FC/OT: Carheads and film fans: FORD v FERRARI!

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Really excited about this film from James Mangold (Logan, 3:10 to Yuma) though I have some reservations about Damon as Carroll Shelby (his attempt at what appears to be a Southern accent is cringeworthy) but Bale is rock solid in everything. Add Jon Bernthal as Lee Iacocca and should make for a lot of fun.

Academy Award-winners Matt Damon and Christian Bale star in FORD v FERRARI, based on the remarkable true story of the visionary American car designer Carroll Shelby (Damon) and the fearless British-born driver Ken Miles (Bale), who together battled corporate interference, the laws of physics, and their own personal demons to build a revolutionary race car for Ford Motor Company and take on the dominating race cars of Enzo Ferrari at the 24 Hours of Le Mans in France in 1966. In Theaters November 15

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Ooohhhhh! The GT-40. What a gorgeous car! Carroll Shelby kicked Ferrari’s ass

 

[harbest]

Looks good, I just hope it's not one of those films where the best & only good parts are the previews.

 

[psuro]

I was excited to see Rush when it came out a few years ago, and it was a bit disappointing. One of the few Ron Howard flicks that I did not care for much. Hope this is better. By the way, the term is "Motorhead", or "Petrolhead" (if you are British).

 

[bwifan]

Was a great time of racing... My family member was a factory driver for Carroll Shelby and the Cobra's. Crazy time when thinking how brave those guys were to drive those cars at the limits with little regard to driver safety.

 

[PSU Soupy]

I worked with a tier one supplier on the GT 40 back 15-20 years ago. We brought to the table a new low weight, low pressure plastic substrate material which could be tooled very inexpensively since we only needed low pressure forming, not high tonnage injection molding. We basically made the entire interior out of this material which had great acoustical properties, and was very light. Worked with a lot of the Ford engineerers. To sign an agreement with Ford to work with them after 2-3 weeks of negotiating, I asked for me and my team to get a test drive in the car when finished......Ford agreed and we worked on the Ford GT. Once the car was completed we went out to the test track and me and the 2 other engineers that worked on the vehicle got a test drive.....probably at about 80% of the capacity of the car. The funniest thing about the ride was that the test driver smoked as he was driving around the track. He brought a coffee mug to leave his ashes in his lap.

 

[psuro]

I worked with a tier one supplier on the GT 40 back 15-20 years ago. We brought to the table a new low weight, low pressure plastic substrate material which could be tooled very inexpensively since we only needed low pressure forming, not high tonnage injection molding. We basically made the entire interior out of this material which had great acoustical properties, and was very light. Worked with a lot of the Ford engineerers. To sign an agreement with Ford to work with them after 2-3 weeks of negotiating, I asked for me and my team to get a test drive in the car when finished......Ford agreed and we worked on the Ford GT. Once the car was completed we went out to the test track and me and the 2 other engineers that worked on the vehicle got a test drive.....probably at about 80% of the capacity of the car. The funniest thing about the ride was that the test driver smoked as he was driving around the track. He brought a coffee mug to leave his ashes in his lap.

Right hand drive with the gear lever on the right, so when you got in, you had to step over the shift knob, correct?

 

[PSU Soupy]

PSURO

The gear shift was on the right for the driver.

I rode in the passenger seat and both of us were jammed into the seats. I do not remember anyone having to climb around the shifter.

The highest speed that we saw on the 2 mile drive was about 145 mph. The car had the capability to go to one 180 mph.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

The GT 40 at full throttle sounds like a roaring monster. It’s awesome.

 

[psuro]

PSURO

The gear shift was on the right for the driver.

I rode in the passenger seat and both of us were jammed into the seats. I do not remember anyone having to climb around the shifter.

The highest speed that we saw on the 2 mile drive was about 145 mph. The car had the capability to go to one 180 mph.

Oh - I read your post like you had driven it - THAT would have been a thrill.

 

[PSU Soupy]

Agreed. With a driver still exciting.

Looking forward to the movie.

 

[GreggK]

In my opinion, the Ford GT is really the only true super car a major american carmaker ever made.
One of the top ten cars ever made.

