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Decompression at the NCAA Championships

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It's the toughest qualifying tourney in the country. 14 schools wrestling in a tournament where an average of 9 wrestlers per weight class will wrestle less than two weeks later at the NCAA Championship. That's 64%! But that's not why I'm posting.

Eight wrestlers at each weight class earn placement points at B1G's, same as at NCAA's. The points are the same too, from 1st though 8th respectively; 16, 12, 10, 9, 7, 6, 4, 3.

Let's think about this for a second. 8 of 14 wrestlers earn placement points at B1G's, while it's 8 of 33 at the national tourney. I call that decompression. Once wrestlers from the other six qualifying tourneys are inserted, generally wrestlers move down the seeding ladder. The two exceptions are; (1) a #1 seed that's also ranked #1 won't move, and maybe a #2 and/or #3 (such as at 141) will stay high too if a conference is loaded at the top, and (2) a wrestler that has a tremendous qualifying tourney could actually IMPROVE their seed at NCAA's.

Why is this important? It's important because this "decompression" causes an entirely different dynamic at the NCAA's. Middle-placers, and low-placers at B1G's are less likely to score placement points at NCAA's. That is HUGE. Granted, there are exceptions each year, but on-average, it's true. Even high-end finishers, say 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place could be knocked down a peg or several, and will, on-average, score fewer placement points..

Let's take a look at two years, 2017 and 2018. Ohio State won Big Ten's those years by 9.5 and 16.5 points respectively. Yet Penn State won NCAA's by 36.5 and 8 points in those same years, with tOSU finishing second.

One fact that neutralizes decompression is having #1 ranked guys. #1 seeds fare pretty well at NCAA's, winning in the neighborhood of 60% of the titles. They do not decompress to a lower seed. Point is, having a lot of highest-end guys makes it more difficult for other teams to catch or overtake them. In years 2016 through 2019, when Penn State had 5 finalists each of those years, it was tough for other teams to overcome. In those years, only when Ohio State had arguably their best team ever in 2018 was it close as they were able to match us with 8 All-Americans, 6 of those being top-4.
 
Let's take a look at two years, 2017 and 2018. Ohio State won Big Ten's those years by 9.5 and 16.5 points respectively. Yet Penn State won NCAA's by 36.5 and 8 points in those same years, with tOSU finishing second.

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It's the toughest qualifying tourney in the country. 14 schools wrestling in a tournament where an average of 9 wrestlers per weight class will wrestle less than two weeks later at the NCAA Championship. That's 64%! But that's not why I'm posting.

Eight wrestlers at each weight class earn placement points at B1G's, same as at NCAA's. The points are the same too, from 1st though 8th respectively; 16, 12, 10, 9, 7, 6, 4, 3.

Let's think about this for a second. 8 of 14 wrestlers earn placement points at B1G's, while it's 8 of 33 at the national tourney. I call that decompression. Once wrestlers from the other six qualifying tourneys are inserted, generally wrestlers move down the seeding ladder. The two exceptions are; (1) a #1 seed that's also ranked #1 won't move, and maybe a #2 and/or #3 (such as at 141) will stay high too if a conference is loaded at the top, and (2) a wrestler that has a tremendous qualifying tourney could actually IMPROVE their seed at NCAA's.

Why is this important? It's important because this "decompression" causes an entirely different dynamic at the NCAA's. Middle-placers, and low-placers at B1G's are less likely to score placement points at NCAA's. That is HUGE. Granted, there are exceptions each year, but on-average, it's true. Even high-end finishers, say 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place could be knocked down a peg or several, and will, on-average, score fewer placement points..

Let's take a look at two years, 2017 and 2018. Ohio State won Big Ten's those years by 9.5 and 16.5 points respectively. Yet Penn State won NCAA's by 36.5 and 8 points in those same years, with tOSU finishing second.

One fact that neutralizes decompression is having #1 ranked guys. #1 seeds fare pretty well at NCAA's, winning in the neighborhood of 60% of the titles. They do not decompress to a lower seed. Point is, having a lot of highest-end guys makes it more difficult for other teams to catch or overtake them. In years 2016 through 2019, when Penn State had 5 finalists each of those years, it was tough for other teams to overcome. In those years, only when Ohio State had arguably their best team ever in 2018 was it close as they were able to match us with 8 All-Americans, 6 of those being top-4.


all of this bodes ill for the Nittany Lions this year. Iowa's six Big Ten finalists to PSU's 4 argues that they will likely spread their margin over us at NCAAs.
 
all of this bodes ill for the Nittany Lions this year. Iowa's six Big Ten finalists to PSU's 4 argues that they will likely spread their margin over us at NCAAs.

