Do you want to be Bama?

[mrtailgate]

Listening to Coach James presser, that was my immediate reaction. We are at a high level, but Coach James says to get ready to get to the next and highest level. He aspires to be Bama. I don’t know squat about Bama, but it seems like a machine to me with Coach Terminator. Whenever I see them win, it seems like nobody is happy beyond the immediate moment as you are on already on task for next year. We will process your ass in a heartbeat, we don’t care about your well being other than what you contribute between the lines, etc. I don’t know this but I can’t believe Nana would be on 4 year scholarship at Bama. If Coach James was accurate saying that kids are late, cell phones go off in meetings, etc., I can’t believe The Terminator lets that happen even once.

Now, I guess the response will be a resounding yes and that it’s great to be a Bama fan, but they seem like a soulless lot created in a sterile laboratory.

If Coach James wants that, I’ll miss the unbridled joy that we see at times. I know I’m being overly dramatic here, but my immediate reaction is that you sacrifice a bit if you want to be at that highest level and that you don’t get there without being willing to road stomp everyone in your way including some of your own along the way.

 

[djr4rebs]

This board would find something to be critical about in regards to Alabama if they watched them enough.

In short, I think fans just want to win. We don't really care about the cost as long as it's not flung in our faces enough to defend it. And defend it we will as long as the W column piles up and playoff title trophies roll in.

The stuff about creating remarkable men to go out into society you hear from some on this board is total crap. It's a plus 1 when we ein games. It's forgotten while tending the wounds after a loss.

Check the threads. How many GPAs or volunteer hours got mentioned? Compare to passes dropped or who called that 4th and 5 run.

Win and everything is forgivable.

 

[fairgambit]

We can beat them without being them. Let's get it done.

 

[Nittany Ziggy]

Listening to Coach James presser, that was my immediate reaction. We are at a high level, but Coach James says to get ready to get to the next and highest level. He aspires to be Bama. I don’t know squat about Bama, but it seems like a machine to me with Coach Terminator. Whenever I see them win, it seems like nobody is happy beyond the immediate moment as you are on already on task for next year. We will process your ass in a heartbeat, we don’t care about your well being other than what you contribute between the lines, etc. I don’t know this but I can’t believe Nana would be on 4 year scholarship at Bama. If Coach James was accurate saying that kids are late, cell phones go off in meetings, etc., I can’t believe The Terminator lets that happen even once.

Now, I guess the response will be a resounding yes and that it’s great to be a Bama fan, but they seem like a soulless lot created in a sterile laboratory.

If Coach James wants that, I’ll miss the unbridled joy that we see at times. I know I’m being overly dramatic here, but my immediate reaction is that you sacrifice a bit if you want to be at that highest level and that you don’t get there without being willing to road stomp everyone in your way including some of your own along the way.

Indeed. The Wall Street Journal had a very good article about Saban’s processing of kids a few years back.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703384204575509901468451306

 

[Art]

Listening to Coach James presser, that was my immediate reaction. We are at a high level, but Coach James says to get ready to get to the next and highest level. He aspires to be Bama. I don’t know squat about Bama, but it seems like a machine to me with Coach Terminator. Whenever I see them win, it seems like nobody is happy beyond the immediate moment as you are on already on task for next year. We will process your ass in a heartbeat, we don’t care about your well being other than what you contribute between the lines, etc. I don’t know this but I can’t believe Nana would be on 4 year scholarship at Bama. If Coach James was accurate saying that kids are late, cell phones go off in meetings, etc., I can’t believe The Terminator lets that happen even once.

Now, I guess the response will be a resounding yes and that it’s great to be a Bama fan, but they seem like a soulless lot created in a sterile laboratory.

If Coach James wants that, I’ll miss the unbridled joy that we see at times. I know I’m being overly dramatic here, but my immediate reaction is that you sacrifice a bit if you want to be at that highest level and that you don’t get there without being willing to road stomp everyone in your way including some of your own along the way.

Why would Nana not be on a four year scholarship at Bama? He doesn't count against the limits and Saban doesn't have bottom line ($) responsibility.

 

[mrtailgate]

Why would Nana not be on a four year scholarship at Bama? He doesn't count against the limits and Saban doesn't have bottom line ($) responsibility.

OK, you know these rules a hell of a lot better than me obviously. I thought he counted, my bad. So, you’re saying that it’s only the tab to the school, not against the team number. Sorry for that.

 

[Nitt1300]

College Football used to be College football now it's college Football

Just read today's threads and all of the whining and gnashing of teeth from the entitled about losing a game by one point.

Very few people actually give a shit about the core values that Joe taught and that CJF seems to believe in. Wins and the chest thumping that wins encourage are the coin of the realm.

