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Dumb podcast talk from MGoBlog and combating the standard talking point about PSU's offense.

Judge Smails

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This is the zombie talking point that refuses to die. "Penn State just chucks the ball deep and gets lucky."

If you listen to the last 5 minutes of this MGoBlog podcast, you get the full treatment.

http://mgoblog.com/sites/mgoblog.com/files/wtka 1-19-17.mp3

"Their explosiveness was flukish statistically....Penn State fluked it out....Got lucky against Ohio State with the punt block and blocked field goal ...Penn State just chucks the ball up to their receivers...Penn State is going to miss Godwin and needs to find another guy to threaten the defense.."

1) Against Ohio State, Penn State had a field goal blocked, fumbled a punt, and had a snap fly over the punters head for a safety....those weren't about bad luck I guess.

2) Besides Godwin, Saeed Blacknall has averaged 23 yards per catch in ’16 and 31 per in ’15. DeAndre Thompkins averaged 16.3 yards per catch in '16. Gesicki averaged 14.2 yards per catch from the tight end position.

Hamilton had a 54 yard catch. Gesicki had a 53 yard catch. Thompkins had a 70 yard catch. Blacknall had a 70 yard catch. Charles had an 80 yard catch.

The idea that Penn State will have no deep threat with Godwin gone is DUMB.
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Look at what happened in the B1G Championship game for an illustration.

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Penn State Receiving
REC YDS AVG TD LONG
Saeed Blacknall 6 155 25.8 2 70
DaeSean Hamilton 8 118 14.8 0 38
Mike Gesicki 3 58 19.3 1 33
Chris Godwin 3 33 11.0 0 14
Saquon Barkley 2 20 10.0 1 18

3) Penn State's offense wasn't about "getting lucky" by throwing the ball deep. Listen to Moorhead.

The Nittany Lion offense had 91 plays of 20 or more yards in 2016 – exactly seven per game, nearly two per quarter. (Interestingly, PSU had zero 20-plus plays in both the first and fourth quarters against USC in the Rose Bowl.) Compare that to 2014, when it had just half as many 20-plus plays (45), and to 2015, when it had only 56. The biggest change came in the passing game, as the Nittany Lions jumped from 36 passing plays of 20 yards or more in 2015 to 65 in 2016. And the average catch jumped from 13 yards in 2015 to a nation-leading 16.2 yards in 2016. Penn State threw less (only 42% of the time), but gained more.

That was by design, too.

“When we talked about the installation of this offense initially, we said it was predicated on running the ball successfully,” Moorhead said. “When you’re able to do that, it forces defenses to commit numbers to the box either by secondary support or by pressure. When you do that, you create one-on-one match-ups on the outside. I think we’ve shown the ability where if a team’s going to give us a favorable box to run the ball, we’ve been able to exploit it with Saquon (Barkley). And teams who are adamant about shutting him down and playing a heavy run defense, we’ve been able to throw the ball deep."


I think we had 7 four star receivers on the roster last year. We lose one of them. Speedster Brandon Polk returns from a medical redshirt. That is a big, fast, talented group. You want to play press man, load the safeties in the box, and have your smaller DB trail our WR....guess what is going to happen a great deal of the time? With an accurate QB and fast, talented wide receivers? That isn't luck, friendo. That is exploiting a matchup advantage when your defense is trying to take away the run.

With a deep, talented, and experienced offensive line next year, and teams having a year to look at film of PSU being able to throw the ball deep, PSU could see a very different look from defenses next year. Maybe they don't commit the same numbers to the box and dare PSU to run the ball.

Wonderful.
 
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Great takedown by Judge Smails of some faulty analysis from the Maize and Blue.

One addition to your notes on playmakers still around -- Barkley as a receiver; that wheel route is deadly, and I look for him to get more short passes come his way, too. We all know what he can do with a little space.
 
Brian Cook and the rest of the mgoblog folk --- the men who think they're always the smartest men in the room. I've never been impressed with their knowledge or their site as a whole (the site is basically an "echo chamber."). So let them have their "talking points" and let them think "oh, PSU's offense will suck in 2017."

Going back in the time machine to a Brian Cook classic --- rating Darryl Clark as a "1" prior to the 2008 season.

http://mgoblog.com/content/penn-state-party-its-nineteen-ninety-2005
 
Hopefully the UM coaches will buy into that and then get their collective asses handed to them come Autumn.
They aren't idiots like the guys on the podcast who are just jealous. Two straight 3rd place finishes in their own division has them scrambling.
 
Last Big Ten title: 2004. Last ten years: PSU 87 wins. Michigan 75 wins. With 5 years of the sanction mess thrown in there.