 

[WDLion]

2018 Ford GT

• News
• Tests and Features
• Auto Shows
• Videos

Ford GT specifications
Pricing
Base price $450,000 (estimated)
Fees $0
Gas guzzler tax CA$4,000
Monthly payments CA$8,471/month
Powertrain
Engine V6 3,5 l
Power 647 hp @ 6,250 rpm (482 kW)
Torque 550 lb·ft @ 5,900 rpm (746 N·m)
Induction Turbocharged
Fuel type Premium
Transmission 7-speed automatic
Drivetrain RWD
Details N/A
Vehicle type / Category
Vehicle type Coupe
Category Sports Car over $100,000
Assembly Markham, ON, CA
Generation 2
Fuel efficiency / Autonomy
City 20.6 L/100km
Highway 13.2 L/100km
Combined 17.3 L/100km
Autonomy 335 km
CO₂ emissions 404 g/km

 

[Chickenman Testa]

2018 Ford GT

• News
• Tests and Features
• Auto Shows
• Videos

Ford GT specifications
Pricing
Base price $450,000 (estimated)
Fees $0
Gas guzzler tax CA$4,000
Monthly payments CA$8,471/month
Powertrain
Engine V6 3,5 l
Power 647 hp @ 6,250 rpm (482 kW)
Torque 550 lb·ft @ 5,900 rpm (746 N·m)
Induction Turbocharged
Fuel type Premium
Transmission 7-speed automatic
Drivetrain RWD
Details N/A
Vehicle type / Category
Vehicle type Coupe
Category Sports Car over $100,000
Assembly Markham, ON, CA
Generation 2
Fuel efficiency / Autonomy
City 20.6 L/100km
Highway 13.2 L/100km
Combined 17.3 L/100km
Autonomy 335 km
CO₂ emissions 404 g/km

If I had the cash for that, I’d get it repainted in its original racing colors

 

[loosey goosey]

I read they had to modify the colors because BP owned the rights.

 

[psulongago]

Really excited about this film from James Mangold (Logan, 3:10 to Yuma) though I have some reservations about Damon as Carroll Shelby (his attempt at what appears to be a Southern accent is cringeworthy) but Bale is rock solid in everything. Add Jon Bernthal as Lee Iacocca and should make for a lot of fun.

Academy Award-winners Matt Damon and Christian Bale star in FORD v FERRARI, based on the remarkable true story of the visionary American car designer Carroll Shelby (Damon) and the fearless British-born driver Ken Miles (Bale), who together battled corporate interference, the laws of physics, and their own personal demons to build a revolutionary race car for Ford Motor Company and take on the dominating race cars of Enzo Ferrari at the 24 Hours of Le Mans in France in 1966. In Theaters November 15

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Quick look at the topic with these old eyes thought we were talking about that fabulous movie Ford Fairlane starring none other than the Dice Man and Al Bundy.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

I read they had to modify the colors because BP owned the rights.

Effin BP! Yeah, they look like old Gulf Oil colors

 

[massimoManca II]

I worked with a tier one supplier on the GT 40 back 15-20 years ago. We brought to the table a new low weight, low pressure plastic substrate material which could be tooled very inexpensively since we only needed low pressure forming, not high tonnage injection molding. We basically made the entire interior out of this material which had great acoustical properties, and was very light. Worked with a lot of the Ford engineerers. To sign an agreement with Ford to work with them after 2-3 weeks of negotiating, I asked for me and my team to get a test drive in the car when finished......Ford agreed and we worked on the Ford GT. Once the car was completed we went out to the test track and me and the 2 other engineers that worked on the vehicle got a test drive.....probably at about 80% of the capacity of the car. The funniest thing about the ride was that the test driver smoked as he was driving around the track. He brought a coffee mug to leave his ashes in his lap.

???!!!?? GT40 was last produced around 50yrs ago

 

[PSU Soupy]

???!!!?? GT40 was last produced around 50yrs ago

Not true. Also made 2004-2006.

https://classiccars.com/listings/find/2004-2006/ford/gt

 

[psuro]

Not true. Also made 2004-2006.

That’s a different car called the GT.

 

[PSU Soupy]

That’s a different car called the GT.

You are correct. It was an homage to the GT 40.

 

[massimoManca II]

You are correct. It was an homage to the GT 40.

Except Ford wasn’t smart enough to protect the GT40 name... had to call it merely “GT”... either way it was a totally different car vs the GT40

 

[BillyBert]

This is based on the book "Go Like Hell" by A.J. Baime.
It is a super good read.
Give it a try.

 

[Nitt1300]

In my opinion, the Ford GT is really the only true super car a major american carmaker ever made.
One of the top ten cars ever made.

The Corvette Z06 certainly qualifies, and the new ZR1 is even hotter.

 

[massimoManca II]

The Corvette Z06 certainly qualifies, and the new ZR1 is even hotter.

Nope. Chevy marketing folks can say all sorsta things - but the Z06 is a sports car... a very very capable sports car and a tremendous value ... but no, it’s no supercar. Supercar is a different echelon for hand-made, ultra-rare exotics ...