 

[Fox Chapel Lion II]

I'd love to give it a try. I think it might be a fun experience.

 

[lyndj]

Listening to Coach James presser, that was my immediate reaction. We are at a high level, but Coach James says to get ready to get to the next and highest level. He aspires to be Bama. I don’t know squat about Bama, but it seems like a machine to me with Coach Terminator. Whenever I see them win, it seems like nobody is happy beyond the immediate moment as you are on already on task for next year. We will process your ass in a heartbeat, we don’t care about your well being other than what you contribute between the lines, etc. I don’t know this but I can’t believe Nana would be on 4 year scholarship at Bama. If Coach James was accurate saying that kids are late, cell phones go off in meetings, etc., I can’t believe The Terminator lets that happen even once.

Now, I guess the response will be a resounding yes and that it’s great to be a Bama fan, but they seem like a soulless lot created in a sterile laboratory.

If Coach James wants that, I’ll miss the unbridled joy that we see at times. I know I’m being overly dramatic here, but my immediate reaction is that you sacrifice a bit if you want to be at that highest level and that you don’t get there without being willing to road stomp everyone in your way including some of your own along the way.

Franklin is not going to change who he is (meaning his relationship with players, community, etc). Reference Hamler's twitter post about people criticizing "his" coach. Team gets it and will be fine

 

[danvillenit]

We have some hypocritical fans who claim they don’t want to put football above everything then want to fire the coach when we lose by one point to the #4 team

 

[mn78psu83]

I'd love to give it a try. I think it might be a fun experience.

I'd settle for PSU making the playoff. Watching them win so many championships would become boring.

 

[mcgunns]

Yeah they'd definitely keep him on scholarship at Bama since it doesn't count against the number. Do other schools actually check for the heart condition though? Honest question. I don't recall ever seeing another program pull a kid out for that, but obviously I pay much closer to attention to this one.

Franklin is not going to change who he is (meaning his relationship with players, community, etc). Reference Hamler's twitter post about people criticizing "his" coach. Team gets it and will be fine

Got a link?

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Listening to Coach James presser, that was my immediate reaction. We are at a high level, but Coach James says to get ready to get to the next and highest level. He aspires to be Bama. I don’t know squat about Bama, but it seems like a machine to me with Coach Terminator. Whenever I see them win, it seems like nobody is happy beyond the immediate moment as you are on already on task for next year. We will process your ass in a heartbeat, we don’t care about your well being other than what you contribute between the lines, etc. I don’t know this but I can’t believe Nana would be on 4 year scholarship at Bama. If Coach James was accurate saying that kids are late, cell phones go off in meetings, etc., I can’t believe The Terminator lets that happen even once.

Now, I guess the response will be a resounding yes and that it’s great to be a Bama fan, but they seem like a soulless lot created in a sterile laboratory.

If Coach James wants that, I’ll miss the unbridled joy that we see at times. I know I’m being overly dramatic here, but my immediate reaction is that you sacrifice a bit if you want to be at that highest level and that you don’t get there without being willing to road stomp everyone in your way including some of your own along the way.

We catch a couple of passes or make a couple of tackles last night and we win. That is all.

 

[mn78psu83]

We catch a couple of passes or make a couple of tackles last night and we win. That is all.

Every friend who did not go the game and texted me about the game started off with something like, "if only the WRs could catch the ball."

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Every friend who did not go the game and texted me about the game started off with something like, "if only the WRs could catch the ball."

Hamilton was money last year. I think Hamler is his faster heir apparent. Losing him last night hurt a lot - he was the only guy consistently making catches. And, he can do a hell of a lot once he catches it. Johnson should have made that catch in the end zone, especially when you see what he's capable of. Missed opportunities is the name of the game.

 

[Art]

Yeah they'd definitely keep him on scholarship at Bama since it doesn't count against the number. Do other schools actually check for the heart condition though? Honest question. I don't recall ever seeing another program pull a kid out for that, but obviously I pay much closer to attention to this one.

Got a link?

So you think that other schools don't put their athletes through comprehensive physical exams? Now, we're just getting ridiculous.

 

[Roswell-Blue]

College Football used to be College football now it's college Football

Just read today's threads and all of the whining and gnashing of teeth from the entitled about losing a game by one point.

Very few people actually give a shit about the core values that Joe taught and that CJF seems to believe in. Wins and the chest thumping that wins encourage are the coin of the realm.

What scares me is Franklin seems to believe in those values while all these folks criticizing him could care less. He better get with the program ☺. That disconnect could cost him if he doesn't continue to feed these crazy expectations. We want to pretend we're better than other fan bases, but when you peel back the layer enough we're just the same. Most of us love Joe Pa, but I don't believe most of the people shouting success with honor really believe it outside of Joe doing it.