Yep, this is all you need to say to a Michigan man who wants to puff out his chest. Since their last B1G title, we've won 3, and that period encompasses us being under some of the worst sanctions in history. They're looking up at us, not the other way around. Don't ever forget it.
 
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This is the zombie talking point that refuses to die. "Penn State just chucks the ball deep and gets lucky."

If you listen to the last 5 minutes of this MGoBlog podcast, you get the full treatment.

http://mgoblog.com/sites/mgoblog.com/files/wtka 1-19-17.mp3

"Their explosiveness was flukish statistically....Penn State fluked it out....Got lucky against Ohio State with the punt block and blocked field goal ...Penn State just chucks the ball up to their receivers...Penn State is going to miss Godwin and needs to find another guy to threaten the defense.."

1) Against Ohio State, Penn State had a field goal blocked, fumbled a punt, and had a snap fly over the punters head for a safety....those weren't about bad luck I guess.

2) Besides Godwin, Saeed Blacknall has averaged 23 yards per catch in ’16 and 31 per in ’15. DeAndre Thompkins averaged 16.3 yards per catch in '16. Gesicki averaged 14.2 yards per catch from the tight end position.

Hamilton had a 54 yard catch. Gesicki had a 53 yard catch. Thompkins had a 70 yard catch. Blacknall had a 70 yard catch. Charles had an 80 yard catch.

The idea that Penn State will have no deep threat with Godwin gone is DUMB.
thats-dumb.gif


Look at what happened in the B1G Championship game for an illustration.

i
Penn State Receiving
REC YDS AVG TD LONG
Saeed Blacknall 6 155 25.8 2 70
DaeSean Hamilton 8 118 14.8 0 38
Mike Gesicki 3 58 19.3 1 33
Chris Godwin 3 33 11.0 0 14
Saquon Barkley 2 20 10.0 1 18

3) Penn State's offense wasn't about "getting lucky" by throwing the ball deep. Listen to Moorhead.

The Nittany Lion offense had 91 plays of 20 or more yards in 2016 – exactly seven per game, nearly two per quarter. (Interestingly, PSU had zero 20-plus plays in both the first and fourth quarters against USC in the Rose Bowl.) Compare that to 2014, when it had just half as many 20-plus plays (45), and to 2015, when it had only 56. The biggest change came in the passing game, as the Nittany Lions jumped from 36 passing plays of 20 yards or more in 2015 to 65 in 2016. And the average catch jumped from 13 yards in 2015 to a nation-leading 16.2 yards in 2016. Penn State threw less (only 42% of the time), but gained more.

That was by design, too.

“When we talked about the installation of this offense initially, we said it was predicated on running the ball successfully,” Moorhead said. “When you’re able to do that, it forces defenses to commit numbers to the box either by secondary support or by pressure. When you do that, you create one-on-one match-ups on the outside. I think we’ve shown the ability where if a team’s going to give us a favorable box to run the ball, we’ve been able to exploit it with Saquon (Barkley). And teams who are adamant about shutting him down and playing a heavy run defense, we’ve been able to throw the ball deep."


I think we had 7 four star receivers on the roster last year. We lose one of them. Speedster Brandon Polk returns from a medical redshirt. That is a big, fast, talented group. You want to play press man, load the safeties in the box, and have your smaller DB trail our WR....guess what is going to happen a great deal of the time? With an accurate QB and fast, talented wide receivers? That isn't luck, friendo. That is exploiting a matchup advantage when your defense is trying to take away the run.

With a deep, talented, and experienced offensive line next year, and teams having a year to look at film of PSU being able to throw the ball deep, PSU could see a very different look from defenses next year. Maybe they don't commit the same numbers to the box and dare PSU to run the ball.

Wonderful.

Throwing the ball down field to good receivers that are capeable of winning 50/50 battles against shorter defenders is a sound football strategy, not fluke football. The consistency by which we were able to do it against all teams we played not just Ohio State, is evidence that it is not fluke football.
 
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Throwing the ball down field to good receivers that are capeable of winning 50/50 battles against shorter defenders is a sound football strategy, not fluke football. The consistency by which we were able to do it against all teams we played not just Ohio State, is evidence that it is not fluke football.

With the above said, I do believe we will see a somewhat different offense next year as a result of finally having a potentially dominant offensive line. I believe the passing game will open up even more at all levels due to better protection and play action as a result of having a very dangerous running game.
 
As Feinbaum said, the most arrogant fanbase in all of college football. And what do they have to show for it? 1/2 half a nationall championship in the last 50 years. That is less than Pitt. Leaders and Best for sure.
 
Isn't the "Brian" from MGoBlow the same one who called Graham Zug a "slow, white wide receiver"? And the good ol' Zug went and caught 5 TDs versus the Fighting Harboogers the next two years? Classic.

