I’m giving him a chance (honestly, what choice do I have?), I just don’t have high expectations.
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I’m giving him a chance (honestly, what choice do I have?), I just don’t have high expectations.
You are probably right, however, don't we aspire to the top ten teams out there that have close to three deep at every position?
Don't get me wrong, I am very high on this OLine. I believe we have upgraded at both Left Tackle and Right guard from last year. I am just pointing out that I don't think the depth is at an elite level yet at this position group.
Injuries? There's no such thing as injuries anymore. This new/old doc says play through it kid!
Franklin was asked about that in the PC and sort of dodged it. He was asked if Brown would start the second half. He said at this point, they do not know who will start the second half.
This is still a lingering result of the sanctions and BOB choosing to not really recruit OL. We have been playing catch-up, and probably took some kids that might not get offers this year or last. And with the numbers being thin, having a miss (Gellerstadt and his classmate who retired from football, name escapes me) or season ending injury (Nana, Scruggs maybe) magnifies the issue. Add just these last two guys in and the depth chart "looks" much better. Adding 6 OL this year will be another step in rectifying this situation. It does not get fixed overnight. Hope for healthy lineman this year, especially at OT.
Cam Brown is suspended for the 1st half due to the targeting penalty in the bowl game.
Starting two years ago I targeted this year as "our year". This was the year we would contend for the final 4. However, I assumed that Stevens, Bates, and McGovern would be here. Clifford might be a more than adequate replacement for Stevens. However, losing Bates and McGovern really hurt. Just think how good our OL would be this year if we still had Bates and McGovern!
Maybe they really like Miranda and he's the best, and a very good, option at all 3 interior places. And no college football team goes 15 deep on OL. Even elite schools are lucky to have 7 guys that have played at the start of each year
Heres the Clemson depth chart. How many deep would you say they go?
https://www.greenvilleonline.com/st...all-depth-chart-2019-georgia-tech/2125490001/
LT
Jackson Carman- 13 games, 0 starts
Jordan McFadden- 3 games, 0 starts
LG
John Simpson- 36 games, 15 starts
Matt Bockhorst- 13 games, 0 starts
C
Sean Pollard- 40 games, 23 starts
Cade Stewart- 24 games, 1 start
RG
Gage Cervenka- 31 games, 8 starts
Chandler Reeves- 16 games, 0 starts
RT
Tremayne Anchrum- 40 games, 15 starts
Blake Vinson- 11 games, 0 starts
Maybe. But how much did our OL improve last year with those same returning starters?
The sanctions part regards the guys we were able to get in that time frame that would be 3rd to 5th year players. A good number of those have flamed out and are no where to be found on the depth chart.
Is the name evading you Paris Palmer? Rivals has him rated higher than Bates, Jenkins, or Gonzalez.Sure.
Except Penn State was not under any sanctions 3 4 or 5 years ago.
Hell, 5 years ago PSU brought in what many thought would be a killer OL class (Bates, Jenkins, Gonzalez, and I think one more guy who’s name evades me at the moment)
Stout will be kicking off and backing up at punter and FG kicker. If Pinegar does not improve Coach Franklin may not wait long to replace him.
Good news:
1) Shorter is presumably ready to play. I guess we can stop worrying that he's hurt again. Hugely important for the offense.
2) The freshmen backs must have been tremendously impressive AND Journey Brown must have held his own. We already know what Slade can do. So this position could be a real strength.
3) Wade over Brisker is pretty much expected. It's a tremendously difficult position, one of the most important on the D and this is a signal that Wade really earned it. But Brisker may get a lot of time and could be co-starting by midseason as he learns. In any case the position should be in good hands.
4) Kickoffs will be better this year, and if Pinegar struggles, there's a viable 2nd candidate to kick FGs.
The OL -- yeah depth is not great but there's nothing unexpected here. Not a whole lot of OL players with game experience. It would be nice to play the backups a lot during the early season -- except the starters probably need the reps.
1) Shorter is presumably ready to play. I guess we can stop worrying that he's hurt again. Hugely important for the offense.
2) The freshmen backs must have been tremendously impressive AND Journey Brown must have held his own. We already know what Slade can do. So this position could be a real strength.
3) Wade over Brisker is pretty much expected. It's a tremendously difficult position, one of the most important on the D and this is a signal that Wade really earned it. But Brisker may get a lot of time and could be co-starting by midseason as he learns. In any case the position should be in good hands.
4) Kickoffs will be better this year, and if Pinegar struggles, there's a viable 2nd candidate to kick FGs.
The OL -- yeah depth is not great but there's nothing unexpected here. Not a whole lot of OL players with game experience. It would be nice to play the backups a lot during the early season -- except the starters probably need the reps.
