Dickinson Law Asst. Dean caught sleeping with student

[psuguy43]

The law school is keeping it very hush-hush, are not reporting it, and are allowing the asst. dean to transfer to a different school instead (not being technically "fired").

This does not involve little boys, but has this school not learned their lesson when it comes to trying to keep things on the DL and inside? Even though the student was over 18, there is still an authority imbalance in the relationship which still is illegal, correct?

 

[interrobang]

Probably some level of inappropriateness in a teacher/student paradigm, but hardly illegal.

 

[Delco Lion]

I know for a fact professor Jennings did this at Faber.

 

[psuguy43]

If a HS teacher sleeps with an 18 year old student, it is still illegal due to the authority paradigm. How is this different?

 

[MJG-90]

You don’t see the difference between a high school senior and a law student?

 

[ILLINOISLION]

Thank goodness they were caught just sleeping and not fooling around!

 

[wbcincy]

You don’t see the difference between a high school senior and a law student?

If someone is going to sleep with someone due to an "authority imbalance" by the time they're a law student, I dare say they may not be cut out for the law.

Also, I'm turning myself in to authorities this afternoon. My wife and I met and began dating as teenagers working at a movie theater. I was an usher supervisor and she was a mere usher. The rest of my life has been based on my abusing authority and forcing her into this.

 

[step.eng69]

Thank goodness they were caught just sleeping and not fooling around!

Only in your dreams ILL..LION

 

[TheBigUglies]

Two consenting adults, so does this even matter? Trying to sensationalize a non story just because it is PSU because of recent history. Get a grip man! This happens everywhere! Throughout my life, I have learned of situations in the schools I attended and companies I worked for of people hooking up like this. Even my high school but we thought the guy was a freakin' god. He was 18, she was a 23 year old substitute. Then again the rumor was never confirmed and he could have been full of shiite.

 

[LionJim]

If a HS teacher sleeps with an 18 year old student, it is still illegal due to the authority paradigm. How is this different?

No, it's not illegal. It would get your ass fired, but not thrown in jail.

 

[Lion84]

I remember when I worked at Pendent Publishing this guy slept with the cleaning lady - George something, he claimed that he was not aware it was wrong, wonder what ever happened to that guy.

 

[psuguy43]

No, it's not illegal. It would get your ass fired, but not thrown in jail.

HS teachers have been arrested and charged over having sex with 18 year old students. Please tell me what the difference is here, in the eyes of the law?

 

[CF LION]

I remember when I worked at Pendent Publishing this guy slept with the cleaning lady - George something, he claimed that he was not aware it was wrong, wonder what ever happened to that guy.

The last I heard things were working out for him. He turned things around by doing the opposite of his instincts.

 

[Elwood Blues]

Where is this story coming from? Is there a news story? Which law school campus?

 

[MJG-90]

LOL. Great episode.

 

[Nitwit]

If she was 18, she wasn’t a law student. Perhaps she was an undergrad but she wouldn’t have been under his authority.

 

[MJG-90]

If she was 18, she wasn’t a law student. Perhaps she was an undergrad but she wouldn’t have been under his authority.

The OP states she was over 18. And calls her a student while only referencing Dickinson Law School. The assumption here is that she must be a law student—what other student would be subject to the “authority imbalance” claim?

 

[LionJim]

HS teachers have been arrested and charged over having sex with 18 year old students. Please tell me what the difference is here, in the eyes of the law?

Can you provide a for instance? I wouldn't think sex between consenting adults is illlegal, whatever the circumstances.

 

[psuguy43]

If she was 18, she wasn’t a law student. Perhaps she was an undergrad but she wouldn’t have been under his authority.

I never said that he/she was 18. I was using the age of majority (18) as an example relating to cases that have been charged/convicted with HS teachers. Is this legally different, because it is post-HS?

 

[psuguy43]

Where is this story coming from? Is there a news story? Which law school campus?

The Dickinson Law campus. No news story - it has been swept under the rug.

 

[psuguy43]

Can you provide a for instance? I wouldn't think sex between consenting adults is illlegal, whatever the circumstances.

It is a commonly known law in education. Go ahead and do a quick search on Google, if you want real-life instances.

 

[MJG-90]

Is this legally different, because it is post-HS?

