Conspiracy of Silence:

[bjf1991]

"Conspiracy of Silence"

You're damn right........ no one can even argue with Louis Freeh on that characterization.

One Thousand Nine Hundred and Fifty Nine days.....

One Thousand Nine Hundred and Fifty Nine Days of devastation to Penn State University

One Thousand Nine Hundred and Fifty Nine Days of witnessing our legacies and character drawn through every type of vile filth imaginable

One Thousand Nine Hundred and Fifty Nine Days of blood, sweat, and tears shed by so many.

And - - - when, finally, the "day of reckoning - the opportunity to gain retribution - the chance to finally even the score, comes:


Three defendants:

Zero Days, Zero Hours, Zero Minutes, Zero Seconds spent defending themselves, and ourselves

Zero Days, Zero Hours, Zero Minutes, Zero Seconds spent exposing the corruption and the evil living right next door

Zero Days, Zero Hours, Zero Minutes, Zero Seconds spent countering what we had labeled as "the false narrative"

Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.

And none of that guilt has anything to do with the Judge and Jury in Dauphin County

Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.

Of once again falling in line with the "Conspiracy of Silence" ........ the very real one.

Omertà.

We've made the "Mob" look like a half-assed gang of High School Hoodlum

 

[SmithtonLion]

"Conspiracy of Silence"

We've made the "Mob" look like a half-assed gang of High School Hoodlum

Totally irrational post. It isn't like the mob. It isn't much of a conspiracy. It is simple human weakness.

I don't like these, guys, especially Spanier.

But let's keep some perspective here.

This was THROWN in their laps. No one chooses to be told that it is THEIR JOB to deal with an accusation of pedophilia that's going to be very public with a hot magnifying lens.

These people did nothing wrong, harmed no one, took nothing, themselves. They simply failed to stop it. And yes, it is pretty clear that they had a chance to stop it....as did others.

Other people on this board seem obsessed with finding a way to hang it on Jack Raykovitz or other Second Mile personnel....and maybe I get that, but honestly, aren't they basically in the same boat? People who had Sandusky thrown in their laps. Sure you can say that they loved Sandusky, etc. But no one gets into a relationship with a person they know is a pedophile. They got in a relationship with Sandusky first, and then, over the years, I'm sure they got a little uncomfortable (not enough to know), and then finally when it hit them.....wow, this guy is a pedophile. So, to me, we are only arguing to what degree did Raykovitz have more responsibility than Spanier, which surely only rests upon how much better was he in position to stop it. Many have commented that JR is trained, Spanier not, etc. Whatever. Minor differences.

Finally, others seem obsessed with Corbett, Fina and the political angle. Come on! Corbett's lost his re-election in November of 2014. Surely if this is some crazy vendetta on his part, Wolf (his complete opposite) would have stopped it over the last two years. They didn't because, while there are always politics involved, there weren't any unusual politics. Just the usual - which actions will make me look best. In Corbett's case - virtue signaling and being the "most outraged" suited him politically. For Wolf - stopping the DA means being a "pedophile enabler".

So, here is the truth, easy and succinct.

1. Sandusky is the monster. 98% of the blame goes to him.

2. Normal humans aren't wired to deal with pedophilia. We understand murder and robbery and assault. We don't understand pedophilia.

3. Everyone has great self-preservation instincts. It helped us evolve. Virtue signaling and blaming of others has been going on since we were in the caves. No surprise that when the story broke everyone was quick to condemn everyone and anyone they could find. If you're outraged, I mean crazy outraged, then surely you must not be at fault. Explains the BOT exactly. Sadly, today's leaders are not any different than the herd. That doesn't make them horrible people, just makes them "bosses, but not leaders".

 

[bjf1991]

Totally irrational post. It isn't like the mob. It isn't much of a conspiracy. It is simple human weakness.

I don't like these, guys, especially Spanier.

But let's keep some perspective here.

