where numerous officials , including Ivanka Trump, unlawfully used private email accounts and normal protective protocols were routinely flouted.
No doubt Pompeo, a veteran of the House Select Committee on Benghazi, hoped to find something, anything to arraign Clinton. But again, in the end, there was zero, zilch, nada. Although the second review began with a July 31, 2019 notice from State Department officials that they “suspected” Clinton might be responsible for 12 classified “spillages,” this investigation concluded nine weeks later that she did not “bear any individual culpability” for those incidents.
Again, the overarching absurdity of the State Department and FBI investigations lay in the fact that nearly all of the documents at issue had been classified retroactively – meaning they had carried no markings identifying them as such when Clinton handled them. Comey's assertion that documents can somehow be deemed inherently secret, without proper markings or any classification history whatsoever, is extremely dangerous and hostile to the concept of open democratic governance. It is an idea that should never have been entertained by a free press.
Nobody in their right mind would hold Clinton, or any official, to be culpable under those circumstances.
The same cannot be said for Trump in the current documents scandal, as must be obvious to anyone who has seen that photograph of the folders, clearly marked “TOP SECRET,” strewn around his office floor at Mar-a-Lago, or the folders emptied of their contents, who knows where.
THIS ^^^^. A reminder to place a condolence call to the president of Malawi. Now THAT'S some TOP SECRET information if ever there was any. These poor Trump Cultists cannot even get their whataboutist facts straight.
 

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THIS ^^^^. A reminder to place a condolence call to the president of Malawi. Now THAT'S some TOP SECRET information if ever there was any. These poor Trump Cultists cannot even get their whataboutist facts straight.
Those MAGAnuts only accept conspiracies and alternate realities - not well grounded in truth and facts are they.
 

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You are avoiding the question - Why, for what purpose did Trump steal those classified docs. Their form is not relevant - they are highly classified, and Trump stole them. Stay on topic and quit with the shifting topic gambit.
you actually don't know if any of that is true. Remember, this is the same FBI that fabricated the Steele Dossier and, knowing is was BS, ran with it for five years! So there isn't any credibility there to draw on. In fact, one of the FBI agents who was key in the retaining of the warrant on Steele was the same as the one involved with MAL.

The definition of "classified" and "access" needs to be totally redone. Printed documents are so 1970s. They know that but are using it for election year BS. And Trump owns the highest security clearance in the west. Why doesn't he have access to them? Given the witchhunt, it makes complete sense that he needs to retain this information to protect himself against another "Steele" mess.
 

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I heard Obama declassified Hillary’s emails, so no worries there.
Never happened. Deal with facts not some crazy MAGAnut nonsense. You might want to try reality sometime - it's refreshing.
 

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you actually don't know if any of that is true. Remember, this is the same FBI that fabricated the Steele Dossier and, knowing is was BS, ran with it for five years! So there isn't any credibility there to draw on. In fact, one of the FBI agents who was key in the retaining of the warrant on Steele was the same as the one involved with MAL.

The definition of "classified" and "access" needs to be totally redone. Printed documents are so 1970s. They know that but are using it for election year BS. And Trump owns the highest security clearance in the west. Why doesn't he have access to them? Given the witchhunt, it makes complete sense that he needs to retain this information to protect himself against another "Steele" mess.
Yes we do know a lot about the theft of those classified documents by Donnie 'sticky fingers'. Your shifting to MAGAcrazy stuff like the FBI not being trustworthy is a reflection on your hatred of our country and institutions.
Donnie has and did not have any rights to have those US Government owned docs at his place at MAL - that is a fact. Your thinking he needs protection is another MAGA wet dream that has no basis in fact. If you don;t like our government and institutions (like laws) you may want to try Putinville.
 
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As Biden has spent more than 40% of his time in Delaware, does he have access to classified document there? What are the security safeguards? Does Hunter spend any time in Biden's Delaware hovel? Does anyone really trust Brandon with any kind of official document, classified or not?
 