Actually, Thorpe, Gonzalez and Miranda are combined as "OR", with the three of them making up the two first team Guards.....
Surprised to see Barber ahead of Hansard at DT. Either Hansard is not quite recovered from his leg injury, or Barber has made a big jump in his level of play. Or both.... Hansard was a top DT prospect who got some playing time last season, but both Barber and Hansard are redshirt sophomores.
It was my understanding that Toney and Simmons were battling for the starting DE position opposite YGM. Simmons move to being the backup behind YGM may be an indication that Oweh has jumped up the depth chart and that the staff wants him on the field more towards 50% of the plays, as the backup to YGM likely won't see the field as often as the backup to Toney.....
All the comments above about the OL depth are reasonable. We know that to get to better numbers CJF and Limegrover need at least 6 OL recruits in the 2020 class and possibly 5 per year after that for a few years.. Wallace looks to have a great chance to see the field early in career at OT, and I look for him to get game experience this year while possibly preserving his redshirt.....
It was my understanding that Toney and Simmons were battling for the starting DE position opposite YGM. Simmons move to being the backup behind YGM may be an indication that Oweh has jumped up the depth chart and that the staff wants him on the field more towards 50% of the plays, as the backup to YGM likely won't see the field as often as the backup to Toney.....
All the comments above about the OL depth are reasonable. We know that to get to better numbers CJF and Limegrover need at least 6 OL recruits in the 2020 class and possibly 5 per year after that for a few years.. Wallace looks to have a great chance to see the field early in career at OT, and I look for him to get game experience this year while possibly preserving his redshirt.....
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I would speculate both in regard to Barber & Hansard. Coaches were praising Barber throughout camp and a big guy like Hansard will be a bit slow coming back from a broken leg. Might be similar to John Reid's recovery - slow but steady to gain the confidence to go full speed.
did Donovan Johnson ever play last year after his injury (I think it was a knee injury)? i don't recall seeing him late last season or in spring game.
I was/am wondering if it means Simmons has been usurped. I like him an think he’ll kick butt
So a team that lists different guys three deep or four deep all have quality depth? Bodies don’t necessarily mean good bodies or ready-to-play bodies!
Yes, the OL needs to stay healthy. One injury and that has ripple effect because of the low numbers.
Michigan lost a key OT (Stauber) for the season (knee). He was a potential starter and @ worst one of the first subs.
Losing any starting OL can wreak havoc for the PSU OL.
Your right, but having one guy backing up three positions, and having another backup both tackle spots might be a sign that depth is thin, my only point.
You’re right - it was a shoulder or collarbone type of injury. I remember he was in a sling.
Well, if I’m reading it correct that depth chart shows at least two deep at every position, (no one backing up multiple positions), and all the players in the two deep have some game experience. It apparently does not include true freshmen with no experience.
They have 10 players covering their two deep depth chart, we have seven players covering our two deep depth chart.
Their 3rd string is not shown.
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First of all you told me elite teams go 15 deep. So is your answer 10 for Clemson? Because the guys that have never started a game, played a few snaps against Furman, and played on the kickoff team- to me- don't count in the 'we go x deep' statement. They do to you? And if Cervenka gets hurt and Brockhorst, instead of Reeves comes in for him, does that mean Clemson all of the sudden does not go 10 deep?
If a player like D. Johnson is out for the game, will not play, is he not listed at all on the depth chart ? But if two weeks from now, if he can play, could he be listed 1st/2nd string? Anyone can answer except maybe LionJim. (LOL)
If your point is that I miss spoke regarding elite teams having three deep at all their OLine positions, then I will concede my error, (even though your Clemson chart only shows their two deep), if your point is that we are at their level in terms of quality OLine depth, then you are dreaming.
No we're not, I agree with you.
My issue is you thinking that because of how the depth chart is displayed shows a lack of depth. Coaches hate these things- they're done for sports media. Miranda being the backup at 3 spots could mean that he is really good and the coaches want to get him on the field whenever they can, and that putting 2 other guys in as back ups instead of him doesn't change our actual depth. Its really just a piece of paper for twitter
Take a look at Alabama's depth chart.They've got Landon Dickerson as part time starter at C and part time starter at RG, and the guy he's splitting time with at RG is the back up RT. Is that a bad sign?
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabama-football/crimson-tide-depth-chart-duke-season-opener-2019/
Our Oline depth chart would look much better if Nana and Juice were on it. Shit happens.
No argument from me, my point is that the depth is thin. As long as we remain healthy we should be fine. I actually believe that we have upgrades at guard and tackle. Ohio State has to replace four starters, we are only replacing two.