This was THROWN in their laps. No one chooses to be told that it is THEIR JOB to deal with an accusation of pedophilia that's going to be very public with a hot magnifying lens.

These people did nothing wrong, harmed no one, took nothing, themselves. They simply failed to stop it. And yes, it is pretty clear that they had a chance to stop it....as did others.

Other people on this board seem obsessed with finding a way to hang it on Jack Raykovitz or other Second Mile personnel....and maybe I get that, but honestly, aren't they basically in the same boat? People who had Sandusky thrown in their laps. Sure you can say that they loved Sandusky, etc. But no one gets into a relationship with a person they know is a pedophile. They got in a relationship with Sandusky first, and then, over the years, I'm sure they got a little uncomfortable (not enough to know), and then finally when it hit them.....wow, this guy is a pedophile. So, to me, we are only arguing to what degree did Raykovitz have more responsibility than Spanier, which surely only rests upon how much better was he in position to stop it. Many have commented that JR is trained, Spanier not, etc. Whatever. Minor differences.

Finally, others seem obsessed with Corbett, Fina and the political angle. Come on! Corbett's lost his re-election in November of 2014. Surely if this is some crazy vendetta on his part, Wolf (his complete opposite) would have stopped it over the last two years. They didn't because, while there are always politics involved, there weren't any unusual politics. Just the usual - which actions will make me look best. In Corbett's case - virtue signaling and being the "most outraged" suited him politically. For Wolf - stopping the DA means being a "pedophile enabler".

So, here is the truth, easy and succinct.

1. Sandusky is the monster. 98% of the blame goes to him.

2. Normal humans aren't wired to deal with pedophilia. We understand murder and robbery and assault. We don't understand pedophilia.

3. Everyone has great self-preservation instincts. It helped us evolve. Virtue signaling and blaming of others has been going on since we were in the caves. No surprise that when the story broke everyone was quick to condemn everyone and anyone they could find. If you're outraged, I mean crazy outraged, then surely you must not be at fault. Explains the BOT exactly. Sadly, today's leaders are not any different than the herd. That doesn't make them horrible people, just makes them "bosses, but not leaders".

Appreciate your detailed discussion - - - but - to be clear - it is an ENTIRELY different topic from the OP

MY post is about the "Conspiracy of Silence" that has NOTHING to do with "Did CSS "cover up" for a pedophile"....... or the decade long circle-jerk of "who said what word to who".......

NOTHING to do with the topic you are posting about

It has to do with the Conspiracy of Silence, the absolute refusal - no matter what the cost - for ANYONE ( and o mean ANYONE - the multiple inhabitants of the OAG, the media, the politicos, EVERYONE and ANYONE) to even BEGIN to look

To even begin to look behind the doors or under the rocks - - - The doors and the rocks that have been the most glaring and obvious places to BEGIN to look for the last ten years.

And every time those opportunities present themselves - everyone REFUSES to go there


Jeezus H Christ. ............ how f$cking stupid, and petty, and oblivious can we be?

That question seems likely to never be answered - since each time we think we may have "hit bottom" we find a way to keep on digging.

 

[SmithtonLion]

It has to do with the Conspiracy of Silence, the absolute refusal - no matter what the cost - for ANYONE ( and o mean ANYONE - the multiple inhabitants of the OAG, the media, the politicos, EVERYONE and ANYONE) to even BEGIN to look

Jeezus H Christ. ............ how f$cking stupid, and petty, and oblivious can we be?
.

Are you saying that people are conspiring not to look at what really happened? If so, I may agree, but only partially. So, if you are saying:

1. TSM knew and could have done something. I agree.
2. BOT knew and could have done something. I agree.
3. Cops and DA knew in 1998 and could have done more. I agree.
4. But if you're saying there's something other than "holy shit, we (TSM) better make sure we don't get dragged into this mess", then I disagree. Simple self-preservation on their part. No way, no how, they wanted JS to happen, or covered for him.
5. Same thing with the BOT - whenever they found out, even if it was only when it all broke loose - their only instinct was to make sure they didn't get tarred.

