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Anybody else's HBO max down?

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My gf pulled it up on her phone and cast it to our TV to watch the episode. Tried turning it back on and the app is still down. Twitter was burning up, #hbomaxdown was trending.
 
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Anybody else's HBO max down?

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Update:

My gf pulled it up on her phone and cast it to our TV to watch the episode. Tried turning it back on and the app is still down. Twitter was burning up, #hbomaxdown was trending.

Yeah, my brother was texting me frantic that he couldn't get on. Seems like it worked itself out about 10 minutes later...

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Okay, so I loved this show and all the mystery/suspense it built throughout. Also loved how unapologetically PA it was (you need a friend who will bring you a basket of hoagies, cheesesteaks, and beer when you're not feeling well). I think everyone was really good (Winslet and Nicholson were exceptional) and I think they pretty much stuck the landing with the ending. That said, the one fairly big plot hole I see is this - Ryan Ross said he went to the old man's house the night of the murder, got the old man's gun, used it to kill Erin, and then returned it some hours later. The old man said his gun had 'been missing' for a while and it suddenly returned with two bullets missing. So, this old man's gun is only missing for a few hours but he checks on it enough to know that it is missing in a fairly short window (and at night/early morning no less)? And this is an old man who appears to be struggling mentally after the death of his wife. Just seems really, really convenient, but not sure how else they could deliver Mare that final clue....


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The Ross brothers were supposedly fishing in the Lehigh River. The river flows south from north of Jim Thorpe, Lehighton and Palmerton before turning east through the very urban Lehigh Valley. So the secluded spot where they were fishing had to be at least two hours from Delco. Yet Kate Winslet's character hopped in a car and drove straight to the spot where the brothers were fishing.
What also didn't make sense was Winslet's daughter driving by herself to California to start college. (Are first-year students allowed to even have cars?)
Good series, though. Reminds me how much I miss Wawa since moving to North Carolina.
 
So, this old man's gun is only missing for a few hours but he checks on it enough to know that it is missing in a fairly short window (and at night/early morning no less)?

They tried to explain it with the "he heard a noise" thing, but who keeps their retirement gun in their outdoor shed? Also, his "oh it's gone, oh it's back" explanation was a little dull for a former officer. The heart to heart where this came about was just a little too convenient.

They really wanted to "stick the landing" so to speak and they wanted it to be a real shocker. Based upon the post show interviews, the cast didn't even know who the killer was. Too much time was spent with Dylan and Erin's friend chasing the journals down if he didn't kill her, on top of he's not even interested in the truth. Throw in the money return scene, again, strange.

Good show, will probably watch again.
 
I believe it was the episode with the basketball game, it was either a hotel room number or a house address was 409. Coincidence??
 
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Yeah, my brother was texting me frantic that he couldn't get on. Seems like it worked itself out about 10 minutes later...

***SPOILERS***

PLEASE DO NOT READ IF YOU DO NOT WANT THE SEASON FINALE SPOILED.

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Okay, so I loved this show and all the mystery/suspense it built throughout. Also loved how unapologetically PA it was (you need a friend who will bring you a basket of hoagies, cheesesteaks, and beer when you're not feeling well). I think everyone was really good (Winslet and Nicholson were exceptional) and I think they pretty much stuck the landing with the ending. That said, the one fairly big plot hole I see is this - Ryan Ross said he went to the old man's house the night of the murder, got the old man's gun, used it to kill Erin, and then returned it some hours later. The old man said his gun had 'been missing' for a while and it suddenly returned with two bullets missing. So, this old man's gun is only missing for a few hours but he checks on it enough to know that it is missing in a fairly short window (and at night/early morning no less)? And this is an old man who appears to be struggling mentally after the death of his wife. Just seems really, really convenient, but not sure how else they could deliver Mare that final clue....


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Yeah you nailed it. Show was very well done, all kinds of twists and turns. Gun in the shed thing a definite flaw though.
 
Yeah, my brother was texting me frantic that he couldn't get on. Seems like it worked itself out about 10 minutes later...

***SPOILERS***

PLEASE DO NOT READ IF YOU DO NOT WANT THE SEASON FINALE SPOILED.

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..

.

Okay, so I loved this show and all the mystery/suspense it built throughout. Also loved how unapologetically PA it was (you need a friend who will bring you a basket of hoagies, cheesesteaks, and beer when you're not feeling well). I think everyone was really good (Winslet and Nicholson were exceptional) and I think they pretty much stuck the landing with the ending. That said, the one fairly big plot hole I see is this - Ryan Ross said he went to the old man's house the night of the murder, got the old man's gun, used it to kill Erin, and then returned it some hours later. The old man said his gun had 'been missing' for a while and it suddenly returned with two bullets missing. So, this old man's gun is only missing for a few hours but he checks on it enough to know that it is missing in a fairly short window (and at night/early morning no less)? And this is an old man who appears to be struggling mentally after the death of his wife. Just seems really, really convenient, but not sure how else they could deliver Mare that final clue....


