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DJ probably most talented/dominating tour-player currently, but we just saw his greatest weakness

Franklin_Restores_TheTradition

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DJ is an awful "grinder" - imho, primarily due to the extreme mediocre quality and inconsistency of his short-game on, and around, the greens including the flatstick (actually, primarily the average quality and inconsistency of his putting, especially 10-feet in, which is the key to being a great grinder and scrambler - Speith and Walker being great examples of this....they can still put up very respectable scores with their B games even though the way they do it is not as "pretty").

DJ is fortunate however, he is such a consistently great striker of the ball, that he rarely has to worry about "grinding" as evidenced by the fact that he was the current tour leader in regards to "consecutive cuts made" coming into the PGA at 25 consecutive cuts made - an extremely impressive number and a testament to the consistency of his sterling tee-to-green ball-striking ability (as is his finishing Top 10 in 6 of the last 7 Majors coming into the PGA including a US Open Championship).

Honestly, as strange and paradoxical as it sounds, players that are as insanely talented and consistent as DJ from tee-to-green are often horrible "grinders" as they hit so many fairways and GIR, that they simply are not used to facing these types of scrambling / grinding shots hole after hole after hole -- IOW, their "greatest weakness" are the types of shots they rarely face (DJ is used "routine pars" even when he hits mediocre approach shots). Conversely, some of the best "grinders" in both the amateur and pro ranks are great grinders because they have lower percentage of fairways hit and GIR and they simply hit these difficult shots more often and are therefore not only better at them, but more "imaginative" in their options, and the best specific option, for these difficult, precision shots. Essentially, there short games and putting are simply more "pressure tested" to these unusual situations (a function of confidence) because they see them more often and hit this type of delicate shot more often -- e.g., "grinding" is a strength for them conversely to it being a weakness for a player like DJ that is typically near the very top of the board in GIR, routine pars [i.e., two-putt pars], etc....

In any event, the last two days very clearly show what DJ's cryptonite is and that is the very rare round where he does not have his A-Game (leads field in Driving Distance, Fairways Hit and Greens in Regulation, tons of good looks at birdie form 15' and in...) OR even his B-Game (top Quartile in the statistics mentioned, but not leading). He just does not have the quality of, or imaginative, short-game required and the worse his psychology gets and the more pressure he puts on his flat-stick, the worse he putts -- which is frankly not that unusual for any golfer. Grinders typically excel at putting under all circumstances precisely because their "psychology" always stays positive and they have extreme confidence that they can get up and down from anywhere even from inside a "trash can"! Their thoughts stay positive even when scrambling and grinding which is critical to putting -- putting is probably the most psychologically impacted portion of any phase of golf. Even for the absolute best putters, if they get over a putt that confuses them and they don't like, they are unlikely to make it -- it is a certifiable fact, that the more putts you truly believe you are going to make, the more putts you will make. Putting is easy for grinders typically, but putting becomes quite difficult for a player like DJ when he is playing poorly tee-to-green, because it is extremely rare for a player like DJ to play poorly tee-to-green and it destroys his "psychological state" and you can not putt well when your psychology is negative.
 
Or maybe he just went out and played a bad round of golf yesterday (his first in like 6 months). It's pretty hard to draw a conclusion that a guy isn't a good "grinder" when even on his worst weeks, he's been continuing to make cuts. There are plenty of big names that won't be teeing it up tomorrow.
 
DJ is an awful "grinder" - imho, primarily due to the extreme mediocre quality and inconsistency of his short-game on, and around, the greens including the flatstick (actually, primarily the average quality and inconsistency of his putting, especially 10-feet in, which is the key to being a great grinder and scrambler - Speith and Walker being great examples of this....they can still put up very respectable scores with their B games even though the way they do it is not as "pretty").

DJ is fortunate however, he is such a consistently great striker of the ball, that he rarely has to worry about "grinding" as evidenced by the fact that he was the current tour leader in regards to "consecutive cuts made" coming into the PGA at 25 consecutive cuts made - an extremely impressive number and a testament to the consistency of his sterling tee-to-green ball-striking ability (as is his finishing Top 10 in 6 of the last 7 Majors coming into the PGA including a US Open Championship).

Honestly, as strange and paradoxical as it sounds, players that are as insanely talented and consistent as DJ from tee-to-green are often horrible "grinders" as they hit so many fairways and GIR, that they simply are not used to facing these types of scrambling / grinding shots hole after hole after hole -- IOW, their "greatest weakness" are the types of shots they rarely face (DJ is used "routine pars" even when he hits mediocre approach shots). Conversely, some of the best "grinders" in both the amateur and pro ranks are great grinders because they have lower percentage of fairways hit and GIR and they simply hit these difficult shots more often and are therefore not only better at them, but more "imaginative" in their options, and the best specific option, for these difficult, precision shots. Essentially, there short games and putting are simply more "pressure tested" to these unusual situations (a function of confidence) because they see them more often and hit this type of delicate shot more often -- e.g., "grinding" is a strength for them conversely to it being a weakness for a player like DJ that is typically near the very top of the board in GIR, routine pars [i.e., two-putt pars], etc....