That's it. No conspiracy. Just caveman instincts to avoid tarring and feathering and to avoid the mob. On everyone's part. BOT, TSM, MM, DA, everyone.

So when you say that everyone else (BOT, TSM, DA, etc) are happy to not look any further, OF COURSE they are. Because "pedophilia enabler" charge in the media is life changing.

I don't blame them. When irrational media is "shoot first, figure out facts later", there's really no other way to play it. Look there, not here.

 

[CF LION]

Totally irrational post. It isn't like the mob. It isn't much of a conspiracy. It is simple human weakness.

I don't like these, guys, especially Spanier.

But let's keep some perspective here.

This was THROWN in their laps. No one chooses to be told that it is THEIR JOB to deal with an accusation of pedophilia that's going to be very public with a hot magnifying lens.

These people did nothing wrong, harmed no one, took nothing, themselves. They simply failed to stop it. And yes, it is pretty clear that they had a chance to stop it....as did others.

Other people on this board seem obsessed with finding a way to hang it on Jack Raykovitz or other Second Mile personnel....and maybe I get that, but honestly, aren't they basically in the same boat? People who had Sandusky thrown in their laps. Sure you can say that they loved Sandusky, etc. But no one gets into a relationship with a person they know is a pedophile. They got in a relationship with Sandusky first, and then, over the years, I'm sure they got a little uncomfortable (not enough to know), and then finally when it hit them.....wow, this guy is a pedophile. So, to me, we are only arguing to what degree did Raykovitz have more responsibility than Spanier, which surely only rests upon how much better was he in position to stop it. Many have commented that JR is trained, Spanier not, etc. Whatever. Minor differences.

Finally, others seem obsessed with Corbett, Fina and the political angle. Come on! Corbett's lost his re-election in November of 2014. Surely if this is some crazy vendetta on his part, Wolf (his complete opposite) would have stopped it over the last two years. They didn't because, while there are always politics involved, there weren't any unusual politics. Just the usual - which actions will make me look best. In Corbett's case - virtue signaling and being the "most outraged" suited him politically. For Wolf - stopping the DA means being a "pedophile enabler".

So, here is the truth, easy and succinct.

1. Sandusky is the monster. 98% of the blame goes to him.

2. Normal humans aren't wired to deal with pedophilia. We understand murder and robbery and assault. We don't understand pedophilia.

3. Everyone has great self-preservation instincts. It helped us evolve. Virtue signaling and blaming of others has been going on since we were in the caves. No surprise that when the story broke everyone was quick to condemn everyone and anyone they could find. If you're outraged, I mean crazy outraged, then surely you must not be at fault. Explains the BOT exactly. Sadly, today's leaders are not any different than the herd. That doesn't make them horrible people, just makes them "bosses, but not leaders".

Basically the way I've viewed this, but I will always remain suspicious of the BOT and their actions....

Did Surma and others really have a vendetta against Paterno, and did they use this as a way to destroy him?

.............. Was this the real conspiracy?

 

[anon_1eeb2b426hv3y]

smithtonlion, you're right. But so is bjf1991.

Sure, self preservation, human nature. It's understandable, but it's not acceptable. And the institutions society has tasked with doing what's right, as opposed to what's natural or instinctual, arent digging for answers as they should.

 

[rudedude]

Are you saying that people are conspiring not to look at what really happened? If so, I may agree, but only partially. So, if you are saying:

1. TSM knew and could have done something. I agree.
2. BOT knew and could have done something. I agree.
3. Cops and DA knew in 1998 and could have done more. I agree.
4. But if you're saying there's something other than "holy shit, we (TSM) better make sure we don't get dragged into this mess", then I disagree. Simple self-preservation on their part. No way, no how, they wanted JS to happen, or covered for him.
5. Same thing with the BOT - whenever they found out, even if it was only when it all broke loose - their only instinct was to make sure they didn't get tarred.