 

[Nitt1300]

Nope. Chevy marketing folks can say all sorsta things - but the Z06 is a sports car... a very very capable sports car and a tremendous value ... but no, it’s no supercar. Supercar is a different echelon for hand-made, ultra-rare exotics ...

I always thought it was about performance, and I still do.

 

[massimoManca II]

I always thought it was about performance, and I still do.

Well, if some consider Joan Jett a RnRHoF’r ... then a Z06 can be considered, by some, a supercar ...

If you have to argue that a car should be considered a supercar - then I believe it fails the litmus test

The Z06 is a fantastic sportscar that delivers supercar-like performance for a lot less $$$ ... which IMHO makes it better than a supercar ... one can actually enjoy a Z06...

Great sportscars are 1000% more interesting to me than any stupid supercar

 

[bwifan]

Nope. Chevy marketing folks can say all sorsta things - but the Z06 is a sports car... a very very capable sports car and a tremendous value ... but no, it’s no supercar. Supercar is a different echelon for hand-made, ultra-rare exotics ...

I am in the same boat with you.... Enzo Ferrari... Porsche 918 Spyder, etc Supercars.... Corvette Z06 nope, great car in performance and price but not a SuperCar. This comes from a guy whose family member raced for Carroll Shelby in the Ford Cobra's as a hired Ford Factory Driver.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Well, if some consider Joan Jett a RnRHoF’r ... then a Z06 can be considered, by some, a supercar ...

If you have to argue that a car should be considered a supercar - then I believe it fails the litmus test

The Z06 is a fantastic sportscar that delivers supercar-like performance for a lot less $$$ ... which IMHO makes it better than a supercar ... one can actually enjoy a Z06...

Great sportscars are 1000% more interesting to me than any stupid supercar

Okay, but what about the Dodge Viper? Curiously enough Automobile magazine had an article about whether or not the Viper could be considered a 'supercar'....(which I guess disqualifies it). IMO, the relative affordability of a Viper is a mark against it:

After taking a look at the Viper’s immediately recognizable silhouette, which checks off the design category, Bell moves on to see if the Viper has the muscle to match the aggressive appearance. With 645 hp and 600 lb-ft of torque from its monstrous 8.4-liter V-10 engine, the Viper has more than enough gumption to land it squarely in the path of more expensive and exotic metal from other manufacturers, meeting the criteria for the power category.

The Viper is a stand-out in the craftsmanship category as well, as the Viper is hand welded, hand stitched, and hand built. Want your Viper to appear exactly to your specifications? No problem, as there are 25 million different combinations of color, wheels, and interior appearance options available to create your one-of-a-kind car. For lineage, the Viper brings racing credentials spanning back to the 1990’s to the table. Over the course of its lifetime, the Viper has seen three victories in the 24 Hours of the Nurburgring, three 24 Hours of Le Mans, and five-time FIA GT World championship victories.

Finally, Justin takes to the Streets of Willow to put the Viper through its paces. The result? The Viper lives up to its supercar reputation, with a 0-60 time of just 3.3 seconds, on its way to a top speed of 206 mph.

 

[massimoManca II]

Okay, but what about the Dodge Viper? Curiously enough Automobile magazine had an article about whether or not the Viper could be considered a 'supercar'....(which I guess disqualifies it). IMO, the relative affordability of a Viper is a mark against it:

After taking a look at the Viper’s immediately recognizable silhouette, which checks off the design category, Bell moves on to see if the Viper has the muscle to match the aggressive appearance. With 645 hp and 600 lb-ft of torque from its monstrous 8.4-liter V-10 engine, the Viper has more than enough gumption to land it squarely in the path of more expensive and exotic metal from other manufacturers, meeting the criteria for the power category.

The Viper is a stand-out in the craftsmanship category as well, as the Viper is hand welded, hand stitched, and hand built. Want your Viper to appear exactly to your specifications? No problem, as there are 25 million different combinations of color, wheels, and interior appearance options available to create your one-of-a-kind car. For lineage, the Viper brings racing credentials spanning back to the 1990’s to the table. Over the course of its lifetime, the Viper has seen three victories in the 24 Hours of the Nurburgring, three 24 Hours of Le Mans, and five-time FIA GT World championship victories.

Finally, Justin takes to the Streets of Willow to put the Viper through its paces. The result? The Viper lives up to its supercar reputation, with a 0-60 time of just 3.3 seconds, on its way to a top speed of 206 mph.

The Viper would be a more-interesting argument for reasons you cite, alas - if you have to present a case or sell it to me as a supercar - it’s probably not a supercar.... but in the end, IMHO the Viper is a sledgehammer sportscar...

