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Eagles WiLL get Mariota,

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to me the trading of McCoy, letting Maclin go and NOW the signing of Sanchez means getting Mariota is a DONE DEAL.
As a fan, I'm not happy. We are now looking at a 2-3 year re-build. But, I believe Kelly wants "his" McNabb. He is ALL in on this.
Laurie, will hold him accountable for "his" team NOT Reid's. I see Kelly giving up top draft picks and Foles.
In short, the Eagles will unload any higher priced veteran and sign "youth" and generally cheep "veterans" (Gore, etc.).
 
I'm not an Eagles fan but thought that Foles was a top 10 QB before last year. Have the Eagles lost faith because of injury?
 
While agree with you, it is a done deal. This is no rebuild

The way Chip views it Mariota is starter from day 1 and he signing talent on the D side of the ball and he is just going to coach up whoever he has at other skill positions on offense. Which I agree with. Look at Maclin in '14 and Jackson in '13, both had 200 more yards than they ever had. McCoy averaged a little over 900 yards a year under Fat Andy and averaged 1400 under Chip. Look for Mathews and Ertz to become stars this year.

Every team 2-6 has had smoke around possibly trading their pick to the Eagles. Chip may create a bidding war between them for whatever bundle of goods the Eagles are willing to part with, while non of those other teams will actually take Mariota. That bundle will probably include Foles, Kendricks and Boykins plus our 1st pick this year and next. Pretty good for any team drafting at the top of the draft.
 
I have a bad feeling about this but then I started to count...


the # of Super Bowls the Eagles have won and didn't get to "1".


So they may as well go all in on Kelley's approach.
 
Foles, I believe, will have a long successful NFL career. NOT with the Eagles. Kelly, wants HIS guy (dual-threat QB, Mariota). Foles was a Reid guy, as was Jackson, McCoy, Macklin (all gone). Like most, if not, all "coaches" they are very ego driven. I guess that comes with the job. I really think Foles playing so well kind of messed up Kelly's plans. If Foles was bad and the team lost, as many expected, Kelly would have begun "his" plan sooner. Now the team, with Foles etc. is too good to rebuild without a total tear down. That is what is happening.
That being said, he has to be somewhat careful, because of the Phila "fans" :) So, he will sign a player or two that says "see we want to win now". BUT, if I am correct and it's Mariota it will be years.
 
Chip's putting all his Ducks in one basket...


Question is... how patient will the Fans be?
 
There's only one problem with this strategy.

The Eagles pick at #20. Mariota will likely go #1 or #2, at the very worst Top 5. You still need to find a way to get up to the #1 spot to take him. They'd look like idiots trading up to #2 and seeing Mariota get picked first.

Still have no idea why that 10th win was SO important to Chip considering it moved him from #14 to #20 in the draft. I guess that's ego and short-term thinking over a long-range plan. That decision alone makes me think Chip doesn't really think as deeply as we give him credit for.
 
OTOH it's why Howie Roseman is still around, IMO Laurie given Chip enough

rope to hang himself. I think he has 2 yrs max to make this work. if in 2 years the Eagles at 6-10, no why Chipper sees yr 5, Laurie has Roseman hanging around, to take things back over and start over, with somebody he knows and trusts (Roseman). If Chipper has a deep playoff run, than Chipper gets to stay.

I dont agree with what Chipper has done here, as I did not think the Eagles needed a total tear down after 9-7, 10-6. But we shall see!!
 
Re: OTOH it's why Howie Roseman is still around, IMO Laurie given Chip enough


JMO....If Mariotta doesn't go #1, I think he slides to #6...I also think if Kelly doesn't grab him he goes after Bryce Petty in round 2....
 
Re: Chip's putting all his Ducks in one basket...

That would be putting "all his Ducks in a row". Or "all his eggs in one basket".

