Early look at PSU Only Most Dominant Wrestler

[RoarLions1]

Using the NCAA's math...here's a look at PSU's top-6, basically our undefeated's. I believe this to be one of those "internal team competition" metrics used by the coaching staff.

Wt Name Score
149 Retherford 5.89
184 Nickal 5.75
157 Nolf 5.67
285 Nevills 4.14
125 Suriano 3.78
197 McCutcheon 3.63

I will occasionally, throughout the season, post updates, which will include the top guys from other teams too. It's early, so don't read too much into the stats. We have a tournament coming up (Reno) that is far more challenging than the Keystone Classic, though not as tough as the Scuffle, followed by Big ten Conference Duals. More to come!!

Still, what the guys have accomplished is commendable, and just what the coaches teach.

 

[LemonPie]

If Okie St isn't bringing their starters, Reno is only moderately more challenging than Keystone

 

[NittanyChris]

If Okie St isn't bringing their starters, Reno is only moderately more challenging than Keystone

Is this speculation or has this been confirmed?
I thought they were bringing everyone.

 

[LemonPie]

Is this speculation or has this been confirmed?
I thought they were bringing everyone.

I have no info. Only what I read from an Okie st poster. I basically threw a fit on themat about PSU's schedule. I will spare all of you.

 

[LemonPie]

Point Differential/7 minutes adjusted rankings of undefeated wrestlers

Zain Retherford- 24.58
Jason Nolf- 20.39
Bo Nickal- 20.08
Nick Nevills- 11.03
Nick Suriano- 8.59
Matt McCutcheon- 5.39

 

[tikk10]

I have no info. Only what I read from an Okie st poster.

Not exactly confirmation but Alex Steen thinks starters are going

 

[GOLDBANGER]

Using the NCAA's math...here's a look at PSU's top-6, basically our undefeated's. I believe this to be one of those "internal team competition" metrics used by the coaching staff.

Wt Name Score
149 Retherford 5.89
184 Nickal 5.75
157 Nolf 5.67
285 Nevills 4.14
125 Suriano 3.78
197 McCutcheon 3.63

I will occasionally, throughout the season, post updates, which will include the top guys from other teams too. It's early, so don't read too much into the stats. We have a tournament coming up (Reno) that is far more challenging than the Keystone Classic, though not as tough as the Scuffle, followed by Big ten Conference Duals. More to come!!

Still, what the guys have accomplished is commendable, and just what the coaches teach.

You know it's like home when you run into Roar and Mrs Roar at the BJC. Great seeing you and nice compilation...THANKS!!

 

[LemonPie]

But will Alex Steen be wrestling?!

 

[El-Jefe]

Using the NCAA's math...here's a look at PSU's top-6, basically our undefeated's. I believe this to be one of those "internal team competition" metrics used by the coaching staff.

Wt Name Score
149 Retherford 5.89
184 Nickal 5.75
157 Nolf 5.67
285 Nevills 4.14
125 Suriano 3.78
197 McCutcheon 3.63

This list is 5 guys too long. Just ask WIN Magazine.

 

[NittanyChris]

Certainly would be nice to put the beatdown on some Cowpokes this weekend.

 

[Gumby79]

Wt Name Score
149 Retherford 5.89
184 Nickal 5.75
157 Nolf 5.67
285 Nevills 4.14
125 Suriano 3.78
197 McCutcheon 3.63

Additionally, five of the six wrestlers listed above have yet to give up a takedown this season. Nolf is the only one to have been taken down this season. 41 matches- 3 hours, 26 minutes and 9 seconds of wrestling and ZERO takedowns allowed.

 

[LemonPie]

Nevills gave up a takedown to Vollaro going for the major.

 

[Gumby79]

Nevills gave up a takedown to Vollaro going for the major.

I stand corrected. So that leaves four wrestlers who have not given up a takedown. Will any of them get through the season without a single takedown allowed?