I would argue the expanded field will have a bigger impact on Iowa's finalist. in particular Young and DeSanto.

5 of the top-7 wrestlers at 157 are from outside the Big Ten, 9 of the top-11 wresters at 133 are from outside the Big 10. Their seeds (5th and 4th respectively) could serve as good predicters that the top half of the podium will be a tough go for them.

When the dust settles Friday night we might have 4 finalist each. Even so, if we are going to make it a race we will need a couple other guys to wrestle above seed.
 
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It's the toughest qualifying tourney in the country. 14 schools wrestling in a tournament where an average of 9 wrestlers per weight class will wrestle less than two weeks later at the NCAA Championship. That's 64%! But that's not why I'm posting.

Eight wrestlers at each weight class earn placement points at B1G's, same as at NCAA's. The points are the same too, from 1st though 8th respectively; 16, 12, 10, 9, 7, 6, 4, 3.

Let's think about this for a second. 8 of 14 wrestlers earn placement points at B1G's, while it's 8 of 33 at the national tourney. I call that decompression. Once wrestlers from the other six qualifying tourneys are inserted, generally wrestlers move down the seeding ladder. The two exceptions are; (1) a #1 seed that's also ranked #1 won't move, and maybe a #2 and/or #3 (such as at 141) will stay high too if a conference is loaded at the top, and (2) a wrestler that has a tremendous qualifying tourney could actually IMPROVE their seed at NCAA's.

Why is this important? It's important because this "decompression" causes an entirely different dynamic at the NCAA's. Middle-placers, and low-placers at B1G's are less likely to score placement points at NCAA's. That is HUGE. Granted, there are exceptions each year, but on-average, it's true. Even high-end finishers, say 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place could be knocked down a peg or several, and will, on-average, score fewer placement points..

Let's take a look at two years, 2017 and 2018. Ohio State won Big Ten's those years by 9.5 and 16.5 points respectively. Yet Penn State won NCAA's by 36.5 and 8 points in those same years, with tOSU finishing second.

One fact that neutralizes decompression is having #1 ranked guys. #1 seeds fare pretty well at NCAA's, winning in the neighborhood of 60% of the titles. They do not decompress to a lower seed. Point is, having a lot of highest-end guys makes it more difficult for other teams to catch or overtake them. In years 2016 through 2019, when Penn State had 5 finalists each of those years, it was tough for other teams to overcome. In those years, only when Ohio State had arguably their best team ever in 2018 was it close as they were able to match us with 8 All-Americans, 6 of those being top-4.
This is a phenomenon that iowa fans are very familiar with unfortunately. Every year, we were lured into a false sense of hope at big tens that we could threaten, but your big horses were always impossible to overcome in the end. Feels nice to *potentially* be on the other side of it this year.
 
I would argue the expanded field will have a bigger impact on Iowa's finalist. in particular Young and DeSanto.

5 of the top-7 wrestlers at 157 are from outside the Big Ten, 9 of the top-11 wresters at 133 are from outside the Big 10. Their seeds (5th and 4th respectively) could serve as good predicters that the top half of the podium will be a tough go for them.

When the dust settles Friday night we might have 4 finalist each. Even so, if we are going to make it a race we will need a couple other guys to wrestle above seed.

Young and ADS could both outright miss the podium (EXTREMELY doubtful) and Iowa could win comfortably.
 
all of this bodes ill for the Nittany Lions this year. Iowa's six Big Ten finalists to PSU's 4 argues that they will likely spread their margin over us at NCAAs.

Oh Yee of LITTLE FAITH!!! Iowa turtles when everything is on the line!! Watch the Bull, Max Murin, Warner, all go down early. The Krev/Cassoppi match shocked me! I thought Greg would have his way with that tub of lard! I think he will be ready for the rematch. WE CAN DO THIS. This could be the first that the majoirty of college wrestling team (Iowa) can qualify for Social Security Benefits! LETS GO LIONS!! NO PRISONERS!!!!
 
