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Absolutely not. This group is antithetical to Success with Honor.
 
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Aren’t these collectives “frowned upon” by the NCAA?
 
cvilleelkscoach said:
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Why don’t you explain your response so we can laugh at it.
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I think his reference is to founders of SWH that also were in charge of the BOT when Paterno got railroaded.

My biggest concern however is that the founders are a collection of state college power brokers that could use the donations towards or siphon for enriching their own business interests rather than fully committing to the interests of Penn state football. At least one founder may have sold out PSU football before.

I have yet to see advertising even on the SWH website of any actual NIL deals for student athletes that they have made happen with these donations. It's a legit concern.
 
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I must say it's an impressive advisory board.

That said, the whole NIL thing just depresses me. Forever, the idea was to keep a level playing field among programs. That could never be fully achieved of course, and many programs cheated - but at least the effort was made. I don't know how to interpret NIL as anything other than empowering the richest programs to pay the most for the best talent. How does not not lead to even worse disparity than we already have? I'm not optimistic about the future of CFB.

Admission - if I was a talented HS athlete and this kind of $ was being waived in my face, would I have taken it? Hell yeah. As a fan...I still hate it.
 
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cvilleelkscoach said:
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Why don’t you explain your response so we can laugh at it.
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The seedy underbelly of college sports involved paying players and providing inducements. SWH was about winning/succeeding while not ignoring the "student" part of student-athlete and focusing on turning teenagers into productive adults.

IMHO, NIL has legalized the seedy underbelly and is contrary to SWH.
For that reason, I don't think PSU is going to see a bunch of crowd sourcing of NIL funds, nor a bunch of whales ponying up high 6/7 figures.
 
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I think we will be going back to the 1A and 1AA formula. About 20 to 30 teams in 1A. The rest of Div 1 to 1AA. Basically, becoming a minor league for 1A. As that 3 star recruit becomes a superstar they will get paid to move up.
 
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heckmans said:
The seedy underbelly of college sports involved paying players and providing inducements. SWH was about winning/succeeding while not ignoring the "student" part of student-athlete and focusing on turning teenagers into productive adults.

IMHO, NIL has legalized the seedy underbelly and is contrary to SWH.
For that reason, I don't think PSU is going to see a bunch of crowd sourcing of NIL funds, nor a bunch of whales ponying up high 6/7 figures.
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It’s the end of college sports as we know it.
 
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It’s the end of college sports as we know it.
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100%!!! We've reached peak football.
IMHO, we see a P1 made of those that pay to play and the rest of FBS goes to a 2nd tier.....or, major college sports go by the wayside in favor of the professional development systems like what we see for soccer.
 
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heckmans said:
100%!!! We've reached peak football.
IMHO, we see a P1 made of those that pay to play and the rest of FBS goes to a 2nd tier.....or, major college sports go by the wayside in favor of the professional development systems like what we see for soccer.
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Yep, I’m just losing my interest.
 
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heckmans said:
100%!!! We've reached peak football.
IMHO, we see a P1 made of those that pay to play and the rest of FBS goes to a 2nd tier.....or, major college sports go by the wayside in favor of the professional development systems like what we see for soccer.
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The NBA already has the G league. Hockey already has it. The NFL isn’t going to start a development league unless ncaa football collapses. Baseball has minor league and maybe there is some impact there.

The other sports simply won’t have this problem. There will be some NIL but not remotely to the same scale.
 
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Maybe also because it's the exact same teams mostly in the playoffs every year? College football has become a pay for play with no salary cap. The only changes now are teams like Texas A&M buying their way into the top tier.
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Yep, that’s part of it. I hate writing so putting my thoughts down in one long post isn’t something I’d feel like doing. But if we were sitting down for a beer I could lay it out better.
Everyone sold out for TV, the fans to the schools to coaches and players.
The huge money expansion of media brought to it changed it from a unique game to any other pro sport.
Yes there were always bag men and such but their was an attempt to keep it a college sport for many. Remember when Lou Holtz came to ND? He started recruiting players slightly under their academic standards . Every big school works to keep kids eligible .
The academic standards became bench marks to make , not acceptable minimums .
 
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Cowbell Man said:
The NBA already has the G league. Hockey already has it. The NFL isn’t going to start a development league unless ncaa football collapses. Baseball has minor league and maybe there is some impact there.

The other sports simply won’t have this problem. There will be some NIL but not remotely to the same scale.
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I don't think this will end well, but I am curious about how this settles eventually.

What happens at a school like ATM when they don't win a natty? Are they going to keep throwing big money at these players? What happens when individual players don't pan out? Are they going to turn on Jimbo because he can't identify the studs or coach up the ones he landed?
 
SheldonJoe2215 said:
I don't think this will end well, but I am curious about how this settles eventually.

What happens at a school like ATM when they don't win a natty? Are they going to keep throwing big money at these players? What happens when individual players don't pan out? Are they going to turn on Jimbo because he can't identify the studs or coach up the ones he landed?
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That's the big unknown right now. I have read that teams like Alabama, Georgia, Clemson and OSU are not throwing NIL money at HS recruits instead telling them that the NIL money will be there once they prove themselves on the field using player like Bryce Young and CJ Stroud as examples. Alabama and OSU also have the luxury of having the most players in the NFL which they're also pushing at HS recruits. And high-profile recruits seem to be buying in.