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From what I have read Winston has REALLY solidified his position as #1. Mariota is closer to Geno Smith? To be fair, as of now, the "experts" seem to think Mariota has "potential". The Eagles, I think, will offer 2 first round picks and 2 second rounders plus one or two of their top current players (you pick them). Foles will be traded elsewhere for a second round pick.
IF Chip gets a "Geno" he will be run out of town and the NFL. He will get probably two years to start to win. Goodness is EVERY team in Philadelphia "re-building" ?
 
I think they would make that kind of offer to Tampa...don't know if they will give up that much at #6..if its the jets, I say Foles and a #1, maybe a #2 next year....yes Chip is hanging his ass out there...
 
They didn't 'let Maclin go'.

They tried to sign him and KC offered more, so that doesn't factor into your theory.

There are also rumors that the Eagles are interested in trading for Capernick. If true, it also shows that they are not all in on Mariota.

While I think Chip wants Mariota, I don't think it's even close to a foregone conclusion.
 
Eagles were not going anywhere with that defense! They have already upgraded and still have a lot of moves they can make. After I got past the emotional part of the trade, I think Chip might have done an outstanding job this off season. If Gore can give them 1 good year, the Eagles can draft a go to RB of the future.
 
>>Still have no idea why that 10th win was SO important to Chip considering it moved him from #14 to #20 in the draft. I guess that's ego and short-term thinking over a long-range plan. That decision alone makes me think Chip doesn't really think as deeply as we give him credit for.
 
Question for Eagels fans...

what happened to Foles? I don't follow the NFL that closely but I was under the impression he had a great 2013 and then was injured this year. Are they/Kelly simply not that high on him or do they think Mariota is an elite talent? I love Mariot the person but get a bad feeling about his NFL prospects. Similar QB's, RGIII and Cam Newton have not had the success many predicted for them. Not that Newton is a bad QB but I don't view him as better than Foles.
 
If a coach feels that a QB is "his" guy and is "his" franchise QB ... then so be it. I doubt anyone on this board knows more about football than Chip Kelly.

That being said. My only problem with making Mariotta your "guy" is that if he is not the guy, then you are really behind because you also have to arrange a system just for him. And those guys may not be good fits for any other system.

For example. Lets say that Kelly fell in love with Winston and wanted to make Winston "his" franchise QB. The difference is that Winston is a pro-style QB and you'd build a pro style offense around Winston. If Winston crashed and burned, then at least you'd have a bunch of other pro style pieces for the next guy. But with Mariotta. If he crashed and burned, then you might have a bunch of "system" relevant only guys, who only fit Kelly's system. And are useless to the next guy ..... which could make for a prolonged rebuilding era.

If Chip is "all in" for Mariotta, he better be damn sure.
 
10 mil for Maxwell and offered McCourty more than the pats

This is not a tear down. Supposedly they are now in on Tramon Williams and Rahim Moore. That isn't a secondary that is planning for a few years its a secondary that should be able to help a rookie QB win games. Elway and Roethlisberger went to the big one in their first years. I dont know if Mariota can do that but the goal is to try, not develop him for the future.
 
Yeah I feel bad for my Eagle fan friends if true. I just don't see him...

...being that successful of a pro. I think he's another one of the many fantastic college QBs that doesn't have the game for the pros.

Frankly, I'm VERY surprised that he and Winston are projected to go so high.
 
Re: Question for Eagels fans...

First, most people realized that Foles performance in 2013 (27TD vs 2 INT) was not going to continue. Judging him on those 10-11(??) games is not realistic. Even before he got injured last season, he was not even close to that good. A lot of turnovers and no mobility in the pocket. I think he is probably an average QB that benefited from Kelly's system and great performances from Shady and DeSean.

With the offense that Kelly runs, it is more beneficial to have a QB that can actually run on a read-option play. Just the threat of a QB run will help the running backs a lot.

While I'm not sold on Mariota, you can also compare him to Capernick and Wilson who have been successful. Mariota is better and smarter than both RG and Newton.
 
I think there are two issues with Foles...neither of which make him a bad QB, but just not the ideal QB for Chip Kelly.