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Got to love a gal diving into a cheese steak Hoagie, Btw, are Wawa hoagies any good as compared to your Italian shop hoagie.
 
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Got to love a gal diving into a cheese steak Hoagie, Btw, are Wawa hoagies any good as compared to your Italian shop hoagie.
No they are not as good. Very average meats and cheeses, and while the rolls are pretty good, they don’t compare to rolls from the best hoagie shops in Delco. La Spadas, Leo’s, and Delcos Best are my top three in Delco.
 
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I thought there would be 1 last twist where the mom would've done it or taken the fall for her kid. She wouldn't have care about the incestuous bastard little boy. Although the down syndrome little girl would've been stranded too
 
That said, the one fairly big plot hole I see is this - Ryan Ross said he went to the old man's house the night of the murder, got the old man's gun, used it to kill Erin, and then returned it some hours later. The old man said his gun had 'been missing' for a while and it suddenly returned with two bullets missing. So, this old man's gun is only missing for a few hours but he checks on it enough to know that it is missing in a fairly short window (and at night/early morning no less)? And this is an old man who appears to be struggling mentally after the death of his wife. Just seems really, really convenient, but not sure how else they could deliver Mare that final clue....

My wife was out-of-town this weekend, and we'd been watching the show together, so I put off watching the finale until this evening.

At the end of the finale, we both started commenting about the inconsistency of the gun in the shed being missing for some time, and then suddenly returning versus Ryan returning it just a few hours after stealing it.

I'll hold off on giving other thoughts about the series until I've had a day or two to ruminate about it.
 
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My wife was out-of-town this weekend, and we'd been watching the show tighter, so I put off watching the finale until this evening.

At the end of the finale, we both started commenting about the inconsistency of the gun in the shed being missing for some time, and then suddenly returning versus Ryan returning it just a few hours after stealing it.

I'll hold off on giving other thoughts about the series until I've had a day or two to ruminate about it.
Watching the show tighter? :p


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My wife was out-of-town this weekend, and we'd been watching the show tighter, so I put off watching the finale until this evening.

At the end of the finale, we both started commenting about the inconsistency of the gun in the shed being missing for some time, and then suddenly returning versus Ryan returning it just a few hours after stealing it.

I'll hold off on giving other thoughts about the series until I've had a day or two to ruminate about it.

I said the same thing about the gun to my GF when we finished watching the finale. The show was fantastic but that didn't make a whole lot of sense unless you assume that when he said he took it back he meant a days or weeks later instead of immediately. Otherwise the gun was gone for a very short amount of time, in the middle of the night.

They did seem to weave some unnecessary things into the show. I thought for sure that Richard (Guy Pierce) was the killer. Why else did they introduce the character and why such a well known actor? It turns out it was just to go on a date with and have sex with Mare one time. And why did they have Detective Zabel crush on Mare? That was a little strange to me.

As a whole it's a fantastic show and I loved it.
 
I said the same thing about the gun to my GF when we finished watching the finale. The show was fantastic but that didn't make a whole lot of sense unless you assume that when he said he took it back he meant a days or weeks later instead of immediately. Otherwise the gun was gone for a very short amount of time, in the middle of the night.

They did seem to weave some unnecessary things into the show. I thought for sure that Richard (Guy Pierce) was the killer. Why else did they introduce the character and why such a well known actor? It turns out it was just to go on a date with and have sex with Mare one time. And why did they have Detective Zabel crush on Mare? That was a little strange to me.

As a whole it's a fantastic show and I loved it.

Yeah, it’s really picking nits - I loved the show and haven’t been this wrapped up in a finale since True Detective S1. Guy Pierce wasn’t the original choice for the role, but once Covid hit he was in the area and available so he replaced the original actor.

The Zabel stuff I think was to give his character more depth - he’s sort of a fraud hero detective and at one point his mom says to him ‘Be careful!’ and he responds ‘Look where being careful got me...’ (gesturing around to indicate he’s still living at home and single). Him going after Mare I think was to show his growing confidence (and to make us feel worse after he’s killed) and honestly who can blame him?
 
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Not sure why people think that an elderly man who might have some signs of dementia would be checking for his gun hourly. It's quite possible that he noticed it was missing and then assumed it was gone. He happened to check on it again some time later either due to some forgetfulness or just happened to be in that drawer for a reason and found it again. I didn't view that as any significant plot hole.
 
Yeah, it’s really picking nits - I loved the show and haven’t been this wrapped up in a finale since True Detective S1. Guy Pierce wasn’t the original choice for the role, but once Covid hit he was in the area and available so he replaced the original actor.