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Yes we do know a lot about the theft of those classified documents by Donnie 'sticky fingers'. Your shifting to MAGAcrazy stuff like the FBI not being trustworthy is a reflection on your hatred of our country and institutions.
Donnie has and did not have any rights to have those US Government owned docs at his place at MAL - that is a fact. Your thinking he needs protection is another MAGA wet dream that has no basis in fact. If you don;t like our government and institutions (like laws) you may want to try Putinville.
Sorry, the FBI was sanctioned and an Agent convicted of using Steele to get a FISA warrant. Furthermore, they knew that the document was BS. This isn't in dispute. just do a google search. The media didn't ballyhoo it (because they also knew it was BS) but put it on page 27 or worse.

 
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There is a lot of speculation. the policy is really outdated. It ought to me one of those commercials where the guy consults with people not to become their parents. "Don't print the internet".

The fact that there are paper documents is so 1970's. The entire issue is outdated and dumb. Hillary not only had her own server but deleted emails with no oversight or authority. Leon Panetta had classified documents.

This is probably just another Trump witch hunt. Dems and FBI are probably selecting information to make him look bad which is exactly what happened in the now-defamed RUSSIA! investigation and impeachments.
Electronic documents are far harder to control than physical documents.
 

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More whataboutism. Fbh1, you will NEVER get an honest response from a Trump Cultist. Which is why I find this Board so compelling. These Trump Cultists are well beyond deplorable. They are frickin' CRAZY, and wildly entertaining. :cool:

Nope. We want equal treatment under the law, and equal, balanced reporting in the media.

I am not a Trump Cultist. Never voted for Trump. If he is guilty then have him pay the price.

My objection is the two-tiered justice system, of weaponizing the federal government to go after political rivals, for which you seem to advocate.

We know why this is occurring. The Left tends to grow government. It is simply a protection mechanism. It is like a growing organism that wishes to feed itself.

This is why the Founding Fathers felt very strongly that the federal government needed to be limited. They wanted government to be close to the people -- to states and localities.

Instead, today we have a self-serving behemoth.

People like you think every state should be like California, so you are using the federal government to force it down throats. It's everything the originators of our republic had feared. They knew it would not work.

No history lessons being taught anymore.
 
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Whataboutism
Correct. So whatabout Hillary having classified documents and not prosecuted or subpoenaed or warranted? Why did she have them? Who did she share them with? Who did she sell them too?

Do you have an answer?
 

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Another former Trumper who is seeing the light​

DOJ is 'getting very close' to having the evidence to indict Trump, but shouldn't charge him, ex-Attorney General Bill Barr says​

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Former Attorney General William Barr said he thinks the Department of Justice is "getting very close" to having the evidence to indict ex-President Donald Trump.
  • But Barr said he hopes the DOJ will decline to do so, "because I don't want to see him indicted as a former president."
  • Barr also criticized a judge's order authorizing a special master to review documents that the FBI seized from Trump's Florida home Mar-a-Lago.
 
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Nope. We want equal treatment under the law, and equal, balanced reporting in the media.

I am not a Trump Cultist. Never voted for Trump. If he is guilty then have him pay the price.

My objection is the two-tiered justice system, of weaponizing the federal government to go after political rivals, for which you seem to advocate.

We know why this is occurring. The Left tends to grow government. It is simply a protection mechanism. It is like a growing organism that wishes to feed itself.

This is why the Founding Fathers felt very strongly that the federal government needed to be limited. They wanted government to be close to the people -- to states and localities.

Instead, today we have a self-serving behemoth.

People like you think every state should be like California, so you are using the federal government to force it down throats. It's everything the originators of our republic had feared. They knew it would not work.

No history lessons being taught anymore.
that's right. Hillary had her own server and deleted 60,000 emails with no oversight. She says they were personal (daughter's wedding) but we have no idea and can't verify it. The emails were then scrubbed and deleted. That, again, is destroying govt property.

So saying "lets start over now" is BS.
 
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Correct. So whatabout Hillary having classified documents and not prosecuted or subpoenaed or warranted? Why did she have them? Who did she share them with? Who did she sell them too?

Do you have an answer?
See above detailed report on that very subject - zero classified docs.