Yes very much so. The only way this is illegal is if the dean used his position to manipulate her. If it is a 100% consensual relationship, then it’s not at all illegal. Justification for firing, but not illegal.

 

[psuguy43]

You don’t see the difference between a high school senior and a law student?

Of course I see the social difference. However, I am referring to the legal difference

 

[FightOnState]

If someone is going to sleep with someone due to an "authority imbalance" by the time they're a law student, I dare say they may not be cut out for the law.

Also, I'm turning myself in to authorities this afternoon. My wife and I met and began dating as teenagers working at a movie theater. I was an usher supervisor and she was a mere usher. The rest of my life has been based on my abusing authority and forcing her into this.

How do you live with yourself, sir?

 

[Madsol]

No, it's not illegal. It would get your ass fired, but not thrown in jail.

I don't think this is right Jim. The institutional setting makes it illegal, irrespective of the age of the student. Almost positive.

 

[FightOnState]

I remember when I worked at Pendent Publishing this guy slept with the cleaning lady - George something, he claimed that he was not aware it was wrong, wonder what ever happened to that guy.

Was that wrong? Should he have not done that?

 

[ILLINOISLION]

How do you live with yourself, sir?

All that buttered popcorn can lead anyone to the dark side.

 

[Delco Lion]

Was that wrong? Should he have not done that?

 

[LionJim]

It is a commonly known law in education. Go ahead and do a quick search on Google, if you want real-life instances.

Legal in Alabama, illegal in Washington State.

 

[MJG-90]

Of course I see the social difference. However, I am referring to the legal difference

Big difference there too. One is illegal, the other is not. There is nothing illegal about two post high school adults having a mutually consensual relationship. I think people are confusing this situation with the MSU dean. There was nothing consensual about his activities.

 

[BobPSU92]

It is a commonly known law in education.

What if it's a common-law marriage?

 

[Player2BNamedL8r]

I remember when I worked at Pendent Publishing this guy slept with the cleaning lady - George something, he claimed that he was not aware it was wrong, wonder what ever happened to that guy.

 

[BobPSU92]

 

[FightOnState]

If someone is going to sleep with someone due to an "authority imbalance" by the time they're a law student, I dare say they may not be cut out for the law.

Also, I'm turning myself in to authorities this afternoon. My wife and I met and began dating as teenagers working at a movie theater. I was an usher supervisor and she was a mere usher. The rest of my life has been based on my abusing authority and forcing her into this.

You should have just followed your co-workers sage advice and hooked up with the girl at the snack bar.

 

[PSU JAG]

I don't think this is right Jim. The institutional setting makes it illegal, irrespective of the age of the student. Almost positive.

You’re wrong. It’s not illegal. It’s two consenting adults.

Russ Rose married one of his former players. Think we should lock him up?

 

[LionJim]

I don't think this is right Jim. The institutional setting makes it illegal, irrespective of the age of the student. Almost positive.

Well, I googled. Apparently some states explicitly criminalize relationships between staff and students in high schools, others don't. But in the case of the Dickinson Law School, no way were any laws broken. But, really, "hands off the students" is a good rule to follow.

 

[Hotshoe]

This is funny. Company policy is not law, and may not even be legal. Just like 1st Amendment rights. Sure, you can say most anything you want, you may just not keep your job. As far as sex, that comes down to institutional policy and state laws. May not be illegal, but you may not keep your job. If consensual, and over 18, I think it ridiculous to be illegal anywhere, but that's just me.

 

[LionJim]

This is funny. Company policy is not law, and may not even be legal. Just like 1st Amendment rights. Sure, you can say most anything you want, you may just not keep your job. As far as sex, that comes down to institutional policy and state laws. May not be illegal, but you may not keep your job. If consensual, and over 18, I think it ridiculous to be illegal anywhere, but that's just me.

Yeah, it's like that woman who got fired for flipping off the President's motorcade. Not illegal, but not smart.

 

[L.A.Lion]

Many years ago on a football weekend I chatted with a woman in the Shandygaff who was wearing a t-shirt that said "Dick Law" on the front and "The Hard Law School" on the back.

 

[sluggo72]

HS teachers have been arrested and charged over having sex with 18 year old students. Please tell me what the difference is here, in the eyes of the law?

I assume she is a law school student. I assume she went to college first. Therefore I assume she is at least 21 maybe 22 or 23. That is how it is different.