I watched a good part of all the Ucla losses. I’m not sure how good their opponents were but Ucla was not impressive. That coach has his hands full.UCLA is an odd duck. For a program that was pretty good in the Terry Donahue years they have just disappeared from the list of prominent football programs.
UCLA is an odd duck. For a program that was pretty good in the Terry Donahue years they have just disappeared from the list of prominent football programs.
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I wouldn't. Sure, the Lions have a good offense, but they're not an explosive, big-play offense (yet).
It seems unethical to force those guys to play at noon. There should be a standing rule in the conference that at the earliest a West Coast team starts at 3:30 EST. And likewise, an eastern team should never play at 10:30 EST for a 730 game on the West Coast.UCLA coming in from the west coast after consecutive beat-downs against three ranked teams -- God knows what's gotten into Indiana -- and now draws a noon kick at our place. Seems like they could be demoralized at this point.
This game could get out of hand early what with the factor of emotions and our talent edge. It adds up to a W by at least 28, but you never know.
I guess that it made too much sense to play the Iowa at OSU game at noon rather than make a West Coast team play a de facto 9:00 game for them.It seems unethical to force those guys to play at noon. There should be a standing rule in the conference that at the earliest a West Coast team starts at 3:30 EST. And likewise, an eastern team should never play at 10:30 EST for a 730 game on the West Coast.
It seems unethical to force those guys to play at noon. There should be a standing rule in the conference that at the earliest a West Coast team starts at 3:30 EST. And likewise, an eastern team should never play at 10:30 EST for a 730 game on the West Coast.
UCLA coming in from the west coast after consecutive beat-downs against three ranked teams -- God knows what's gotten into Indiana -- and now draws a noon kick at our place. Seems like they could be demoralized at this point.
This game could get out of hand early what with the factor of emotions and our talent edge. It adds up to a W by at least 28, but you never know.
Dick Vermeil and Terry Donahue had some damn good teams at UCLA. Unfortunately, they couldn't sustain that success. This year's team will win two or three games. They are to USC what Pitt is to Penn State in terms of attraction to recruits. Definitely a tough draw.
Ethics has nothing to do with the B2GIt seems unethical to force those guys to play at noon. There should be a standing rule in the conference that at the earliest a West Coast team starts at 3:30 EST. And likewise, an eastern team should never play at 10:30 EST for a 730 game on the West Coast.
I counter with our horrendous record of terrible 1st qtrs in nooners.UCLA coming in from the west coast after consecutive beat-downs against three ranked teams -- God knows what's gotten into Indiana -- and now draws a noon kick at our place. Seems like they could be demoralized at this point.
This game could get out of hand early what with the factor of emotions and our talent edge. It adds up to a W by at least 28, but you never know.
I wonder if the west coast teams willingly entered into an agreement knowing the potential for this scheduling albatross to become reality.It seems unethical to force those guys to play at noon. There should be a standing rule in the conference that at the earliest a West Coast team starts at 3:30 EST. And likewise, an eastern team should never play at 10:30 EST for a 730 game on the West Coast.
UCLA has not been to State College for a football game since 1968.It is interesting that ticket prices are high compared to Illinois
the cheapest "all in" on tickpix is $86. When I checked Saturday night, it was $106 so it is falling. Last week the Ill tickets, a 19th ranked opponent, was ~ $25.UCLA has not been to State College for a football game since 1968.
Interestingly, we played them 6 years in a row from '63-'68 going 1-2 both at home and on the road.
And we definitely have some Senior Lion alums who were witness to or remember these contests.
Plus, throw in some Cali $ and interest...
They think we're 11 points better than LSU and 7 points better than Oregon?Bruins ... lost by 17 to LSU, and 21 to Oregon
I wonder if the west coast teams willingly entered into an agreement knowing the potential for this scheduling albatross to become reality.
I'm sure it made cents when they were chasing the $'s - and they did not want to be 'left out'....
I agree.West Coast teams playing at noon ET when away is not anything new. Of course USC/UCLA (and later Washington and Oregon) knew that was on the table when joining the Big Ten. It's still a far better situation for them in terms of exposure (and of course $$$) than being in the PAC-12.
Also, the West Coast teams will typically only make 3 trips east per season for conference games in football (occasionally 4). That's not really a large number each season if only 1 or two of them are even at noon.
I agree.
And I'm guessing the terms and conditions for the former PAC-12 members were nebulous in that the networks will make that final determination based on where they pick and the attractiveness of the game.
And this is the reality of those details.
They think we're 11 points better than LSU and 7 points better than Oregon?
I suspect Helene had an overall impact, in various ways, to the price and demand for tickets.the cheapest "all in" on tickpix is $86. When I checked Saturday night, it was $106 so it is falling. Last week the Ill tickets, a 19th ranked opponent, was ~ $25.
good point. Looking at ticket sales before the season, ILL wasn't considered a good game but UCLA was. Plus, after UCLA, we don't play at home again until Nov 2nd vs tOSU (two away games and a bye)I suspect Helene had an overall impact, in various ways, to the price and demand for tickets.
109K+ turned out at Beaver Stadium for the game Saturday night so perhaps some folks who would not normally be able to attend took advantage of the discounted prices.
