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Dear HR Posters; re Nico

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Dear Hawkeye Report Posters,

I get that you are disappointed about Thomas Gilman’s loss in the finals. I even get that you wanted another stalling call in the third period against Nico. Nico wasn’t about to be aggressive with that lead and risk a repeat of what happened to him in the finals against Delgado.

But the over the top besmirching of Nico’s reputation by suggesting that he is a staller is uncalled for and incorrect. I don’t have the exact statistic but I am certain that during the entire season Nico was called for stalling fewer than five times. In sixteen dual matches he scored 72 takedowns while yielding 1. The facts simply contradict your assertions.

If Thomas or Corey achieve their goal as seniors next year, you will understand the joy that we feel over Nico, after second, second, and third finishes, finally having his unbelievable hard work pay off. He is an outstanding young man, a great student and an aggressive wrestler who is always moving forward in wrestling and in life.
 
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The threads about Megaludis and Retherford over this past season have been awful. I think it is rather fitting that those guys knocked off Iowa wrestlers in the finals. Zain majoring Sorenson and picking up the most dominant wrestler award really had to make some of them feel foolish, well at least you would think so.
 
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Any time you ride on the horizon, somebody's going to take shots at you. Let them shoot.
 
Flying_Tiger said:
The threads about Megaludis and Retherford over this past season have been awful. I think it is rather fitting that those guys knocked off Iowa wrestlers in the finals. Zain majoring Sorenson and picking up the most dominant wrestler award really had to make some of them feel foolish, well at least you would think so.
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Tell me if you agree, but I thought Nico's performance was the best I've ever seen him wrestle. He was totally on top of his game against Gilman. That takedown where he reached across and grabbed Gilman's right leg and then lifted him off the mat and dumped him was an incredible display of position awareness. When he got that takedown, I knew he was going to win. I also think he did the right thing at the end by avoiding too much contact. He did risk a last second stall call, but it didn't end that way so it's basically a moot point.
 
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Absolutely, he wrestled great and was clearly the better wrestler. Furthermore, when you look at what happened to Gwiz, it was smart to make Gilman force the action in the third.
 
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Tell me if you agree, but I thought Nico's performance was the best I've ever seen him wrestle. He was totally on top of his game against Gilman. That takedown where he reached across and grabbed Gilman's right leg and then lifted him off the mat and dumped him was an incredible display of position awareness. When he got that takedown, I knew he was going to win. I also think he did the right thing at the end by avoiding too much contact. He did risk a last second stall call, but it didn't end that way so it's basically a moot point.
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I thought he looked fantastic in both the semis and the finals. Peaked at exactly the right time.
 
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The posters on HR like to feel as though they are just so much more knowledgeable than any other fan base. They are not, they have just as many ass hats if not more than any other forum. They do have a handful of respectful knowledgeable posters as do we and most forums. The "new kids on the block" deal is worn. Had PA kept most of it's home grown talent in state this success would have happen long ago. How many Pa kids went on to great success at Iowa or Okla State? How many kids from Iowa or Okla State have great success here at Penn State? Not many if any. Also realize that in Iowa there is just nothing really to follow. No major league sports teams to follow so of course they will follow their Hawkeyes very closely there is nothing else locally to follow. Something I heard a long time ago that helps with people/groups like this "You cannot win an argument with an idiot, he/she sill beat you with their experience every time".
 
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raslen007 said:
The posters on HR like to feel as though they are just so much more knowledgeable than any other fan base. They are not, they have just as many ass hats if not more than any other forum. They do have a handful of respectful knowledgeable posters as do we and most forums. The "new kids on the block" deal is worn. Had PA kept most of it's home grown talent in state this success would have happen long ago. How many Pa kids went on to great success at Iowa or Okla State? How many kids from Iowa or Okla State have great success here at Penn State? Not many if any. Also realize that in Iowa there is just nothing really to follow. No major league sports teams to follow so of course they will follow their Hawkeyes very closely there is nothing else locally to follow. Something I heard a long time ago that helps with people/groups like this "You cannot win an argument with an idiot, he/she sill beat you with their experience every time".
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Truth be known the Iowa run is gone and has been for a number of years. They will fall even further behind since other teams are now ahead of them....
 
spyker said:
Truth be known the Iowa run is gone and has been for a number of years. They will fall even further behind since other teams are now ahead of them....
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I agree Spyker, but why did you accuse Conaway of quitting to end his career? That was classless considering what Jordan has given this program. Comments like that are why nobody takes you serious or respects you.
 
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seeyajohn said:
Dear Hawkeye Report Posters,

I get that you are disappointed about Thomas Gilman’s loss in the finals. I even get that you wanted another stalling call in the third period against Nico. Nico wasn’t about to be aggressive with that lead and risk a repeat of what happened to him in the finals against Delgado.

But the over the top besmirching of Nico’s reputation by suggesting that he is a staller is uncalled for and incorrect. I don’t have the exact statistic but I am certain that during the entire season Nico was called for stalling fewer than five times. In sixteen dual matches he scored 72 takedowns while yielding 1. The facts simply contradict your assertions.