That's it. No conspiracy. Just caveman instincts to avoid tarring and feathering and to avoid the mob. On everyone's part. BOT, TSM, MM, DA, everyone.

So when you say that everyone else (BOT, TSM, DA, etc) are happy to not look any further, OF COURSE they are. Because "pedophilia enabler" charge in the media is life changing.

I don't blame them. When irrational media is "shoot first, figure out facts later", there's really no other way to play it. Look there, not here.

How was TSM allowed to magically disappear as an entity and has no culpability in any of this at all? That to me speaks loudly of $$$$ behind all of this and some people having a tremendous fear of exposure. It's way more complex than people just making mistakes. C'mon, Penn State bearing the brunt of Sandusky's actions? That does not make any sense whatsoever. If it was as simple as a few administrators making a mistake then why are we millions of dollars into this morass? I think it's something way deeper and more nefarious. Corruption at its finest and related to the simple phrase, "Money talks bullshit walks".

 

[anon_1eeb2b426hv3y]

Oh yeah, and Spanier's team was right on the law. And it was reasonable to stop at "they didn't make their case." But they weren't saying that in appellate court. They took that position in a heated trial where the jury and community expected more. It was reasonable, but it was a gamble after all the prosecution's theatrics.

And after all this time, for Schultz to turn over and finally describe JS as naked and in position behind that boy when pointing a finger at Spanier, who didn't get that message from him, was despicable.

As for TSM, I have to think the anonymous tip that reopened this whole case came from there, directly or indirectly. And a deal was struck early and stuck to.

 

[bjf1991]

Oh yeah, and Spanier's team was right on the law. And it was reasonable to stop at "they didn't make their case." But they weren't saying that in appellate court. They took that position in a heated trial where the jury and community expected more. It was reasonable, but it was a gamble after all the prosecution's theatrics.

And after all this time, for Schultz to turn over and finally describe JS as naked and in position behind that boy when pointing a finger at Spanier, who didn't get that message from him, was despicable.

As for TSM, I have to think the anonymous tip that reopened this whole case came from there, directly or indirectly. And a deal was struck early and stuck to.

How many times - over the last five years - have we heard:

"We look forward to our day in court. When we will have the opportunity to set the record straight"?

How many times?

Yeah....to those folks - - - - - F You!

 

[anon_1eeb2b426hv3y]

Hard to disagree with the sentiment.

 

[Alphalion75]

Totally irrational post. It isn't like the mob. It isn't much of a conspiracy. It is simple human weakness.

I don't like these, guys, especially Spanier.

But let's keep some perspective here.

This was THROWN in their laps. No one chooses to be told that it is THEIR JOB to deal with an accusation of pedophilia that's going to be very public with a hot magnifying lens.

These people did nothing wrong, harmed no one, took nothing, themselves. They simply failed to stop it. And yes, it is pretty clear that they had a chance to stop it....as did others.

Other people on this board seem obsessed with finding a way to hang it on Jack Raykovitz or other Second Mile personnel....and maybe I get that, but honestly, aren't they basically in the same boat? People who had Sandusky thrown in their laps. Sure you can say that they loved Sandusky, etc. But no one gets into a relationship with a person they know is a pedophile. They got in a relationship with Sandusky first, and then, over the years, I'm sure they got a little uncomfortable (not enough to know), and then finally when it hit them.....wow, this guy is a pedophile. So, to me, we are only arguing to what degree did Raykovitz have more responsibility than Spanier, which surely only rests upon how much better was he in position to stop it. Many have commented that JR is trained, Spanier not, etc. Whatever. Minor differences.

Finally, others seem obsessed with Corbett, Fina and the political angle. Come on! Corbett's lost his re-election in November of 2014. Surely if this is some crazy vendetta on his part, Wolf (his complete opposite) would have stopped it over the last two years. They didn't because, while there are always politics involved, there weren't any unusual politics. Just the usual - which actions will make me look best. In Corbett's case - virtue signaling and being the "most outraged" suited him politically. For Wolf - stopping the DA means being a "pedophile enabler".