Maybe next season they will move to second place in the East division, but there is no way UM wins the division. That will probably come down to our game with tOSU in Columbus.
 
49-10, Franklin will need to show he can be in a competitive game with Harbaugh before people start believing. When he kicked a field goal down 28-0 in the 3rd last year it was a sad moment, maybe 3rd times a charm??
 
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49-10, Franklin will need to show he can be in a competitive game with Harbaugh before people start believing. When he kicked a field goal down 28-0 in the 3rd last year it was a sad moment, maybe 3rd times a charm??
Good grief
 
49-10, Franklin will need to show he can be in a competitive game with Harbaugh before people start believing. When he kicked a field goal down 28-0 in the 3rd last year it was a sad moment, maybe 3rd times a charm??
Franklin just won the B10. People are believing.

Unfortunately for Michigan, it's just matter of time before Jimbo wears out his welcome or takes a job in the NFL.
 
Franklin just won the B10. People are believing.

Unfortunately for Michigan, it's just matter of time before Jimbo wears out his welcome or takes a job in the NFL.
I'm sure that's the hope around here, but unlikely. One day Franklin might be able to keep it close, or he can just wait until Harbaugh "wears out his welcome" still can't believe people type or even believe that.
 
Last Big Ten title: 2004. Last ten years: PSU 87 wins. Michigan 75 wins. With 5 years of the sanction mess thrown in there.
BIG 10 implemented instant replay in... wait for it... 2004. Coincidence that UM has won only 1 since the time when refs get a second look vs instant reaction? I don't think so.
 
I'm sure that's the hope around here, but unlikely. One day Franklin might be able to keep it close, or he can just wait until Harbaugh "wears out his welcome" still can't believe people type or even believe that.

I don't think he'll wear out his welcome. I've always said he'll be committed to the loony bin before he wears out his welcome.
 
I'm sure that's the hope around here, but unlikely. One day Franklin might be able to keep it close, or he can just wait until Harbaugh "wears out his welcome" still can't believe people type or even believe that.
Why? The 49ers were incredibly successful under JH and they ditched him. Imagine how much of a pain in the ass you have to be for that to happen. From what I hear, Stanford was pretty similar. I look forward to your shock when PSU beats UM next year and when Harbaugh leaves within 4 years.
 
I'm sure that's the hope around here, but unlikely. One day Franklin might be able to keep it close, or he can just wait until Harbaugh "wears out his welcome" still can't believe people type or even believe that.

Yea, a coach who can't finish better than third in the BIG East really scares me. I hope Hoke 2.0 sticks around forever.
 
Yea, a coach who can't finish better than third in the BIG East really scares me. I hope Hoke 2.0 sticks around forever.
He probably should worry you, he's dominated Franklin. Stanford didn't want him to leave he was offered a huge extension but went to the Niners, and it easy to see York an Ballke screwed up not Harbaugh but keep believing I guess. Hell Franklin couldn't even beat Hoke, i look at next year as another Michigan win though it may be close if Mcsorley can hit a few of those 50/50 balls that he likes to throw
 
He probably should worry you, he's dominated Franklin. Stanford didn't want him to leave he was offered a huge extension but went to the Niners, and it easy to see York an Ballke screwed up not Harbaugh but keep believing I guess. Hell Franklin couldn't even beat Hoke

And Harbaugh can't beat Meyer. Never will.
 
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He probably should worry you, he's dominated Franklin. Stanford didn't want him to leave he was offered a huge extension but went to the Niners, and it easy to see York an Ballke screwed up not Harbaugh but keep believing I guess. Hell Franklin couldn't even beat Hoke, i look at next year as another Michigan win though it may be close if Mcsorley can hit a few of those 50/50 balls that he likes to throw

Come back and brag on your coach when he can actually win a division. That UM team should have won the East EASILY, but regressed big time as the year went on. Hoke 2.0 couldn't even beat Iowa. Then it loses, what, 36? seniors and early departures? UM is a team sliding, and PSU is on the rise. UM plays PSU in November, and the outcome would have been very different.
 
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Come back and brag on your coach when he can actually win a division. That UM team should have won the East EASILY, but regressed big time as the year went on. Hoke 2.0 couldn't even beat Iowa. Then it loses, what, 36? seniors and early departures? UM is a team sliding, and PSU is on the rise. UM plays PSU in November, and the outcome would have been very different.
Hahahahahaha wow, once again Hoke owned Franklin but not as bad as Harbaugh has. No one sees PSU as a team on the rise, they had a favorable schedule and had their difficult games at the beginning of the season, the last month you played no one except for some luck against UW
 
How many B1G championships does Harbaugh have?

Michigan is more of a "win the battle, not the war" type football program.
 
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