Last week tickets may have been depressed by fears of Helene attending the game.the cheapest "all in" on tickpix is $86. When I checked Saturday night, it was $106 so it is falling. Last week the Ill tickets, a 19th ranked opponent, was ~ $25.
Well, maybe it's nebulous to me because, beyond the specified condition that no west coast team will be required to host a noon kickoff, I'm not familiar with how the games are selected for the noon time slot.I don't think there was anything nebulous. The networks stated that west coast teams in the Big Ten were not going to host noon ET games. Anything else is in play and the schools certainly knew that playing at noon on the road was something that was going to happen.
Well, maybe it's nebulous to me because, beyond the specified condition that no west coast team will be required to host a noon kickoff, I'm not familiar with how the games are selected for the noon time slot.
Are there restrictions on the number of times the same west coast team can be slotted for a noon kickoff game?
Can UCLA's game at Rutgers on 11/2 be slotted for a noon kickoff?
Are they required to play an away game noon ko annually?
Thank you for the prompt and informative update!Answers:
No, no restrictions to the number of times playing at noon. Could be every single away game they play in the ET/CT schools
Absolutely, the game against Rutgers on 11/2 could be at noon.
No requirement for a number of noon games away, but any game could be slotted there.
UCLA (and all the PAC schools) are aware of this possibility. None of this would be a surprise to them.
The way games are chosen is a little complex given that there are three different networks (FOX, CBS, NBC) as well as their non-network outlets (FS1 and BTN for FOX, Peacock for NBC) that can broadcast football games. But they have a system in place that determines the selection order in any given week and the Big Ten and conference teams are privy to that information. In general, the basic thing is that FOX network games at at noon, CBS at 3:30 ET, NBC at 7:30 ET. FOX also carries some games on Friday nights - announced in advance of the season - and rare Saturday nights (after dark at 10 PM ET). Otherwise, games on BTN, FS1 or Peacock can be in pretty much any window.
They think we're 11 points better than LSU and 7 points better than Oregon?
Thank you for the prompt and informative update!
May I inquire as to how and why you are so knowledgeable in this area?
It seems beyond conventional fandom so I was wondering if you were in some way involved in the process.
I don't think there was anything nebulous. The networks stated that west coast teams in the Big Ten were not going to host noon ET games. Anything else is in play and the schools certainly knew that playing at noon on the road was something that was going to happen.
Correct--just like now we could play a 10pm start time on the west coastI wonder if the west coast teams willingly entered into an agreement knowing the potential for this scheduling albatross to become reality.
I'm sure it made cents when they were chasing the $'s - and they did not want to be 'left out'....
We've lived in Pasadena since 2010 and when we first moved here, I got season tickets for UCLA football since the Rose Bowl is only a few miles away and I thought it would be something to do. That was Neuheisel's next-to-last year. It was so different than what I was used to--being spoiled by Penn State. The only game where the stadium felt full was the UCLA-USC game. Since then, there's been brief moments of excitement--Jim Mora's first 2-3 seasons but outside of that, it really is an afterthought. Even during USC's down years, when UCLA could have built support, it never really happened. UCLA has supporters but it's their alumni. USC has support from everyone else and there are more of everyone else.Going back even further, UCLA had some great teams under Tommy Prothro in the late 1960s. In every decade since then, they've had occasional excellent years...and a number of mediocre seasons as well. At the moment, they definitely appear to be back on the downslide.
Wait, am I understanding you correctly then that our October 12 game against USC can NOT kick at 12:00 Eastern time?
I'd love that to be the case for reasons explained below, but that's not the impression I get from the Trojans Wire piece linked below which says Fox will air the game, and it could in fact be kicked off at 12:00 EST...though as of today, this has not been determined yet.
It's important information for me because my grandson's football games are this Saturday at 3:00 and the following Saturday at 12:00. Being the devoted Grandpa that I am, I have to attend at least one of them. Even though it's the 10-year old league where these kids are more or less just running around bumping into one another.
If I attend his game this Saturday, then I'd have to miss much of the 2nd half of our game against UCLA. Therefore, the following Saturday at noon seems better but not if the huge USC game kicks at 12:00 Eastern.
I'd rather miss some of the UCLA game, which hopefully will be in the bag early, than take a chance on even missing one play of the USC game. But I'm guessing we won't know the start time of the USC game until next week.
Anyway, here's the link I mentioned:
Will USC-Penn State football be a 9 am kickoff in LA this October?
USC-Penn State playing at 9 a.m. on Fox Big Noon Saturday is a real possibility after a surprising twist in the college football media world.trojanswire.usatoday.com
I think the article is making leaps that are not correct - among them the point the idea that the networks trade games as opposed to selection order; in this case, it seems like FOX traded the first choice of games on 10/12 to NBC and that choice is almost certainly going to be Oregon/Ohio St but doesn't have to be.
But this came up previously and it seems that FOX has the ability to switch broadcast windows with CBS if FOX selects a west coast home game. So, if FOX does choose PSU/USC on 10/12, it will likely end up that FOX will carry that game at 3:30 and CBS will carry a Big Ten game at noon (most likely either Wisconsin/Rutgers or Washington/Iowa).