 

[Art]

What scares me is Franklin seems to believe in those values while all these folks criticizing him could care less. He better get with the program ☺. That disconnect could cost him if he doesn't continue to feed these crazy expectations. We want to pretend we're better than other fan bases, but when you peel back the layer enough we're just the same. Most of us love Joe Pa, but I don't believe most of the people shouting success with honor really believe it outside of Joe doing it.

I somehow doubt that those criticizing CJF contribute enough money to PSU, individually or as a collective, that their opinions matter.

 

[BobPSU92]

 

[Media Fan]

Sure, why not. I will wager that if we got the comparative academic stats of one team versus another that the difference would not be but say 1 standard deviation. I am a fan of PSU, but our football team is I believe not filled with cum laudes.
PS: compare and contrast with the wrestling team. NCAA and the school to say the least want to keep us in the dark on that score.

 

[jschrantz]

Listening to Coach James presser, that was my immediate reaction. We are at a high level, but Coach James says to get ready to get to the next and highest level. He aspires to be Bama. I don’t know squat about Bama, but it seems like a machine to me with Coach Terminator. Whenever I see them win, it seems like nobody is happy beyond the immediate moment as you are on already on task for next year. We will process your ass in a heartbeat, we don’t care about your well being other than what you contribute between the lines, etc. I don’t know this but I can’t believe Nana would be on 4 year scholarship at Bama. If Coach James was accurate saying that kids are late, cell phones go off in meetings, etc., I can’t believe The Terminator lets that happen even once.

Now, I guess the response will be a resounding yes and that it’s great to be a Bama fan, but they seem like a soulless lot created in a sterile laboratory.

If Coach James wants that, I’ll miss the unbridled joy that we see at times. I know I’m being overly dramatic here, but my immediate reaction is that you sacrifice a bit if you want to be at that highest level and that you don’t get there without being willing to road stomp everyone in your way including some of your own along the way.

We Are Alabama in wrestling , but our wrestlers are also students

 

[jbenedict]

Sure, why not. I will wager that if we got the comparative academic stats of one team versus another that the difference would not be but say 1 standard deviation. I am a fan of PSU, but our football team is I believe not filled with cum laudes.
PS: compare and contrast with the wrestling team. NCAA and the school to say the least want to keep us in the dark on that score.

I believe we are recruiting a different type of athlete in today's era. Things have changed. The Grand Experiment was truly GRAND.

 

[harbest]

Listening to Coach James presser, that was my immediate reaction. We are at a high level, but Coach James says to get ready to get to the next and highest level. He aspires to be Bama. I don’t know squat about Bama, but it seems like a machine to me with Coach Terminator. Whenever I see them win, it seems like nobody is happy beyond the immediate moment as you are on already on task for next year. We will process your ass in a heartbeat, we don’t care about your well being other than what you contribute between the lines, etc. I don’t know this but I can’t believe Nana would be on 4 year scholarship at Bama. If Coach James was accurate saying that kids are late, cell phones go off in meetings, etc., I can’t believe The Terminator lets that happen even once.

Now, I guess the response will be a resounding yes and that it’s great to be a Bama fan, but they seem like a soulless lot created in a sterile laboratory.

If Coach James wants that, I’ll miss the unbridled joy that we see at times. I know I’m being overly dramatic here, but my immediate reaction is that you sacrifice a bit if you want to be at that highest level and that you don’t get there without being willing to road stomp everyone in your way including some of your own along the way.

Look at the recruiting lists for SEC schools. They routinely over recruit and if you have a scholarship in that conference, you damn well better perform up to expectations or someone more talented will own it. My father in law went to several PSU @ Alabama games and always told me they were the best fans he ever met, I have no problems with Bama or it's fans.

 

[Art]

We Are Alabama in wrestling , but our wrestlers are also students

And Alabama's football players aren't; we'll just take your word for it.

 

[RTLH]

I somehow doubt that those criticizing CJF contribute enough money to PSU, individually or as a collective, that their opinions matter.

As Joe once said. "I'll take your donations but not your 2 cents"

 

[jschrantz]

And Alabama's football players aren't; we'll just take your word for it.

Sounds good Art

 

[fastlax16]

I’d be happy with being Clemson. Franklin seems to be more in the Dabo mold than Saban. Can we switch spots with Pitt in the acc whatever division they’re in?

 

[Art]

I’d be happy with being Clemson. Franklin seems to be more in the Dabo mold than Saban. Can we switch spots with Pitt in the acc whatever division they’re in?

Dabo's a pig.

 

[fastlax16]

Dabo's a pig.

I just said Franklin reminds me more of dabo than Saban.