In any event, the last two days very clearly show what DJ's cryptonite is and that is the very rare round where he does not have his A-Game (leads field in Driving Distance, Fairways Hit and Greens in Regulation, tons of good looks at birdie form 15' and in...) OR even his B-Game (top Quartile in the statistics mentioned, but not leading). He just does not have the quality of, or imaginative, short-game required and the worse his psychology gets and the more pressure he puts on his flat-stick, the worse he putts -- which is frankly not that unusual for any golfer. Grinders typically excel at putting under all circumstances precisely because their "psychology" always stays positive and they have extreme confidence that they can get up and down from anywhere even from inside a "trash can"! Their thoughts stay positive even when scrambling and grinding which is critical to putting -- putting is probably the most psychologically impacted portion of any phase of golf. Even for the absolute best putters, if they get over a putt that confuses them and they don't like, they are unlikely to make it -- it is a certifiable fact, that the more putts you truly believe you are going to make, the more putts you will make. Putting is easy for grinders typically, but putting becomes quite difficult for a player like DJ when he is playing poorly tee-to-green, because it is extremely rare for a player like DJ to play poorly tee-to-green and it destroys his "psychological state" and you can not putt well when your psychology is negative.
Sir Bushwood the Garrulous
 
Or maybe he just went out and played a bad round of golf yesterday (his first in like 6 months). It's pretty hard to draw a conclusion that a guy isn't a good "grinder" when even on his worst weeks, he's been continuing to make cuts. There are plenty of big names that won't be teeing it up tomorrow.

Nope, it's the opposite - shows you how rare it is for him to not hit it "pure" tee-to-green. DJ doesn't grind even in weeks when he doesn't have his absolute "A-Game" - even when he plays slightly off his A-Game (i.e., "B-Game"), he still hits more fairways and GIR than 80% of the field and remains at the very top of the list in Driving Distance. IOW, the reason his GIR is so high is that he hits so many more wedges and 9-irons for his approach shots where most others are hitting mid-irons - in addition, he also remains at the very top of the field in GIUR....Greens-In-Under-Regulation..... DJ's making 25 straight cuts (leader on tour coming into PGA) and finishing Top 10 in 6-of-last-7 Majors is a testament to his "consistency" in just "puring it" from tee-to-green week-in, week-out and round-in and round-out -- IOW, how rarely he even has to deal with grinding out a quality round.
 
Agree with you, Bush. Brings to mind the old saying "Drive for show, putt for dough."
 
Agree with you, Bush. Brings to mind the old saying "Drive for show, putt for dough."

Yes, that's what the PGA's own tour stats page would suggest - HIT THE LINK - PGA TOUR STATS AT PGA.COM. The read: DJ, DJ, DJ, etc...they also produce a couple stats called SG: Total and SG: Tee-to-Green.

SG: Total is defined as follows: The per round average of the number of strokes the player was better or worse than the field average on the same course in the same event. Here are the leaders:
  1. DJ (2.211)
  2. Jason Day (2.086)
  3. Adam Scott (1.988)
  4. Phil Michelson (1.917)
  5. Rory McIlroy (1.914)
  6. Jordan Spieth (1.750)
  7. Matt Kuchar (1.715)
  8. Rickie Fowler (1.705)
  9. Charl Schwartzel (1.498)
  10. Justin Rose (1.430)
Look the names on that list - do you think this statistic is telling or what? But also impressive in how dominant on the list. The top half of the list are bunched around 2, but DJ is well clear of even the absolute top of the field!

SG: Tee-to-Green:
  1. Adam Scott
  2. DJ
  3. Rory McIlroy
  4. Justin Rose
  5. Bubba Watson
  6. Rickie Fowler
  7. Henrik Stenson
  8. Hideki Matsuyama
  9. Charl Schwartzel
  10. Kevin Chappell
Again, given the names on the list, telling as to how important quality of tee-to-green play is that leads to more routine 2-putt pars and "birdie opportunities" (e.g., if you have more of them, even if your conversion rate is slightly lower, you're still making a lot more birdies).

Lastly, of all the stats on the page, which is DJ's worst by a mile? You guessed it "Scrambling" which measures your "conversion ratio" on holes where the player does not hit the Green In Regulation..... Again, not unusual for a front-runner who hits the ball as pure as DJ to be a bad scrambler, because when he is missing a lot of GIR, his psychology and confidence goes negative and you cannot putt well when you're in that type of psychological state. Often times great grinders are great grinders and great putters because they are "used to it" and it is a "strength" of their game generating "confidence" and good psychology in their ability to convert despite continuing to miss fairways and greens (e.g., converting breeds confidence in your short-game - the classic "virtuous cycle"). It's the diametric opposite for the purest players who are rarely out of position tee-to-green - on the rare occasions when they are out of position all day long, their confidence level and psychology goes down, not up and they more they are forced to scramble the worse it gets as the negativity feeds on itself in a "non-virtuous cycle".
 
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