Oh Yee of LITTLE FAITH!!! Iowa turtles when everything is on the line!! Watch the Bull, Max Murin, Warner, all go down early. The Krev/Cassoppi match shocked me! I thought Greg would have his way with that tub of lard! I think he will be ready for the rematch. WE CAN DO THIS. This could be the first that the majoirty of college wrestling team (Iowa) can qualify for Social Security Benefits! LETS GO LIONS!! NO PRISONERS!!!!

👎 just can't help yourself , Embarrassing
 
👎 just can't help yourself , Embarrassing

Nothing embarrassing about that post! Just pure wrestling wisdom! Iowa blows chunks at the Big Dance! That is nothing new? We have been watching the sad spectacle of the Poison Dwarf brother crying and carryon, like the little girlie men that they are, over the past decade as Cael continually kicked them in the nuts! They may finally win one championship this year with their team of 6th year seniors but they will lose the war because this will be their only championship for the next 10 years!
 
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Nothing embarrassing about that post! Just pure wrestling wisdom! Iowa blows chunks at the Big Dance! That is nothing new? We have been watching the sad spectacle of the Poison Dwarf brother crying and carryon like the little girlie man that they are over the past decade as Cael continually kicked them in the nuts! They may finally win one championship this year with their team of 6the year seniors but they will lose the war because this will be there only championship for the next 10 years!
You are quite the character KidTwist😂😂😂
 
I would argue the expanded field will have a bigger impact on Iowa's finalist. in particular Young and DeSanto.

5 of the top-7 wrestlers at 157 are from outside the Big Ten, 9 of the top-11 wresters at 133 are from outside the Big 10. Their seeds (5th and 4th respectively) could serve as good predicters that the top half of the podium will be a tough go for them.

When the dust settles Friday night we might have 4 finalist each. Even so, if we are going to make it a race we will need a couple other guys to wrestle above seed.
Don't forget The Bull--has a history of not wrestling to Seed, Plus the fact that he just has not looked the same in this short season, and the fact that his side of the bracket is loaded with land mines!
 
Don't forget The Bull--has a history of not wrestling to Seed, Plus the fact that he just has not looked the same in this short season, and the fact that his side of the bracket is loaded with land mines!

IMHO The Bull underachieving at NCAAs is overblown. In 2018 he lost to IMar (the champ) and Evan Wick who finished 3rd. Same thing in 2019 as he lost to Lewis (champ who also beat Cenzo) and Marstellar who finished 3rd. Not saying he can't get upset but his bad results at NCAAs are not as bad as they look in hindsight.
 
IMHO The Bull underachieving at NCAAs is overblown. In 2018 he lost to IMar (the champ) and Evan Wick who finished 3rd. Same thing in 2019 as he lost to Lewis (champ who also beat Cenzo) and Marstellar who finished 3rd. Not saying he can't get upset but his bad results at NCAAs are not as bad as they look in hindsight.
Yes he lost to quality opponent's for sure, did not to wrestling to seed, and that was the conversation
 
IMHO The Bull underachieving at NCAAs is overblown. In 2018 he lost to IMar (the champ) and Evan Wick who finished 3rd. Same thing in 2019 as he lost to Lewis (champ who also beat Cenzo) and Marstellar who finished 3rd. Not saying he can't get upset but his bad results at NCAAs are not as bad as they look in hindsight.
There are some talented dudes other than the Bull at 165 again. Some are on his side of the bracket. I expect him to get his first, but I won't be shocked if he stumbles.
 
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For me the Bull still needs to prove himself on at NCAAs. AM at his best should have had a cakewalk through the Big Tens this year, Ethan Smith at #9 is the next highest ranked Big Ten wrestler, yet he went 8-2, 2-0, 3-2.

No doubt he has elite defensive skills, but when you're wrestling a bunch of 1 TD matches a loss can be one mistake away. Starting from the quarters on he will be facing tougher foes than anyone he wrestled at Big Tens.
 
That is a good one and in my 20+ NCAAs probably the loudest roar I ever heard.

Yeah, I called my dad as soon as it happened as we were both in disbelief as I would expect most of the country was.
 
I don't know about you guys, but I'm decompressing after the NCAA Championships.😀🏅🏅🏅🏅
 
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