OSU would not be the number 2 seed right now? Of course they would and deservedly so.
I am so sick of getting screwed.
I am so sick of getting screwed.
Does anybody believe that if you flip the PSU and OSU results that
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No doubt at all. Hell, they were trying to get Michigan in ahead of us.
Imagine if Bama had lost and AU won the SECC. Yeah, they'd leave the winner of the SEC out. Sure they would.
Yes if Ohio State has lost to Pitt and Michigan by 39 and Penn State had wins against #6,7,8, and 24..
If you main argument for Penn State over Ohio State is head to head shouldn't Michigan be ahead of a team who they beat by 39 and the same record?
Third place...nuff said. If you're one of the four best teams in the nation you can't be third in your conference.
Your main argument is always the anti-PSU one, on multiple boards. Congrats.
Why are conference games more important than non conference. If Penn State went 0-3 in the non conference should they get in over a Michigan because they finished higher in the conference standings?
If Penn State had lost to Temple and everything else that happened remained exactly the same, they would be 10-3 and they would still be Big Ten champions. That being the case, would you still think they should be in based on being Big Ten champions?
It not Anti Penn State. It just if Penn State took care of business then they would have been in. I don't think we were screwed. Getting screwed means you never had the opportunity. As Franklin said opportunity was knocking at Pitt and Penn State failed to make the play in the last try. Opportunity was knocking at Michigan and Penn State laid an egg. You can sit and whine should could of ect. Do what need to be done and don't put it in the hands of the committee.
Yes. Winning conference championships should always matter. If not get rid of conferences and everybody should play as an independent. As is, non-conference games should determine seeding. We need an Eight team playoff with 8 conference winners. This makes every game played throughout the year a playoff game.
Ok sure.
And exactly one team has an open and shut case. There is a ton of subjectivity and opinion in spots 2+. But to you it's "whining". Just what a PSU hater would say.
Go back to being the resident self-loathing PSU fan on the Rutgers board.
I would like to see an 8-team playoff. Auto bids for the 5 power conference champions and 3 at-large bids. But under the current system, being conference champion does not guarantee that you will get into the playoff. In fact, it's guaranteed that at least one power conference champion will not get in.
Last year Stanford was in a very similar situation to what Penn State is in this year. Stanford had an early season loss to Northwestern, just like Penn State's loss to Pitt, then went 8-1 in conference play and beat USC in the Pac-12 title game to finish 11-2. They were the highest ranked 2-loss team in the country and won their conference title, but no playoff for them. In fact, they were ranked #6 behind 12-1 Iowa, who did not win their conference title.
My point is that it is very difficult to get into a 4-team playoff if you have 2 losses. FWIW, I think Penn State is one of the 4 best teams right now and deserves to be in over Washington. But there was no way the committee was going to freeze out the Pac-12 two years in a row.
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But they didn't get left out for a team that didn't win their conference.
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In this scenario if Oregon or USC were sitting with one loss to Stanford (as OSU is to PSU this year) and weren't conference champs, I believe either would have been in the CFP mostly because of reputation and ratings.
I beleive that Alabama, Clemson and Ohio State were baked into the cake preseason. As long as no team had a better win/lose record than those three teams the committee was going to put them in. That's a fact Jack. All that was left to decide from before the season began was who would be #4.
True, but they were ranked behind a team that didn't. Iowa (12-1) was #5 after losing to Michigan State in the Big Ten title game and Stanford (11-2) was ranked #6. If Clemson had lost the ACC title game to North Carolina, Iowa would have been selected for the playoff ahead of Stanford.
Even if that's the way you feel, it's worth noting that every power conference team with a record equal to them is in the playoff. Every team that went undefeated or had just one loss is in the playoff.
Not sure what you mean or want to fact check. I probably didn't say what I meant clearly. I'm just stating the opinion that if OSU had the exact same record as PSU and PSU had the exact same record as OSU then OSU would have gotten in the playoff. In other words PSU got screwed..
I actually think that if you could get Meyer in a sealed room and off the record he would agree that PSU is the more deserving team this year. I don't dislike him as much as most seem to on this board.
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There is no need for an argument against Michigan-they are THIRD PLACE
The argument is really quite simple - won the toughest division AND toughest conference in football
Shouldn't even have to argue that point in this day and age - the fact that we do just reinforces the hipocracy of the whole thing
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I'm not sure if this exact quote is accurate, but I know he made comments similar to this while lobbying for Florida to be picked for the title game.
The circumstances of that season were different from this situation. That was the year that Ohio State and Michigan were both undefeated and were ranked 1-2 heading into The Big Game. Ohio State beat Michigan, but the Wolverines remained ranked ahead of Florida, whose only loss was to Auburn. There was talk of a Michigan-OSU rematch in the title game. Meyer's point was Florida deserved a shot at Ohio State rather than Michigan because Michigan already had their chance and lost.
Before you point out that Penn State beat OSU this year, keep in mind that Florida 2006 had just one loss, whereas Penn State 2016 has 2 losses.
The only thing it reinforces is that you don't understand that non-conference losses don't impact divisional tie-breakers but they do impact playoff bids.
And that is absolutely ridiculous
Because you cannot have a "playoff" in your scenario
So here's the deal - call it a four team popularity, political, rigged, power and $$ controlled beauty pageant and I'm fine
Yes, we have to be 100 percent, unequivocal, clear-cut, nobody can leave us out (i.e., undefeated) so that we "don't put it in the hands of the committee." But OSU didn't "take care of business" because they lost to us and came in second in the division. Michigan didn't take care of business because they lost two of their last three and came in third in their division. But you ignore those because you are a contrarian (i.e., a jackass).
Boy, you're doing a lot of mental gymnastics on here. I don't see where Meyer mentioned anything about number of losses. Ohio State made it...great, now if OSU fans would just say they got in because the committee wanted them in instead of trying to justify it, things would be a lot better.
I am happy for a Rose Bowl berth...exceeded my expectations.
My feelings on the playoff...committee wants "best record" in the four. Yes, money matters and I think they would have tried to get Michigan in if Washington lost. I'll take Rose Bowl because I can't understand why OSU wasn't playing in the Big championship game to begin with. Seems to me that better overall record should prevail.
Oh well, can't wait for Rose,
My feelings on the playoff...committee wants "best record" in the four. Yes, money matters and I think they would have tried to get Michigan in if Washington lost. I'll take Rose Bowl because I can't understand why OSU wasn't playing in the Big championship game to begin with. Seems to me that better overall record should prevail.
Oh well, can't wait for Rose,
There's no mental gymnastics at all. In 2006, Florida and Michigan each had one loss. Meyer felt his 1-loss team should get a shot at Ohio State in the title game because Michigan already had their shot.
In 2016, Penn State has two losses and you're acting like it's a conspiracy that they aren't leapfrogging teams with only one loss.
Every message that you have made ------ all 13K+ of them, have been against Penn State or denigrating to a REAL Penn State fan on this site! GFY Nutless!
I guess I missed the part where Meyer said "if you don't win your conference (and you only have one loss) you shouldn't be playing for a NC". Oh wait, I didn't miss it because he didn't say it.
I would say next time OSU should beat PSU, but that doesn't matter obviously.
Sorry you feel that way. Sorry I'm not throwing a hissy fit for not making playoffs. The Big Ten set up their championship so that a team with a lesser record can play for championship but yet be ranked lower than another.
It is clear to me that the conference championships and the four team playoff are mutually exclusive...the committee can choose whoever they like.
You're right. It doesn't matter that you beat OSU since they won all the rest of their games and you lost two. What I probably should have said is next time, beat Pitt and don't get curbstomped by Michigan.
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