Coaches Poll unreal
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In the NFL, you win, you keep moving up. In NCAA football, you win, your fate is decided behind closed doors by a ESPN oned $election Committee.
I believe this is showing our rankings from the season (H/L). But I did look through the individual ballots from this week - the range was from 5 to 16. Dana Dimel (UTEP - though his ballot says Wyoming) and Scott Frost had us #5. Doug Martin of New Mexico State had us #16.
CJF had us #7 behind #5 Georgia and #6 Oregon.
From an article on The Athletic re: committees thought process on why Wisconsin got the Rose Bowl & their ranking:
What happened to the Rose Bowl?
As Ohio State beat Wisconsin 34-21 on Saturday night in the Big Ten title game, Penn State’s chances of appearing in the Rose Bowl dwindled. Why? There are a few reasons that the committee shed light on Sunday afternoon after it was announced that the Badgers would stay ranked No. 8 and head to Pasadena to play Oregon.
The Badgers gave the Buckeyes, who claimed the No. 2 seed in the Playoff, a challenge in the first half, building a 14-point lead. Keep in mind, Penn State never led at any point during its 11-point loss at The Horseshoe. Though Penn State’s margin of defeat was two points closer, the fact that Wisconsin built that lead seemed to matter to the committee.
Penn State needed a bevy of turnovers to take its best shot at Ohio State, but the Badgers flat-out outplayed Ohio State in the first half. Penn State needed a lot to go right to have any chance, but Wisconsin took it to Justin Fields for two quarters, and Jonathan Taylor was spectacular.
The Lions had that excitement-filled third quarter but didn’t have a half where they looked as dominant. Yes, Wisconsin did lose 38-7 to the Buckeyes in the regular season, but winning the Big Ten West division and routing Minnesota 38-17 — the same Minnesota team that beat Penn State 31-26 — all factored in.
“Two really good teams,” CFP selection committee chair Rob Mullens said Sunday on a conference call when asked what separated Wisconsin and Penn State. “Both have quality wins against ranked opponents. As you’ve seen, when Wisconsin had the big win (vs. Minnesota), they jumped over (Penn State), and I think we felt that with the way they performed in the Big Ten Conference championship, they deserved to stay ahead.”
Though it lost to Illinois, Wisconsin finished with three wins against top-25 teams (No. 14 Michigan, No. 16 Iowa, No. 18 Minnesota), which also factored in, Mullens said. Penn State’s best wins were against Michigan, Iowa and Pitt, with the Panthers being called a “quality nonconference win” all along, though they finished unranked with a 7-5 record. All those details that weren’t enough for the Rose Bowl did help Penn State get an-large bid to the Cotton Bowl bid ahead of No. 11 Utah after the Utes lost to Oregon in the Pac-12 title game and plummeted from No. 5.
Wow, we played Ohio State at their house, last I checked, we created the turnovers. The second meeting between Wisky & OSU was on a neutral field and they still got whooped in the second half. Here lies the issue, the committee and everyone can make up as much crap as they want to justify anything they want. Would not surprise me if we went undefeated and won the BIG that they would find a way to keep us out of it!!
By that logic, Miami beat us in the 1987 Fiesta Bowl because Vinny Testaverde threw all those interceptions!!
What happened to the Rose Bowl?
As Ohio State beat Wisconsin 34-21 on Saturday night in the Big Ten title game, Penn State’s chances of appearing in the Rose Bowl dwindled. Why? There are a few reasons that the committee shed light on Sunday afternoon after it was announced that the Badgers would stay ranked No. 8 and head to Pasadena to play Oregon.
The Badgers gave the Buckeyes, who claimed the No. 2 seed in the Playoff, a challenge in the first half, building a 14-point lead. Keep in mind, Penn State never led at any point during its 11-point loss at The Horseshoe. Though Penn State’s margin of defeat was two points closer, the fact that Wisconsin built that lead seemed to matter to the committee.
Penn State needed a bevy of turnovers to take its best shot at Ohio State, but the Badgers flat-out outplayed Ohio State in the first half. Penn State needed a lot to go right to have any chance, but Wisconsin took it to Justin Fields for two quarters, and Jonathan Taylor was spectacular.
The Lions had that excitement-filled third quarter but didn’t have a half where they looked as dominant. Yes, Wisconsin did lose 38-7 to the Buckeyes in the regular season, but winning the Big Ten West division and routing Minnesota 38-17 — the same Minnesota team that beat Penn State 31-26 — all factored in.
“Two really good teams,” CFP selection committee chair Rob Mullens said Sunday on a conference call when asked what separated Wisconsin and Penn State. “Both have quality wins against ranked opponents. As you’ve seen, when Wisconsin had the big win (vs. Minnesota), they jumped over (Penn State), and I think we felt that with the way they performed in the Big Ten Conference championship, they deserved to stay ahead.”