Programs like Texas A&M, Tennessee, and possibly Louisville don't have this luxury. The massive amount of NIL money they're waving in front of recruits is staggering. Like you said, it will be interesting if these schools don't win a few championships in the next few years
 
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Feels like the Steelers or Browns asking for more money. Then, these players have zero allegiance to the Steelers or Browns. When their contract is up, they go to the highest bidder (for the most part). hey, their pros, I get it. But college was always about repping the school, not the money. College football, as we once knew it, is simply over. I have to decide if I want to continue to be emotionally invested in PSU.

One consequence is that the not booing of college players will go away. They are now pros. If they are being paid and underperforming, the fans have every right to boo them.
 
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That's the big unknown right now. I have read that teams like Alabama, Georgia, Clemson and OSU are not throwing NIL money at HS recruits instead telling them that the NIL money will be there once they prove themselves on the field using player like Bryce Young and CJ Stroud as examples. Alabama and OSU also have the luxury of having the most players in the NFL which they're also pushing at HS recruits. And high-profile recruits seem to be buying in.

Programs like Texas A&M, Tennessee, and possibly Louisville don't have this luxury. The massive amount of NIL money they're waving in front of recruits is staggering. Like you said, it will be interesting if these schools don't win a few championships in the next few years
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Exactly right.

The Bamas and OSUs don't need to pay kids up front. NFL 1st round money and prospect for fancy cars and cash if they prove themselves is incentive enough to go to those schools from a $ perspective.

What's interesting is the LVilles of the world cashing in. They just got the #1 RB in the 2023 class yesterday, and they got a top-50 WR from southern California a few weeks ago. To freakin Louisville. Problem is, is that sustainable? And what happens if those kids go bust?

We're in the wild west days of NIL right now, but I suspect things will settle over the next few years. Or, alternatively, it mushrooms and ends CFB as we know it. Hard to say.
 
NittanyIllinois said:
Exactly right.

The Bamas and OSUs don't need to pay kids up front. NFL 1st round money and prospect for fancy cars and cash if they prove themselves is incentive enough to go to those schools from a $ perspective.

What's interesting is the LVilles of the world cashing in. They just got the #1 RB in the 2023 class yesterday, and they got a top-50 WR from southern California a few weeks ago. To freakin Louisville. Problem is, is that sustainable? And what happens if those kids go bust?

We're in the wild west days of NIL right now, but I suspect things will settle over the next few years. Or, alternatively, it mushrooms and ends CFB as we know it. Hard to say.
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That's the million-dollar question right now.
 
Obliviax said:
Feels like the Steelers or Browns asking for more money. Then, these players have zero allegiance to the Steelers or Browns. When their contract is up, they go to the highest bidder (for the most part). hey, their pros, I get it. But college was always about repping the school, not the money. College football, as we once knew it, is simply over. I have to decide if I want to continue to be emotionally invested in PSU.

One consequence is that the not booing of college players will go away. They are now pros. If they are being paid and underperforming, the fans have every right to boo them.
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i am in the same place. I have reason to goto games this year and be emotionally invested in PSU football but due to graduation that will not be the case after this year. I have already made the decision that unfortunately my 35+ years revolving my Saturdays from September through Thanksgiving around PSU and college football will be over. I will watch PSU and college football the same way I watch the NFL which is basically if I don't have anything else planned I will watch. But I will not be buying season tickets nor plan my saturdays and weekends around PSU and college football. I found that during Covid, I could easily occupy my time with other ventures and hobbies so that will be what happens.
 
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ut I will not be buying season tickets nor plan my saturdays and weekends around PSU and college football. I found that during Covid, I could easily occupy my time with other ventures and hobbies so that will be what happens.
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It's liberating. Like leaving a job where you worked for 35 years and always had your hours cut, pay cut, benefits taken away, reputation in the marketplace crushed, and they told you how spoiled you were to be able to work there.
 
WaylonJ said:
It's liberating. Like leaving a job where you worked for 35 years and always had your hours cut, pay cut, benefits taken away, reputation in the marketplace crushed, and they told you how spoiled you were to be able to work there.
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I am actually quite thankful for James Franklin. I was all in every year since my first year in Happy Valley. Then Franklin showed up and with him, the worst offensive coaching staff in history. Then came the rumors of him pushing aside and actually benching some of those that kept the program together in 2012 and 2013. Then the tiff between him and Donovan Smith that was very public. I came to the conclusion that Franklin is toxic in 2015. Yes that is my opinion. He will recruit well enough that he'll generally keep the team above .500 but without O'Brien's Lions and Joe Moorhead, will not sniff a Big Ten championship. But, as some of the trolls here like to say, he is making bank so good for him. He is the most overpaid coach in college football history when you look at the terms of his contract. That is embarrassing. Thankfully, due to Franklin, I am not longer invested as I once was.
 
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Everything that was illegal is now legal. Not to mention free agency on top of it all.
I don't see this ending well.

Maybe people should find a Division 3 school to root for.
 
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To get the best you have to pay to play. Just sent in $1000.00
 
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