In Kelly's scheme there are not a lot of Pre-Snap reads for the QB. Most of the decision making comes post-snap where a QB will have to decide among several options. The QB literally has a split second to make the right decision. Some guys are just better at this than others. Sanchez was supposedly better at making those 'quick' decisions than Foles. Sanchez basically ran the offense better than Foles, but had a limited upside due to lack of arm strength.

The second issue Foles had was his lack of any type of mobility. Again, in an offense that is all about presenting the defense with multiple options to defense, Foles possesses no threat to run. It's not a requirement for Chip Kelly but certainly a REALLy nice luxury. Sanchez didn't possess the run option either (at least to the degree that had defenses concerned).

There is a reason Chip LOVES Mariota. He's truly gifted at making these quick post snap reads and he posseses high end mobility. He can't make incredibly quick decisions much like Sanchez, but unlike Sanchez runs a 4.5 and has a much stronger arm. He's also been in a version of that offense practicing for the past 4 years. Mariota's ability in a typical pro-style offense might be above average, but in Chip Kelly's scheme may be elite.

I think Foles could end up be a very good pocket passer somewhere in the league as I think he's a smart QB, works hard, makes some great throws and is a good guy. I'm also pretty confident he'll be moved by draft day.
 
Originally posted by jjsocrates:

There's only one problem with this strategy.

The Eagles pick at #20. Mariota will likely go #1 or #2, at the very worst Top 5. You still need to find a way to get up to the #1 spot to take him. They'd look like idiots trading up to #2 and seeing Mariota get picked first.

Still have no idea why that 10th win was SO important to Chip considering it moved him from #14 to #20 in the draft. I guess that's ego and short-term thinking over a long-range plan. That decision alone makes me think Chip doesn't really think as deeply as we give him credit for.
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You hit the nail on the head. If the Eagles trade for the number 2 pick before the Draft, the Bucs will start making serious noise about taking Mariota with the first pick if, for nothing more, to see how much the Eagles will put on the table to get Mariota. The Eagles are either going to have to trade for Number 1 or wait until after the Bucs pick to trade for number 2.
 
Re: Question for Eagels fans...

I wouldn't compare him to Wilson. Wilson came out of a pro set office in college. He runs but he also understands being under center and having progressions to read in the passing game.

Kaepernick is a better comparison and I would call him a success yet. To date he has been solid.

For the Eagles sake I hope they haven't made all of these moves to get a Colin Kaepernick.
 
If Chip trades up for Mariota and is wrong he will be gone...

so he doesn't care about what the next guy has to do
 
Jax could trade 3rd pick to the Rams.

The Rams have an outstanding defense and are just a QB from being a playoff team IMO.Would be easier for them to move up from 10 than Eagles at 20.
 
Is it just me? or does anyone else "think" the top 10 or so picks are "agreed" upon by the teams before the draft. In short, most of this is scripted? Remember this is a "money making" business. Yes, you like competition, "but" not too much ;-)

The Eagles are in "serious" trouble IF they do not get Mariota. NO - Jackson, Macklin, McCoy ??? THAT was ALL of their offense. Now they have - Cooper, ????, Gore. Are you kidding me?
Plus all I ha e seen from Chip is Offense. So now what? Does anyone, other than him, think this team can play in the NFL??? His "system" will not make Cooper any faster or Gore any younger :)
 
Foles will be an above average NFL QB, nothing more. And potentially comes back down to earth as average. Remember Matt Cassel, not much difference. Foles benefitted greatly from scouts not having any tape on either him or Kelly's offense. When they had both at the beginning of last year, Foles was nowhere near as good.

I also think what you guys are missing is the new NFL. Guys like Bellicheck have a master plan where they only spend so much money per position. So they will spend big money on a QB or left tackle or monster Dlineman or elite DB, but they will not spend big money on other positions. Running back is a position where Kelly is basically saying that he is not going to spend money. So spend $10 million on McCoy or spend a couple million on Gore and spend the rest upgrading the secondary and linebacker positions. That is the choice Kelly made, not McCoy versus Alonso. Kelly has the RB position slotted as only taking up $X dollars in the salary cap as other positions are deemed much more important.

