East tie-break scenario

[PSU_1991]

Below is a link to the tie-break scenario for the East. If I’m reading this correctly, if OSU beats MSU but loses to UM, we would be in the championship game. OSU, MSU, UM, and PSU would all have 2 conference losses. OSU and MSU would be out because they would have 3 overall losses. Our head-to-head against UM would put us in.

http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-footbl/archive/081011aaa.html

 

[PSUFBFAN]

Nope. Ohio State loss out of division yesterday gives it to them because PSU and Michigan both lost 2 games in division. OSU goes on tiebreaker #2.

OSU goes, but you are both wrong on your reasoning. The following assumes OSU beats MSU and UM beats OSU (and everyone wins out all other games):

(b) If three or more teams are tied, steps 1 through 8 will be followed until a determination is made. If only two teams remain tied after any step (or sub-step), the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative. If three or more teams remain tied after any step, move to next step in tiebreaker with remaining tied teams.

1. The records of the three tied teams will be compared against each other.

All 4 teams finish conference play at 7-2:

OSU is 2-1 against PSU, MSU, and UM
MSU is 2-1 against UM, PSU, and OSU
UM is is 1-2 against MSU, PSU and OSU
PSU is 1-2 against UM, MSU, and OSU

UM and PSU are eliminated under
1. The records of the three tied teams will be compared against each other.

OSU and MSU are then compared and since OSU would have beat MSU head to head, they are the winner of the division.

 

[wrm125]

OSU goes, but you are both wrong on your reasoning. The following assumes OSU beats MSU and UM beats OSU (and everyone wins out all other games):

(b) If three or more teams are tied, steps 1 through 8 will be followed until a determination is made. If only two teams remain tied after any step (or sub-step), the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative. If three or more teams remain tied after any step, move to next step in tiebreaker with remaining tied teams.

1. The records of the three tied teams will be compared against each other.

All 4 teams finish conference play at 7-2:

OSU is 2-1 against PSU, MSU, and UM
MSU is 2-1 against UM, PSU, and OSU
UM is is 1-2 against MSU, PSU and OSU
PSU is 1-2 against UM, MSU, and OSU

UM and PSU are eliminated under
1. The records of the three tied teams will be compared against each other.

OSU and MSU are then compared and since OSU would have beat MSU head to head, they are the winner of the division.

Not that I’m hopeful today about going to the championship, but it depends whether that tie breaker criterion is referring to “overall” or “head to head” records against each other — if it’s overall and the above scenario does play out then it’d be PSU from the east, I’m pretty sure anyway.

 

[PSU_1991]

OSU goes, but you are both wrong on your reasoning. The following assumes OSU beats MSU and UM beats OSU (and everyone wins out all other games):

(b) If three or more teams are tied, steps 1 through 8 will be followed until a determination is made. If only two teams remain tied after any step (or sub-step), the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative. If three or more teams remain tied after any step, move to next step in tiebreaker with remaining tied teams.

1. The records of the three tied teams will be compared against each other.

All 4 teams finish conference play at 7-2:

OSU is 2-1 against PSU, MSU, and UM
MSU is 2-1 against UM, PSU, and OSU
UM is is 1-2 against MSU, PSU and OSU
PSU is 1-2 against UM, MSU, and OSU

UM and PSU are eliminated under
1. The records of the three tied teams will be compared against each other.

OSU and MSU are then compared and since OSU would have beat MSU head to head, they are the winner of the division.

#1 - the record of all 3 teams will be compared to one another. That has to mean overall record. The reason there’s a tie is because cibference records are the same.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

#1 - the record of all 3 teams will be compared to one another. That has to mean overall record. The reason there’s a tie is because cibference records are the same.

Exactly. #2 deals with conference record (or that’s how I interpret it).

2. The records of the three tied teams will be compared within their division.

 

[psuro]

So....you are saying there is a chance?

 

[PSU_1991]

Yes, we don’t have to go to #2 because, if I’m reading correct, after #1 only UM and PSU remain. Next step is to compare head to head.

 

[PSUFBFAN]

#1 - the record of all 3 teams will be compared to one another. That has to mean overall record. The reason there’s a tie is because cibference records are the same.

I agree this definition can be interpreted in two different methods. Your interpretation is the first method definition of "overall" which is pretty simple - 10-2 or 9-3?

However, it is my opinion that my interpretation would be the one used because it makes the most sense when comparing how each of the tied teams did against one another and takes out all the subjectivity of non-conference and inter-division competition into consideration.

When you think of the tremendous potential disparity in those two scheduling issues, one team could receive a tremendous advantage or disadvantage if they played and lost to Alabama for example, while the other team was playing William and Mary. Or, if one team played (and lost) to the #1 team across the division and the other tied team got to play (and beat) the #6 team in the other division. So, my interpretation gets the deciding issues back to most closely resembling a head to head result which should always be the first tie-breaker. I don't believe the tie breaker will get beyond b-1 in the above scenario (all four teams finishing 7-2 in the conference) and thus, OSU would prevail as I outlined.

Then again, this is the Big 10, so who the hell knows what they were thinking when they made the rules.

 

[SpartanJD]

The only way for PSU to get to Indy would be if MSU and OSU both have 3 conference losses. That means the winner of the OSU/MSU game would have to lose their next two to end the year and the loser would have to lose 1 of last 2.

So pretty much MSU would have to lose to Rutgers and Maryland if they win and OSU would have to lose to Illinois if they win.

0% of that happening.

 

[blion72]

The only way for PSU to get to Indy would be if MSU and OSU both have 3 conference losses. That means the winner of the OSU/MSU game would have to lose their next two to end the year and the loser would have to lose 1 of last 2.

So pretty much MSU would have to lose to Rutgers and Maryland if they win and OSU would have to lose to Illinois if they win.

0% of that happening.

this also depends on us winning the next 3 games. that is by no means a lock. this team is in serious trouble. the loss of Bates and Bucholtz has changed both sides of the ball. not the same team now.

every game is going to be ugly fights. all 3 of them need to beat us to get to a bowl game.

 

[SpartanJD]

this also depends on us winning the next 3 games. that is by no means a lock. this team is in serious trouble. the loss of Bates and Bucholtz has changed both sides of the ball. not the same team now.

every game is going to be ugly fights. all 3 of them need to beat us to get to a bowl game.

Yeah—those teams will be playing inspired ball and PSU has to be deflated. Still though you should run roughshod over them.