Explain how greatly reduced income will affect college sports.
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There will only be one change...reduced non-revenue sports.
Any changes to revenue sports will be marginal and on the fringes
Any changes to revenue sports will be marginal and on the fringes
Well Administration surely isn't going to go back and renegotiate smaller salary.
Sandy will need a new Assistant AD to figure it out
They'll like want more money and claim things would have been worse if it wasn't for their incredible decision making.
Im not sure how much this year would affect PSU who is better off than many other universities. I would assume the tennis, golf, and swimming programs would be high on the drop list.
Best guess would be to see which of those programs has the most overhead or needs the most $$$ for a facility upgrade. They would likely be the first to go, given that the 5 year plan for renovations appears to have been stalled so far.
Best guess would be to see which of those programs has the most overhead or needs the most $$$ for a facility upgrade. They would likely be the first to go, given that the 5 year plan for renovations appears to have been stalled so far.
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Seems like a good time to start selling alcohol in the stadium. 
The question is legit assuming the college football season is cancelled. Can schools like LSU, Alabama and Clemson continue to subsidies a significant portion of their non-revenue sports and continue to pay six and seven figure salaries in their Athletic Departments?
take away a good chunk of basketball money and potentially slashed football money and even the most financially sound of schools will have difficult decisions to make.
Remember even OSU was operating in the red BEFORE covid.
Remember even OSU was operating in the red BEFORE covid.
Seems like a good time to start selling alcohol in the stadium.
Why just IN the stadium.....?
Seems like a good time to evaluate the purpose of colleges and universities - maybe it something other than sports?
And their entire athletic budget is less than the salary of some football coaches.
Schools like LSU, Alabama, and Clemson have less of a problem than schools like PSU, Ohio State, and Michigan.....at least ten fewer non-revenue sports less.
Entirely different philosophies. First, the percentage of students at those schools that participate in varsity sports is high. Number often cited is about 40%. They treat the budget for varsity sports as they do any other recreational activity on campus.
Second, they have the financial wherewithal to do it. Amherst and Williams have endowments of between $2.5-3.0bn. Not quite the amount of PSU, but vastly larger on a per capita basis, and (vastly) larger in the absolute than places like Florida, Maryland. Alabama, LSU, and Clemson.
I think there are major changes afoot, and this was before the Covid-19 idiocy and panic gripped the world. For a lot of smaller schools, I would imagine the cuts will be heavy. Essentially, everything to the point where they need seats for compliance. For the Big Ten, the changes will be with the high-cost, low-revenue ratio spots. They will be the first cut. We are already seeing it in smaller conference. For Penn State, the chopping block likely begins with swimming and gymnastics. Both of which are need of new facilities which skews the ratio heavily. Very high cost, very low revenue.
I also see a reduction from the 85 scholarship cap to something a little more manageable, especially since Ohio State proved you can be competitive nationally with 65 or fewer players.
Just in terms of Penn St, it will be interesting. The sports facility upgrade plan which reportedly is not doing well with fundraising gives some insight.
Does PSU really spend millions for a new natatorium for swimming and diving teams that lose revenue? Do they build an indoor tennis center when they just updated the outdoor tennis center not long ago for another team that loses money?
In terms of volleyball and gymnastics, they are likely safe given Rec Hall and title 9 balancing issues although I wouldn’t be surprised to see things like volleyball trips to Hawaii ended.
Golf, fencing, soccer, softball, field hockey, and lacrosse could go either way depending on the budget hit.
As for baseball, I would think they’d be safe simply because the university has to find someone to use Medlar Field if the Spikes are history.
Does PSU really spend millions for a new natatorium for swimming and diving teams that lose revenue? Do they build an indoor tennis center when they just updated the outdoor tennis center not long ago for another team that loses money?
In terms of volleyball and gymnastics, they are likely safe given Rec Hall and title 9 balancing issues although I wouldn’t be surprised to see things like volleyball trips to Hawaii ended.
Golf, fencing, soccer, softball, field hockey, and lacrosse could go either way depending on the budget hit.
As for baseball, I would think they’d be safe simply because the university has to find someone to use Medlar Field if the Spikes are history.
You touch on an interesting point. While I think fencing is safe, other not so much. For many low revenue sports, travel is the biggest line item number. Field hockey should be fine as they bus just about everywhere. Same for LAX. Both are fairly regional sports. The other though...
Almost a dead certainty from the design specs that someone was contemplating the new natatorium as a site for national an international meets. Snowball's chance of that happening. Marginally better chance of hosting an NCAA championship, but the frequency wouldn't generate sufficient revenue to offset the cost.
Different story if they raise all or most of the money from contributions. Believe I saw an estimate (maybe Barry was the source) of $80mm+. That is an outrageous number.
A new Natatorium is dead in the water. The entire athletic department's facilities plans are based on donations. They can't fund what they want to do for football much less anything else.
Personally (and I know a lot of people with the same view including many former athletes) I will not donate to the University with two exceptions. Thon and the fund I helped establish for a specific department's undergrads. That is it.
Wonder how much money was pissed away to have Populous draw up the Master Plan. Over/under the amount Sandy sent to Morgan Stanley for the abortive plan to fund the projects at Cal?
Check your Math.
1,500,000M = 1,500,000,000 that is 1.5 billion My BAD!
It is 1,500,000,000,000 which is 1.5 trillion.
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Is that a typo, or did you mean $1.5bn? My question was about the cost of having Populous draw up the conceptual specs presented in 2017.
Totally was a typo. Meant 1.5 million. That is what I get for using a (so-called) smart phone. Bone headed move on my part.
No problem.
Thinking that they got away cheap if the bill was only $1.5mil. On the other hand, Populous didn't do much when it came to Beaver Stadium and a basketball arena, which is where the rubber hits the road.
I have been advocating for a football minor league for several years. I post this opinion here and rarely get a response. There are so many players who have a shot at the NFL but don't have a shot for a meaningful college degree. They don't need to pretend to be college students. When these athletes have an alternative it opens up spots on college teams for real scholar athletes.
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