So, here is the truth, easy and succinct.

1. Sandusky is the monster. 98% of the blame goes to him.

2. Normal humans aren't wired to deal with pedophilia. We understand murder and robbery and assault. We don't understand pedophilia.

3. Everyone has great self-preservation instincts. It helped us evolve. Virtue signaling and blaming of others has been going on since we were in the caves. No surprise that when the story broke everyone was quick to condemn everyone and anyone they could find. If you're outraged, I mean crazy outraged, then surely you must not be at fault. Explains the BOT exactly. Sadly, today's leaders are not any different than the herd. That doesn't make them horrible people, just makes them "bosses, but not leaders".

Bottom line.....there should be a WHOLE lot of of people in ahead of CSS on the guilty train. Think.....the second mile, relatives and close friends of JS. Now mind you, most of these people had no responsibility to report, but they sure had a moral responsibility. Are they any less guilty? And Joe....truthfully if we sat down and listed all the people who knew about JS before Joe would know, the list would probably approach 100 names.

 

[Legion of Lions]

Basically the way I've viewed this, but I will always remain suspicious of the BOT and their actions....

Did Surma and others really have a vendetta against Paterno, and did they use this as a way to destroy him?

.............. Was this the real conspiracy?

You bet your fat ass this entire matter was professionally engineered - meaning "experts in creating DESIRED public reactions". It is not the "random acts of mismanagement" by our OGBOT (a common approach to explaining the bizarre actions of the BOT over the years) that has "enabled" this crime ....for without the control of Penn State's official response to all of this, we would be only talking about how we need to fix our basketball program - NOT SANDUSKY and any of his "fallout". This is simply a "collusion of convenience" (or a collusion of opportunity - take your pick) by a number of agencies with agendas that have only one purpose - DESTROY PENN STATE's HISTORICAL "PURE" IMAGE. WHY.....because this illusion gives them MONEY & POWER.

Concerning the TOTAL CASE over 6 years - no one has effectively looked at the MOTIVES here - if we did, we would see WHY this all happened. Rather than looking at the real reason Penn State needed to vilified to the public, we, as the Penn State Community, have followed the path "engineered" for us - focus on the PEOPLE publicly named in this and then debate the "misinformation" created by the OAG GJP, OAG versions of "testimony" and information that can never be vetted and is therefore USELESS in understanding "THE TRUTH".

The motive here is $$$MONEY$$$. This is a crime and all crimes involve money. EACH entity that participated in this "collusion of convenience" has a MONEY motive to promote PSU "Criminal Football Guilt". If you HONESTLY review the past 6 years you will see what I mean. For me to detail ALL the SUSPICIOUS FACTS that support this collusion would take PAGES. Based upon the past, only the "Troll Patrol" would even attempt to read this listing - then they would one line a response that states "YOUR NUTS".

This Crime AGAINST PSU - up to today in 2017 - is all about selfish MOTIVES and MONEY!!!
It is all about hiding "the truth" from the public.

 

[richie83]

How many times - over the last five years - have we heard:

"We look forward to our day in court. When we will have the opportunity to set the record straight"?

How many times?

Yeah....to those folks - - - - - F You!

I second that. F you to everyone. We have waited 6 years and nothing. You have been right about this from the beginning Barry. So freakin disappointing. Spanier at least manned up for a trial and then decides to clam up. We got no info from any witness. Are we ever going to find out something. I so sick of shit like what Tom says. I have info but can't tell you. F those insiders too. This thing is OVER. It's too late for anything. We could have freakin Ray Gricar come out of the witness protection program and nobody would give a shit. This whoLe thing SUCKS.

 

[dawgduice]

"They" should have reported the incident to the "proper" authorities. That is all. The "authorities" would have investigated and found nothing. End of story. BUT, they did not make the call. In my work career I have been faced with similar situations, I ALWAYS made the call.