 

[LemonPie]

I stand corrected. So that leaves four wrestlers who have not given up a takedown. Will any of them get through the season without a single takedown allowed?

Zain might have a shot.

 

[diggerpup]

Zain might have a shot.

I think Zain only gave up one takedown last year if I remember.

Michigan's Pantaleo hit Zain with an explosive double leg for a crisp takedown. But Zain ended up pinning him.

 

[dunkej01]

Zain might have a shot.

That is just so crazy to think about. The fact it remotely is a possibility is even crazier.

 

[RoarLions1]

Why is giving up takedowns a bad thing? In Coach's world, he talks about it (in the context of aggressiveness and scoring often) as a good thing. The fear of giving up a takedown is what causes wrestlers to go into defensive mode. Not at all what's being taught.

 

[El-Jefe]

True, but I'd bet he'd be OK with a guy going undefeated with bonus in every match and no takedowns against.

 

[RoarLions1]

No doubt...but there is a paradigm shift afoot

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Why is giving up takedowns a bad thing? In Coach's world, he talks about it (in the context of aggressiveness and scoring often) as a good thing. The fear of giving up a takedown is what causes wrestlers to go into defensive mode. Not at all what's being taught.

+100000000000000000000

I was actually thinking this reading the thread earlier today. Give me Jason Nolf at work any day over the talented guy happy to dominate and win 6-2.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

I think Zain only gave up one takedown last year if I remember.

I only have data for last season's duals.

In duals last season:
- Nico had 72 TDs, and only gave up 1
- Zain had 47 TDs, and only gave up 1
- Nickal had 54 TDs, and only gave up 1
- McIntosh had 48 TDs, and only gave up 2
- Nolf had 92 TDs, and only gave up 3

Roar has a good point about giving up TDs not necessarily being a bad thing, but I do like the ratios of the aforementioned in TDs gotten versus TDs given up.

 

[nitlion6]

Not giving up a takedown to an Iowa wrestler is by Iowa wrestling fan one definition of stalling.

 

[diggerpup]

Someone correct me & my math, but when Burroughs won 165 & the Hodge, wasn't his takedown ratio for the year something like 130-0 ?

Also, wasn't Zain reversed or countered already this year ? It was just a blip in a match - Zain was overly aggressive on top during a ride and was reversed.

 

[diggerpup]

+100000000000000000000

I was actually thinking this reading the thread earlier today. Give me Jason Nolf at work any day over the talented guy happy to dominate and win 6-2.

Point taken, but Zain isnt going into a stall ride & winning matches 6-2.

 

[GOLDBANGER]

The only reason Retherford, Nolf and Nickal pin people is so they can stall for longer periods of time on the bench. These guys stall even more than Megaludis did.

 

[NoVa Lion]

The only reason Retherford, Nolf and Nickal pin people is so they can stall for longer periods of time on the bench. These guys stall even more than Megaludis did.

ROTFLMAO. Good one Goldbanger. Good thing I wasn't drinking something at the time I read this.

 

[RoarLions1]

Why is giving up takedowns a bad thing? In Coach's world, he talks about it (in the context of aggressiveness and scoring often) as a good thing. The fear of giving up a takedown is what causes wrestlers to go into defensive mode. Not at all what's being taught.

True, but I'd bet he'd be OK with a guy going undefeated with bonus in every match and no takedowns against.

Ok guys, please allow me to clarify. Only added El-Jefe's post because it makes my point.

Don't think of Nolf, Retherford, or Nickal, even Suriano (though he's just getting started) when you read my post above. Think BIG PICTURE, and what the coaches are telling every wrestler in the room, every day, every week, for 4 or 5 years. If you were there, you'd hear; "wrestle to score", "don't be afraid to make a mistake", wrestle to the buzzer", even "have fun", "be grateful". The coaches are creating a culture, or atmosphere, that is pervasive.
Our top guys get it, and are so good (dominant [or is it "dominate" ]) that they score points without giving up many, if any, takedowns.