Though it lost to Illinois, Wisconsin finished with three wins against top-25 teams (No. 14 Michigan, No. 16 Iowa, No. 18 Minnesota), which also factored in, Mullens said. Penn State’s best wins were against Michigan, Iowa and Pitt, with the Panthers being called a “quality nonconference win” all along, though they finished unranked with a 7-5 record. All those details that weren’t enough for the Rose Bowl did help Penn State get an-large bid to the Cotton Bowl bid ahead of No. 11 Utah after the Utes lost to Oregon in the Pac-12 title game and plummeted from No. 5.
Wow, we played Ohio State at their house, last I checked, we created the turnovers. The second meeting between Wisky & OSU was on a neutral field and they still got whooped in the second half. Here lies the issue, the committee and everyone can make up as much crap as they want to justify anything they want. Would not surprise me if we went undefeated and won the BIG that they would find a way to keep us out of it!!
By that logic, Miami beat us in the 1987 Fiesta Bowl because Vinny Testaverde threw all those interceptions!!
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And we played Minny after a gauntlet of Iowa, UM, and MSU. Then played OSU after that additional run-in with Minny and a respectable Indiana while OSU had two 'bye' games with Rutgers and Maryland prior to ours. We were a tired and beat up team.
Meanwhile Minny played Rutgers and Maryland prior to our game, (Edit; they also had a true bye week just before our game)the same two bye games as OSU had. Lost to OSU early with a weak schedule and again in the CG. In the CG, OSU had just played us and UM and were a tired, beat up team leading to the poor start in the first half. Fields was banged up and less mobile.
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Oregon 13 to 6? WTF
What I learned today....College Football coaches are not very good at evaluating the quality and play of college football teams.
Speaking of Fields being banged up, I see no mention in that Athletic piece or most other discussion that PSU made their 2nd half comeback vs Ohio State with a backup QB who had little game experience. Penn State was the only team with the athletic depth to contest Ohio State for a full game.
Read all of that and then remember 2016 when PSU beat OSU and beat Wisky in the B1G Championship and they did the same mental gymnastics to convince themselves OSU was better than PSU and send them to the CFP to get boat-raced by Clemson.
I think it was Scott Frost.
Yep. - https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...-coaches-amway-coaches-poll-panel/4377685002/
Yes, Garbers is back. We got down to our third string QB for a bit during the regular season. Let that sink in. The third string QB on a team noted for its lack of depth.
in all of this the Fields banged up is not mentioned. this is not a minor miss = it is the single most important fact. when Fields was 100% in CBus game we saw the effect = Wisky got smoked. Fields as a RUNNER is essential for tOSU - you will see the effect v Clemson if he is not 100%. Wisky did not "take it to the 100% Fields" - they took it to a guy who was significantly less than 100% - even according to Herby who talked about how Fields could not move laterally. they guy got 1 yd running on 12 carries which includes sacks. check his running in the first game.
NOW take this less than 100% Fields and put him in the game we played in CBus - with a team that has been through a gauntlet so ourselves not 100%. what do you think happens??? i say we win that game. without Fields bailing them out on runs in our game they never get those 3rd and long conversions. Dave Revsine on BTN (not our friend) said that it was easy for Wisky to game plan tOSU with an immobile Justin Fields as they could tee off. when he is 100% you cannot rush him like they did - especially with a defense that is not athletic.
If Penn State had beaten Minnesota and lost to an inferior team like Indiana, would they have ended up ranked higher (and higher than Wisconsin)?
Gripe about "good" loss vs. "bad" loss and every other "relevant" factor you wish but this anti PSU bias is ingrained everywhere, has been for years and will show up every year regardless of circumstances. See '68, '69, '73 and '94 when we had ZERO "good" losses. Sadly, PSU fans can do nothing to change it.
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The human element needs to be eliminated . From pre-season polls to the CFP and final polls.
The level of BS is breathtaking. I am sure the real reason is much closer to Delany’s “ invisible hand.”
Wow...the disparity in rankings is wide.
Some notable rankings of PSU
Rutgers - 15
MSU - 6
PSU - 7
Neb - 5
Aub - 14 (5 of his top 10 are SEC)
NM state - 16 (behind Iowa, memphis)
UF - 13 (5 of his top 10 are SEC)
Baylor - 13
Others
AL - 12 (5 of top 10 are SEC with AL #5)
CLEM - 13 (put themselves #1...ballsy given resume)
Finally, Marshall's coach is named Doc Holliday? Really?
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Yet again we're reminded that if you win a half of football, you win the game. (Unless you're PSU)