 

[delcoLion]

Basically the way I've viewed this, but I will always remain suspicious of the BOT and their actions....

Did Surma and others really have a vendetta against Paterno, and did they use this as a way to destroy him?

.............. Was this the real conspiracy?

Late to the discussion, but I have always concluded that the BoT had something against Paterno. There was absolutely no reason to fire him at the time. That was nothing less that throwing the guy overboard with cement shoes. Somebody or some group saw this as their chance to destroy him, so they went with it. What that "something" is, I can't say, but these matters are usually personal vendettas or financial.

For those guys, it's mission accomplished, unfortunately.

Well, we'll never know unless C/S/S give their side of the story someday.

 

[TheGLOV]

Totally irrational post. It isn't like the mob. It isn't much of a conspiracy. It is simple human weakness.

I don't like these, guys, especially Spanier.

But let's keep some perspective here.

This was THROWN in their laps. No one chooses to be told that it is THEIR JOB to deal with an accusation of pedophilia that's going to be very public with a hot magnifying lens.

These people did nothing wrong, harmed no one, took nothing, themselves. They simply failed to stop it. And yes, it is pretty clear that they had a chance to stop it....as did others.

Other people on this board seem obsessed with finding a way to hang it on Jack Raykovitz or other Second Mile personnel....and maybe I get that, but honestly, aren't they basically in the same boat? People who had Sandusky thrown in their laps. Sure you can say that they loved Sandusky, etc. But no one gets into a relationship with a person they know is a pedophile. They got in a relationship with Sandusky first, and then, over the years, I'm sure they got a little uncomfortable (not enough to know), and then finally when it hit them.....wow, this guy is a pedophile. So, to me, we are only arguing to what degree did Raykovitz have more responsibility than Spanier, which surely only rests upon how much better was he in position to stop it. Many have commented that JR is trained, Spanier not, etc. Whatever. Minor differences.

Finally, others seem obsessed with Corbett, Fina and the political angle. Come on! Corbett's lost his re-election in November of 2014. Surely if this is some crazy vendetta on his part, Wolf (his complete opposite) would have stopped it over the last two years. They didn't because, while there are always politics involved, there weren't any unusual politics. Just the usual - which actions will make me look best. In Corbett's case - virtue signaling and being the "most outraged" suited him politically. For Wolf - stopping the DA means being a "pedophile enabler".

So, here is the truth, easy and succinct.

1. Sandusky is the monster. 98% of the blame goes to him.

2. Normal humans aren't wired to deal with pedophilia. We understand murder and robbery and assault. We don't understand pedophilia.

3. Everyone has great self-preservation instincts. It helped us evolve. Virtue signaling and blaming of others has been going on since we were in the caves. No surprise that when the story broke everyone was quick to condemn everyone and anyone they could find. If you're outraged, I mean crazy outraged, then surely you must not be at fault. Explains the BOT exactly. Sadly, today's leaders are not any different than the herd. That doesn't make them horrible people, just makes them "bosses, but not leaders".

Dottie enabled him. SHE is the elephant in the room. No question about it.

 

[mn78psu83]

Late to the discussion, but I have always concluded that the BoT had something against Paterno. There was absolutely no reason to fire him at the time. That was nothing less that throwing the guy overboard with cement shoes. Somebody or some group saw this as their chance to destroy him, so they went with it.

Apparently, the opportunity some had relished.

 

[Evan Ceg]

Maybe Raykovitz should have been charged with at least EWOC and TSM should have been more thoroughly investigated, but I fail to see how TSM's culpability in any way diminishes Penn State's failure to react with more alarm and intention to McQueary's report.

 

[mn78psu83]

Maybe Raykovitz should have been charged with at least EWOC and TSM should have been more thoroughly investigated, but I fail to see how TSM's culpability in any way diminishes Penn State's failure to react with more alarm and intention to McQueary's report.

Elliot Strokoff agrees - his bank account too.