 

[RoarLions1]

Removing unrostered or D2 and D3 opponents, here's the majority of those at 4.00 or above, all teams, in order. Big penalty (math) for losing a bout, so this list will get much shorter as the season progresses.

149 Retherford 5.89
184 Nickal 5.75
157 Nolf 5.67
184 Dean 5.63
285 Snyder 5.50
125 Gilman 5.25
125 Rodriguez 5.00
184 Dudley 4.75
184 Brooks 4.67
165 Martinez 4.60
174 Epperly 4.60
174 Jordan 4.50
149 Jordan 4.47
165 Massa 4.21
125 Piccininni 4.20
184 Boyd 4.20
285 Nevills 4.14
285 Medberry 4.11
174 Valencia 4.08
197 Cox 4.00
133 Richards 4.00
141 McKenna 4.00

 

[KidNittany]

I only have data for last season's duals.

In duals last season:
- Nico had 72 TDs, and only gave up 1
- Zain had 47 TDs, and only gave up 1
- Nickal had 54 TDs, and only gave up 1
- McIntosh had 48 TDs, and only gave up 2
- Nolf had 92 TDs, and only gave up 3

Roar has a good point about giving up TDs not necessarily being a bad thing, but I do like the ratios of the aforementioned in TDs gotten versus TDs given up.

Ruth had one year where he didn't give one up, I think Junior?

 

[Tom McAndrew]

Ruth had one year where he didn't give one up, I think Junior?

Hmm, I'm not aware that he didn't give up a TD one season.

He didn't accomplish that his junior year. He gave up 4 TDs in duals that season (perhaps more if the NLO, Scuffle, B1G Tourney, and NCAAs are included), including 2 in his first match of the year, against Lehigh's Robert Hamlin.

 

[andegre]

Using the NCAA's math...here's a look at PSU's top-6, basically our undefeated's. I believe this to be one of those "internal team competition" metrics used by the coaching staff.

Wt Name Score
149 Retherford 5.89
184 Nickal 5.75
157 Nolf 5.67
285 Nevills 4.14
125 Suriano 3.78
197 McCutcheon 3.63

I will occasionally, throughout the season, post updates, which will include the top guys from other teams too. It's early, so don't read too much into the stats. We have a tournament coming up (Reno) that is far more challenging than the Keystone Classic, though not as tough as the Scuffle, followed by Big ten Conference Duals. More to come!!

Still, what the guys have accomplished is commendable, and just what the coaches teach.

Hey Roar, I got your stats rankings page put in place, looks like our calculations are exactly the same. Though my page IS including non-division I matches (though PSU doesn't have any/many). I believe NCAA leaves them out, so I'll probably need to tweak my page.

http://www.wrestlestat.com/rankings/statistical

 

[RoarLions1]

In response to the posts about Ed Ruth's dual meet career, and giving up takedowns;

ER's DUAL MEET ONLY -- Takedowns given up;

FR -- 6
SO -- 0
JR -- 4
SR -- 0

 

[OkieSpladle]

Not exactly confirmation but Alex Steen thinks starters are going

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Just to update, Oklahoma State was still expecting to send a "handful of starters" late last week, but it is entirely possible plans have changed. As of now, the Reno tournament director doesn't know who they'll enter and it is anyone's guess. I'll be previewing both the HS and College divisions this week. When I get confirmation of who is entered I will share that information.

 

[Sean Harp]

I have no info. Only what I read from an Okie st poster. I basically threw a fit on themat about PSU's schedule. I will spare all of you.

Aw c'mon, Tarta de Limon. Let 'er rip, Tater Chip!!

 

[1stplacehawk]

Zain gave up a td to Lugo at NCAAs as well

 

[RoarLions1]

Just to update, Oklahoma State was still expecting to send a "handful of starters" late last week, but it is entirely possible plans have changed. As of now, the Reno tournament director doesn't know who they'll enter and it is anyone's guess. I'll be previewing both the HS and College divisions this week. When I get confirmation of who is entered I will share that information.

THANKS!!