 

[Nitwit97]

For what it’s worth, we are definitely the Auburn of the B1G.

I would definitely take an Alabam-type run of five or six titles over a decade. After that, I will compare and contrast and let you know which I prefer!

 

[lein]

Franklin is not going to change who he is (meaning his relationship with players, community, etc). Reference Hamler's twitter post about people criticizing "his" coach. Team gets it and will be fine

Which might be good if the players realize they need to help their coach and work harder
at the basics and not drop passes, miss blocks, miss tackles.

 

[mcgunns]

So you think that other schools don't put their athletes through comprehensive physical exams? Now, we're just getting ridiculous.

Paterno definitely didn't. Show me one kid he kept out for heart reasons. Show me any PSU kid that it happened to before this year. It's clearly a new thing to look for and may not be disqualifying at every institution.

 

[Art]

Paterno definitely didn't. Show me one kid he kept out for heart reasons. Show me any PSU kid that it happened to before this year. It's clearly a new thing to look for and may not be disqualifying at every institution.

It's clearly not a "new thing." Awareness of hypertrophic cardiomyopathy in college sports has been around at least since 1990, when Hank Gathers collapsed and died during a basketball game.

So Joe Paterno, or any other football coach for that matter, should have determined what medical tests should be performed in order to clear an athlete for participation? Sorry, that doesn't work for any number of reasons, the obvious one being that none of them are trained physicians who possess the necessary competence.

And it's entirely possible that no PSU player was held out before this year because hypertrophic cardiomyopathy
occurs only rarely in college-age athletes. So can you say categorically that it didn't happen because there was no testing or that there was testing but no cases were found?

 

[mcgunns]

It's clearly not a "new thing." Awareness of hypertrophic cardiomyopathy in college sports has been around at least since 1990, when Hank Gathers collapsed and died during a basketball game.

So Joe Paterno, or any other football coach for that matter, should have determined what medical tests should be performed in order to clear an athlete for participation? Sorry, that doesn't work for any number of reasons, the obvious one being that none of them are trained physicians who possess the necessary competence.

And it's entirely possible that no PSU player was held out before this year because hypertrophic cardiomyopathy
occurs only rarely in college-age athletes. So can you say categorically that it didn't happen because there was no testing or that there was testing but no cases were found?

Not sure why you needed to be so confrontational, but it looks like this heart screening is a very recent development as I had suspected. The validity and efficacy of this screening is debatable according to the article I've linked below. Seems reasonable to assume PSU implemented the pre-screening protocol for all athletes in response to the NCAA chief medical officer recommending it for basketball players. Or maybe there was a more recent bylaw change that I didn't find in a quick search. Please try to calm down if you haven't been screened hypertrophic cardiomyopathy I fear for your safety.


https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/26/opinion/ekg-screening-for-college-athletes.html

 

[83wuzme]

Expectations of winning can get too high and they can lead to ethical blindness.
I like PSU competing and winning, but not at all costs. The Sandusky scandal really damaged our reputation and I want to see it restored to the full extent possible.

 

[83wuzme]

It's clearly not a "new thing." Awareness of hypertrophic cardiomyopathy in college sports has been around at least since 1990, when Hank Gathers collapsed and died during a basketball game.

So Joe Paterno, or any other football coach for that matter, should have determined what medical tests should be performed in order to clear an athlete for participation? Sorry, that doesn't work for any number of reasons, the obvious one being that none of them are trained physicians who possess the necessary competence.

And it's entirely possible that no PSU player was held out before this year because hypertrophic cardiomyopathy
occurs only rarely in college-age athletes. So can you say categorically that it didn't happen because there was no testing or that there was testing but no cases were found?

What was so weird this year is that we had two elite athletes in a group of twenty odd guys who had it.
Makes you think everybody should be getting a workup.

 

[theengineer]

CJF is right - If you're not moving forward, you're moving backward. So if our players, coaches and fan base are comfortable with #2 in the B1G, he's having no part of it, and none of us should.

You have to have a goal and work toward it, or what is the point in the effort?

 

[HazletonLion]

Some of the people on this board act and talk like they are from Alabama, for them it's a start.

 

[Art]

What was so weird this year is that we had two elite athletes in a group of twenty odd guys who had it.
Makes you think everybody should be getting a workup.

How were they detected? EKGs? Probably...and the number falls well within the range of false positives experienced from those tests. And in more cases than you'd like to know, the EKG doesn't detect it at all.

 

[Lyons212]

CJF is right - If you're not moving forward, you're moving backward. So if our players, coaches and fan base are comfortable with #2 in the B1G, he's having no part of it, and none of us should.

You have to have a goal and work toward it, or what is the point in the effort?

As a JoePa used to say, "You are either getting better or getting worse because you can't stay the same"