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Owners want protests to stop, and this offer only divided the 'Players Coalition.' I thought the gesture was in the right direction, but the execution was wrong, especially since it turns out they'll simply divert funds from other charitable efforts (tough to sell, 'Hey - we're donating money to social justice efforts, but we're gonna cut back on Breast Cancer Awareness and Salute to Service; thanks and please don't hate us!'). Also find it interesting that the 'social justice' charities are the 'Dream Corps' and 'United Negro College Fund'.

Is this the right solution? Is there a better one?

Anyway, Eric Reid isn't a fan.

Eric Reid confirmed that the NFL’s $89 million commitment to social justice causes isn’t as directly positive a move as it might seem—telling Slate on Thursday that the league presented players with a plan to make the donation by diverting money from other charitable ventures, like breast cancer awareness and the monthlong celebration of the military that is “Salute to Service.”

Reid left the Players Coalition, the group that’s been negotiating with the league in light of the national anthem protests, earlier this week. He wasn’t the only one. Earlier reporting by Slate indicated that Reid was asked if he’d stop protesting during the anthem if the league made a donation. (Just a day after that story ran, one of the Players Coalition’s leaders, Malcolm Jenkins, announced that he’d cease his own protests.) Essentially, there was already plenty to imply that this donation wasn’t the result of the NFL’s earnest desire to help social justice causes. And Reid’s interview makes it that much clearer:

“[NFL Commissioner] Roger Goodell is trying to make this as easy for the owners to agree to as possible so that—again, their goal is to end the protests,” Reid said. “He’s trying to make it as easy possible to do that for the owners. He’s going to present them with a proposal saying, Look you really don’t have to do anything. We’re just going to shift this money from this area and just move it here.”

The 49ers safety told Slate that the idea of moving the money away from other charitable causes was unacceptable to him and the other players who left the Coalition, and the plan contributed in their decision to leave the group and stop negotiating with the league. Reid also confirmed that the person who had directly asked him to stop protesting was Jenkins, whom he described as the only player he knew of who had protested during the anthem and now accepted the NFL’s proposal:

“Based on my understanding, every player who was actually protesting [aside from Jenkins] was not in agreement [with] this proposal,” Reid told Slate. “That leaves a remaining, I guess, nine or so players who don’t protest who were in agreement with the proposal.... I think [it’s] obvious that these [nine non-protesters] are people who have not sacrificed their careers, who Malcolm is using as his backing to say that the coalition is in agreement.”

The $89 million donation is a seven-year commitment and is built to include an annual contribution from both team owners and players. Reid further confirmed the prior reporting that a sizable chunk of the donation would not be earmarked for specific organizations or purposes and rather would be spent at the discretion of a committee that would primarily be made up of those representing league and team office interests, rather than players.

In other words, the NFL asked players to stop protesting racial injustice in exchange for a charitable donation by the league—which is, on its own, at best a gross misunderstanding of the players’ motivation here and at worst a craven move to prioritize public image over all else—only for that charitable donation to be the result of money shuffled over from othercharitable spending, with a strong possibility that half of the money wouldn’t even be going directly to charity.

“It would really be no skin off the owners’ backs,” Reid told Slate.
 
Owners want protests to stop, and this offer only divided the 'Players Coalition.' I thought the gesture was in the right direction, but the execution was wrong, especially since it turns out they'll simply divert funds from other charitable efforts (tough to sell, 'Hey - we're donating money to social justice efforts, but we're gonna cut back on Breast Cancer Awareness and Salute to Service; thanks and please don't hate us!'). Also find it interesting that the 'social justice' charities are the 'Dream Corps' and 'United Negro College Fund'.

Is this the right solution? Is there a better one?

Anyway, Eric Reid isn't a fan.

Eric Reid confirmed that the NFL’s $89 million commitment to social justice causes isn’t as directly positive a move as it might seem—telling Slate on Thursday that the league presented players with a plan to make the donation by diverting money from other charitable ventures, like breast cancer awareness and the monthlong celebration of the military that is “Salute to Service.”