If Thomas or Corey achieve their goal as seniors next year, you will understand the joy that we feel over Nico, after second, second, and third finishes, finally having his unbelievable hard work pay off. He is an outstanding young man, a great student and an aggressive wrestler who is always moving forward in wrestling and in life.
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For years Iowa kids would bully, push shove and take a shot at the mat's edge. They would do this over and over and the Iowa fans would start the chant "heeeeeee's ssssstaaaaallllling" Gable would stand raise his fist, stomp his foot and the refs would capitulate with the automatic stall call. If the match was tied there would be a point for the win, or a point to tie or the other kid would react with a bad, extended shot and Iowa would win with a short offense TD.

That is all that many know. It doesn't work that way anymore and the reason for the truly venom filled bitterness is as a collective they are confused and bewildered. If you or I showed such a lack of knowledge of a subject that we had studied all our lives, and were exhibiting similar signs of projected anger we would be diagnosed as mid staged dementia.
 
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AgSurfer said:
Tell me if you agree, but I thought Nico's performance was the best I've ever seen him wrestle. He was totally on top of his game against Gilman. That takedown where he reached across and grabbed Gilman's right leg and then lifted him off the mat and dumped him was an incredible display of position awareness. When he got that takedown, I knew he was going to win. I also think he did the right thing at the end by avoiding too much contact. He did risk a last second stall call, but it didn't end that way so it's basically a moot point.
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Absolutely spot on Surfer. Physically and tactically his best match. Beat a terrific wrestler to win his much deserved title.
 
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raslen007 said:
The posters on HR like to feel as though they are just so much more knowledgeable than any other fan base. They are not, they have just as many ass hats if not more than any other forum. They do have a handful of respectful knowledgeable posters as do we and most forums. The "new kids on the block" deal is worn. Had PA kept most of it's home grown talent in state this success would have happen long ago. How many Pa kids went on to great success at Iowa or Okla State? How many kids from Iowa or Okla State have great success here at Penn State? Not many if any. Also realize that in Iowa there is just nothing really to follow. No major league sports teams to follow so of course they will follow their Hawkeyes very closely there is nothing else locally to follow. Something I heard a long time ago that helps with people/groups like this "You cannot win an argument with an idiot, he/she sill beat you with their experience every time".
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Let the HR posters stew in their own bitter juices for awhile. The good posters there will retake control of that board and the whiney losers will blow away in the Iowa wind. Good riddance.
 
nitlion6 said:
For years Iowa kids would bully, push shove and take a shot at the mat's edge. They would do this over and over and the Iowa fans would start the chant "heeeeeee's ssssstaaaaallllling" Gable would stand raise his fist, stomp his foot and the refs would capitulate with the automatic stall call. If the match was tied there would be a point for the win, or a point to tie or the other kid would react with a bad, extended shot and Iowa would win with a short offense TD.

That is all that many know. It doesn't work that way anymore and the reason for the truly venom filled bitterness is as a collective they are confused and bewildered. If you or I showed such a lack of knowledge of a subject that we had studied all our lives, and were exhibiting similar signs of projected anger we would be diagnosed as mid staged dementia.
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This is an extremely accurate post for so many reasons. Iowa has taken the approach of facing tough competition in friendly environments only unless the schedule from BIG forces a tough road dual. The Midlands is essentially an Iowa home meet with the crowd heavily Iowa and therefore the crowd can influence officiating. The NCAA tournament has no home mat advantage so the officiating offers less homer calls. If you are used to getting every call you will always consider fair officiating as biased against you. Iowa needs to go to Vegas or the Scuffle to get better competition and offer the guys a chance to compete without the third helper on the mat. It is too late to find out who you really are at the NCAA. It was worse this year because even the BIG was in Iowa City. When there was a weekend to go test the team they headed out to face a second rate NAIA team in Montana. NC State and OSU were both at home. Midlands might as well be home. BIG was at home. Where was the tough challenge in a hostile environment? It wasn't there.
 
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To me it's simple, Gilman got take out twice early so Nico didn't have to shoot aggressively to win. If Gilman could have stopped Nico early, it'd be a non issue. He didn't and got owned.
 
Nico has done exactly what Bo ended up doing last night, took high risk chances. Bo will learn from that just as Nico did. Nico forced last minute chances and it cost him. Last night was the smartest match he's wrestled. Hats off to Nico!
 
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This is all I have to say about the subject.
 
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Nico has done exactly what Bo ended up doing last night, took high risk chances. Bo will learn from that just as Nico did. Nico forced last minute chances and it cost him. Last night was the smartest match he's wrestled. Hats off to Nico!
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That's exactly what cost him the match against Dance. He had a nice ride going then took a chance on a turn and gave up the reversal. He wins if he rode him out, or even gives up an escape.
 
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A lot of hawkeye fans are saying that Nico only scored off of shots initiated by Gilman. I agree that was the case on the first takedown, but I don't see how they can say that about the second takedown. I just re-watched the match and if that was a shot attempt by Gilman then it was a terrible attempt.
 
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