The Zabel stuff I think was to give his character more depth - he’s sort of a fraud hero detective and at one point his mom says to him ‘Be careful!’ and he responds ‘Look where being carful got me...’ (gesturing around to indicate he’s still living at home and single). Him going after Mare I think was to show his growing confidence (and to make us feel worse after he’s killed) and honestly who can blame him?

Agreed. No show is 100% absolutely perfect but I think this show is about as close as it gets. Murder mystery shows are always great and this was really gritty and down to Earth. It was just really well done. Part of that was the absolute knockout casting they did.
 
As to the gun, I thought he said he heard a sound (Ryan getting into the shed and taking the gun) so he went out, to the shed for the gun for protection and it wasn't there. Then a few days later, when he went back to the shed it was there..
 
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As to the gun, I thought he said he heard a sound (Ryan getting into the shed and taking the gun) so he went out, to the shed for the gun for protection and it wasn't there. Then a few days later, when he went back to the shed it was there..

Then there was the whole security camera footage.

First scene, it is hooked up, but doesn't seem to be recording.

Later, he apparently got it going, but doesn't think to check it (Mare does over the graffiti, which she then promptly deletes a file of some random neighbor kid doing the graffiti).

Then, finally, when he calls Mare over and she starts scrolling back and discovers Ryan on it.

Additionally, shouldn't this have been the same day of the murder? (Frank's engagement party, Mare's basketball anniversary) I'm not saying it's out of the realm that he instantly fixed it, but when Mare scrolled back there were additional files before the one she discovered Ryan in (there was nothing there the first time she looked).

They did seem to weave some unnecessary things into the show. I thought for sure that Richard (Guy Pierce) was the killer. Why else did they introduce the character and why such a well known actor? It turns out it was just to go on a date with and have sex with Mare one time. And why did they have Detective Zabel crush on Mare? That was a little strange to me.

Richard was fine. He provided the bf character that fleshed Mare out more and give the hint of "could he be the killer?"

Some of the things they did with Dylan didn't make sense, to me, other than "let's make him seem guilty with none of it making much sense". Why did he leave in the middle of the night? Why was he, his friend, and Erin's friend so hellbent on getting the journals? If he didn't kill her and had no suspicion about the fatherhood, why get the journals and burn them without reading? Why let the friend sit in a window sill reading them when you already agreed to not read them?

Did I miss something here or did they cut a scene explaining the motivation? Or was this just about pushing the "Dylan is guilty" idea?

Also, they gave us the scene where John told his wife Billy had killed Erin. Then later when she explains it, he actually told her that their son had done it. What changed? Another scene that conveniently leads the audience to the wrong guess, but it was a present moment shot; not somebody recounting a situation (that would have worked better in the scheme of covering up for Ryan).

I really need to watch the show again.
 
Not sure why people think that an elderly man who might have some signs of dementia would be checking for his gun hourly. It's quite possible that he noticed it was missing and then assumed it was gone. He happened to check on it again some time later either due to some forgetfulness or just happened to be in that drawer for a reason and found it again. I didn't view that as any significant plot hole.

I think your right, the gun was returned the same night, but his dementia had him thinking he saw the gun was missing over a time lapse.
 
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Also, they gave us the scene where John told his wife Billy had killed Erin. Then later when she explains it, he actually told her that their son had done it. What changed? Another scene that conveniently leads the audience to the wrong guess, but it was a present moment shot; not somebody recounting a situation (that would have worked better in the scheme of covering up for Ryan).

I really need to watch the show again.
Just going on (admittedly hazy) memory here but, in that scene with John and Lor, I don't think Billy is specifically mentioned. It's more things like "he" did it and we need to lie to save the family. Previous scenes had set up Billy as having done the deed but I think it was filmed to make the viewer erroneously fill in the blanks.
 
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Not sure why people think that an elderly man who might have some signs of dementia would be checking for his gun hourly. It's quite possible that he noticed it was missing and then assumed it was gone. He happened to check on it again some time later either due to some forgetfulness or just happened to be in that drawer for a reason and found it again. I didn't view that as any significant plot hole.

Okay, less a plot hole and more a convenient 'deus ex machina' of sorts (noting Mare was already suspicious about John - his vague answers to her questions, the woman he thought he was cheating with defiantly stating they haven't been together in five years, and of course, the words from Det. Zabel floating around in the back of her head - keep working the case until you finish it). It makes more sense that he noticed the gun missing after hearing a noise, but that he just happened to check on it later is curious and a bit convenient (noting that sometimes this kind of luck is needed in cases like this).
Then there was the whole security camera footage.

First scene, it is hooked up, but doesn't seem to be recording.

Later, he apparently got it going, but doesn't think to check it (Mare does over the graffiti, which she then promptly deletes a file of some random neighbor kid doing the graffiti).

Then, finally, when he calls Mare over and she starts scrolling back and discovers Ryan on it.