Some probably think of Pam Anderson as a supermodel... she’s not... Viper is to supercars as Pam Anderson is to supermodels

 

[bwifan]

Okay, but what about the Dodge Viper? Curiously enough Automobile magazine had an article about whether or not the Viper could be considered a 'supercar'....(which I guess disqualifies it). IMO, the relative affordability of a Viper is a mark against it:

After taking a look at the Viper’s immediately recognizable silhouette, which checks off the design category, Bell moves on to see if the Viper has the muscle to match the aggressive appearance. With 645 hp and 600 lb-ft of torque from its monstrous 8.4-liter V-10 engine, the Viper has more than enough gumption to land it squarely in the path of more expensive and exotic metal from other manufacturers, meeting the criteria for the power category.

The Viper is a stand-out in the craftsmanship category as well, as the Viper is hand welded, hand stitched, and hand built. Want your Viper to appear exactly to your specifications? No problem, as there are 25 million different combinations of color, wheels, and interior appearance options available to create your one-of-a-kind car. For lineage, the Viper brings racing credentials spanning back to the 1990’s to the table. Over the course of its lifetime, the Viper has seen three victories in the 24 Hours of the Nurburgring, three 24 Hours of Le Mans, and five-time FIA GT World championship victories.

Finally, Justin takes to the Streets of Willow to put the Viper through its paces. The result? The Viper lives up to its supercar reputation, with a 0-60 time of just 3.3 seconds, on its way to a top speed of 206 mph.

For me no it's not. 1 is price... plus I want to see it's handling characteristics. Anyone can build a muscle car that is fast in a straight line. Biggest things for me to qualify as a super car is Performance, Price, Exclusive. Meaning I want a limited run of the car. Not as many as Detroit will pump out. It is an exclusive club owning a Enzo Ferrari or a Porsche 918 Spyder. There are not many of them around and it means something and is special to own one.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

The Viper would be a more-interesting argument for reasons you cite, alas - if you have to present a case or sell it to me as a supercar - it’s probably not a supercar.... but in the end, IMHO the Viper is a sledgehammer sportscar...

Some probably think of Pam Anderson as a supermodel... she’s not... Viper is to supercars as Pam Anderson is to supermodels

I know this thread is about cars, but dammit, we have rules...

 

[anon_1eeb2b426hv3y]

Really excited about this film from James Mangold (Logan, 3:10 to Yuma) though I have some reservations about Damon as Carroll Shelby (his attempt at what appears to be a Southern accent is cringeworthy) but Bale is rock solid in everything. Add Jon Bernthal as Lee Iacocca and should make for a lot of fun.

Academy Award-winners Matt Damon and Christian Bale star in FORD v FERRARI, based on the remarkable true story of the visionary American car designer Carroll Shelby (Damon) and the fearless British-born driver Ken Miles (Bale), who together battled corporate interference, the laws of physics, and their own personal demons to build a revolutionary race car for Ford Motor Company and take on the dominating race cars of Enzo Ferrari at the 24 Hours of Le Mans in France in 1966. In Theaters November 15

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Looks great. Agree on the cringeworthy accent.

 

[PSU Dave]

Really excited about this film from James Mangold (Logan, 3:10 to Yuma) though I have some reservations about Damon as Carroll Shelby (his attempt at what appears to be a Southern accent is cringeworthy) but Bale is rock solid in everything. Add Jon Bernthal as Lee Iacocca and should make for a lot of fun.

Academy Award-winners Matt Damon and Christian Bale star in FORD v FERRARI, based on the remarkable true story of the visionary American car designer Carroll Shelby (Damon) and the fearless British-born driver Ken Miles (Bale), who together battled corporate interference, the laws of physics, and their own personal demons to build a revolutionary race car for Ford Motor Company and take on the dominating race cars of Enzo Ferrari at the 24 Hours of Le Mans in France in 1966. In Theaters November 15

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[bwifan]

 

[Nitt1300]

Well, if some consider Joan Jett a RnRHoF’r ... then a Z06 can be considered, by some, a supercar ...

If you have to argue that a car should be considered a supercar - then I believe it fails the litmus test

The Z06 is a fantastic sportscar that delivers supercar-like performance for a lot less $$$ ... which IMHO makes it better than a supercar ... one can actually enjoy a Z06...

Great sportscars are 1000% more interesting to me than any stupid supercar

I wasn't asking.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Looks great. Agree on the cringeworthy accent.

Yeah, Matt Damon as Carroll Shelby is a huge stretch. He’s a tofu eater with bigger muscles. Carroll Shelby is out of the Chesty Puller, Chuck Yeager mold