Do any Eagles fans think that resigning Maclin at big $$$ and keeping Foles and McCoy and trying to take whatever small money is left and upgrading a position or two on defense was going to bring the Eagles to the Super Bowl. Zero chance. Kelly doing the right thing by changing some things.
 
While I understand "saving money" to get younger and someday better. BUTTTTTTTT - where was the replacement for Jackson? Who will replace McCoy (Gore?? even Gore doesn't believe that), NOW Macklin. Oops I forgot they have Cooper? (Cooper does not start for any team other than the Eagles).
Could be Kelly is "all in" on Sanchez :)
Maybe it's time to become a Cowboy's fan? Well, I'm not that desperate yet :)
 
sure they did, they could have tagged him, if they wanted to

so they let him go. The Eagles had control in that case not the player.
 
Huh? And pay him over $12 mil? How is that any different?

They made offers but obviously decided he wasn't worth the 11mil that KC was paying. Why would they pay him over $12 mil that comes with the franchise tag? That would be foolish.

Letting him go means they would not have offered him anything and chose to go in a different direction.
 
we differ on the term 'letting go ' meaning, the Eagles let him walk


they choose not to match KC or JM choose $1mm less in Philly wasnt worth. With the Eagles cap room this yr, paying him $12mm was not out of reason. As mentioned , Laurie gave Chip all the rope to hang himself, so we will see. The NFL does not rotate their players every 2-3 yrs, so there are only so many ways to trick somebody. The league will catch up fast, and the 'I can plug anybody into my offense and it will be successful' attitude might change real quick.
 
In the context of the OP.....

He said that the Eagles are letting go vets (cited Maclin specifically) with the intent of getting Mariotta. This infers a premeditated plan to ditch these vets in favor of 'the plan'. The fact that the Eagles were offering Maclin a bunch of money ($10 mil from what I have heard) means that they weren't just letting Maclin go as part of this master plan. They clearly wanted him back, but just not willing to go to $11mil.

Belichick has won 4 super bowls with plug in players. Kelly needs his own franchise QB to have a chance at doing the same.
 
Forgotten in all of this - the Eagles are now HOW much under the cap?? I think I heard $50 Million, which sounds ridiculous, but given who they just cut - might be correct.

What the hell are they going to do? Even if they sign 2 or 3 big free agents, and get MM in the draft they'll still be $25 million under the cap. If the Eagles go 8-8 next year, how the hell will Lurie or Kelly justify that record and that payroll to the fans?

Every time they let a veteran go for $, they now have one MORE position to fill. They can go with free agents (does any team get ALL their needs filled with Free Agents?) or the draft (but since they're apparently trading away their whole draft - nada!). Just seems like they literally have TOO many holes to fill.

Just like last year. They release DeSean Jackson, and have nobody to replace him. So they have to use a 2nd round pick on a WR, when they really, really, really needed to upgrade on defense, and they already wasted their 1st rounder on a "project" - I'm not sure I see a plan here from Kelly. Its one thing to fill a roster of 12 players on a BB team, but the Eagles need 55, and they're already in need of upgrades all over the place.

This is a rebuilding year, no matter what anybody says.
 
The Eagles have made a science out of managing the


salary cap and getting consistently good results, but their luck re: injuries has not been that good which has somewhat mitigated these results. When it comes to roster matters and player 'value' I trust their judgment.
 
again we dis agree on context, IMO the Eagles didnt clearly want JM back,

they wanted him back at their price, not market price, same with Mc Coy. They would have happily kept Shady, at their price, which isnt market price. I agree you need a QB, defense, coach to win a superbowl. I think the Eagles didnt need much to get there, with Foles at QB, Mc Coy & JM on O, they needed to fix their D, not start over. To OP (and me) the Eagles are acting like a team that lost 12 games, not one that won 10 games
 
this may be a rebuilding year, but it didnt have to be a rebuilding yr

the Eagles, ie Chip has made this a rebuilding year, when he didnt have to. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
 
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