Additionally, shouldn't this have been the same day of the murder? (Frank's engagement party, Mare's basketball anniversary) I'm not saying it's out of the realm that he instantly fixed it, but when Mare scrolled back there were additional files before the one she discovered Ryan in (there was nothing there the first time she looked).



Richard was fine. He provided the bf character that fleshed Mare out more and give the hint of "could he be the killer?"

Some of the things they did with Dylan didn't make sense, to me, other than "let's make him seem guilty with none of it making much sense". Why did he leave in the middle of the night? Why was he, his friend, and Erin's friend so hellbent on getting the journals? If he didn't kill her and had no suspicion about the fatherhood, why get the journals and burn them without reading? Why let the friend sit in a window sill reading them when you already agreed to not read them?

Did I miss something here or did they cut a scene explaining the motivation? Or was this just about pushing the "Dylan is guilty" idea?

Also, they gave us the scene where John told his wife Billy had killed Erin. Then later when she explains it, he actually told her that their son had done it. What changed? Another scene that conveniently leads the audience to the wrong guess, but it was a present moment shot; not somebody recounting a situation (that would have worked better in the scheme of covering up for Ryan).

I really need to watch the show again.

I think the explanation for Dylan's quest to get the journals and destroy them was that in case there was evidence of who DJ's father actually was, he could destroy it so DJ could be adopted and cared for by his parents (which was what he wanted). As for the friend reading the journal, I think the gist was even if they knew what was in them, they weren't supposed to tell anyone. Not a lot of explanation for his disappearance the night of the murder but seems like he was telling the truth - he went for fresh air, drove around, etc. He was a d*ck but still a young dad and struggling to figure things out.
 
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The Richard story was kind of pointless. Not enough to have an impact. Maybe if they had Mare sleeping with random people as a way to medicate herself mourning her son.

The Dylan story in my mind was the crime drama, "you need as many suspects as possible."

John had said in one scene that he and Billy worked it out I believe. The plan was for "loser" Billy to go to jail so that Ryan, Moira, John and Lori could live happily ever after.

Good show. I would/will recommend if asked.
 
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The possibility of a second season was the first thing my daughter addressed when we asked what she thought of the ending.

She commented that there were enough loose ends to make it tasty for a second season/sequel.

Personally, I prefer to just enjoy the questions or loose ends.

Unless the story already has more written than what they told, end it here. I can't even think of a single show that, after it's success, had a good second season where it was primarily created based off the original season's success. The vibe and quality is never the same.
 
Unless the story already has more written than what they told, end it here. I can't even think of a single show that, after it's success, had a good second season where it was primarily created based off the original season's success. The vibe and quality is never the same.

Could argue Breaking Bad’s second act was pretty good. That show was basically ended with Frang’s death but that was right around the time it caught fire - so, they continued it for a couple more seaons. It really feels like two shows as a result.
 
Per 6abc news:

PHILADELPHIA -- For all the love Wawa has gotten thanks to the HBO hit TV show "Mare of Easttown," the popular Pennsylvania convenience store chain is giving a little back.

To celebrate its newest store opening in Delaware County - where the Kate Winslet-led crime drama is set - Wawa is dedicating Thursday as "Mare of Easttown Day," an homage to the show that introduced the world to the coffee and hoagies Pennsylvanians have loved for years.

Customers of the relocated Upper Darby store will get to enjoy that coffee Thursday free of charge, and the first 100 customers will get a "Wawa Delco" t-shirt.

British actress Winslet plays Mare Sheehan, a detective sergeant in Easttown - a fictional town just outside of Philadelphia - who is investigating the murder of a teen mother while looking into the disappearance of another young girl. As Mare, the Oscar winner eats hoagies and drinks Wawa coffee, all in the perfect patois of Philadelphia and its suburbs. Winslet said she worked on the accent every day to get it just right.

"Mare of Easttown" was written and created by a Berwyn native and Villanova University graduate.
"Mare of Easttown" was written and created by a Berwyn native and Villanova University graduate.

To turn into Mare, Winslet worked alongside Chester County Detective Christine Bleiler, who also served as a police technical adviser on the drama. Bleiler will be at the Wawa store Thursday ordering the very first "Mare of Easttown Spicy Cheesesteak," a limited edition sandwich that will be sold throughout dozens of Wawas in Delaware County.

It's a nod to how spicy the show is, Wawa said in a statement.

Local police and fire officials will also be honored at the event and Wawa will donate money each to the charities of their choice, as well as $10,000 to the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.

Wawa said they wanted to "celebrate the authenticity of the show as it depicts the culture and resilience of a community that stands by one another during good times and bad, and shines a light on everyday heroes who go to great lengths to serve their community."

While Wawa is inextricably tied to Pennsylvania, the chain also has locations in New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, Florida and Washington, D.C.
 
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