Reid left the Players Coalition, the group that’s been negotiating with the league in light of the national anthem protests, earlier this week. He wasn’t the only one. Earlier reporting by Slate indicated that Reid was asked if he’d stop protesting during the anthem if the league made a donation. (Just a day after that story ran, one of the Players Coalition’s leaders, Malcolm Jenkins, announced that he’d cease his own protests.) Essentially, there was already plenty to imply that this donation wasn’t the result of the NFL’s earnest desire to help social justice causes. And Reid’s interview makes it that much clearer:

“[NFL Commissioner] Roger Goodell is trying to make this as easy for the owners to agree to as possible so that—again, their goal is to end the protests,” Reid said. “He’s trying to make it as easy possible to do that for the owners. He’s going to present them with a proposal saying, Look you really don’t have to do anything. We’re just going to shift this money from this area and just move it here.”

The 49ers safety told Slate that the idea of moving the money away from other charitable causes was unacceptable to him and the other players who left the Coalition, and the plan contributed in their decision to leave the group and stop negotiating with the league. Reid also confirmed that the person who had directly asked him to stop protesting was Jenkins, whom he described as the only player he knew of who had protested during the anthem and now accepted the NFL’s proposal:

“Based on my understanding, every player who was actually protesting [aside from Jenkins] was not in agreement [with] this proposal,” Reid told Slate. “That leaves a remaining, I guess, nine or so players who don’t protest who were in agreement with the proposal.... I think [it’s] obvious that these [nine non-protesters] are people who have not sacrificed their careers, who Malcolm is using as his backing to say that the coalition is in agreement.”

The $89 million donation is a seven-year commitment and is built to include an annual contribution from both team owners and players. Reid further confirmed the prior reporting that a sizable chunk of the donation would not be earmarked for specific organizations or purposes and rather would be spent at the discretion of a committee that would primarily be made up of those representing league and team office interests, rather than players.

In other words, the NFL asked players to stop protesting racial injustice in exchange for a charitable donation by the league—which is, on its own, at best a gross misunderstanding of the players’ motivation here and at worst a craven move to prioritize public image over all else—only for that charitable donation to be the result of money shuffled over from othercharitable spending, with a strong possibility that half of the money wouldn’t even be going directly to charity.

“It would really be no skin off the owners’ backs,” Reid told Slate.

Average NFL pay is $1.9 million. If these guys cared so much about social injustice in troubled neighborhoods they would dedicate 10% of their pay to the effort rather than demand that the owners step up and do it. 10% of player pay would be 30x more than what the owners are doing.
 
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Average NFL pay is $1.9 million. If these guys cared so much about social injustice in troubled neighborhoods they would dedicate 10% of their pay to the effort rather than demand that the owners step up and do it. 10% of player pay would be 30x more than what the owners are doing.

I think it's interesting to see the sort of 'Animal Farm' scenario play out with the Players Coalition.....
 
There's both a political and a business component to this issue, and there is no resolution that is gonna make everyone happy. Also, this thread is likely to end up on the Test Board.
 
There's both a political and a business component to this issue, and there is no resolution that is gonna make everyone happy. Also, this thread is likely to end up on the Test Board.

That's what 'PTB' is for - 'Potential Test Board' (just made it up). So far, not much interest here thanks to Tennessee.
 
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Are the poor going to stop destroying their own schools and neighborhoods with crime?


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Well, I predicted this.

NFL is hemorrhaging revenues. This issue isn't their only problem but its a big problem.

The NFL could have easily said they support the issue, but the playing field is no place to exercise their free speech rights. That they would work with the players to give them a platform.

But its too late for that now.

Now they are screwed. There is never going to be a settlement that makes everyone happy. So sooner or later, they are going to have to "fire" somebody. The players association will have to get on board at some dollar amount. This is going to be a huge problem for the players association as well. When player's incomes start getting hurt, the crap is really going to hit the fan.

This mess was started with no "end in mind." It is too abstract.

I think the best the NFL can do is to add revenue to the cause. At what point the players association signs on is anyone's guess. Then, they will have to reign in the more invested players in some way.

With all of the problems the NFL has today, this is the last thing they need. I noticed that the NBA players haven't signed on. Many are wearing t-shirts in warmups, but nobody is sitting or kneeling during the national anthem. (they have a rule against it, but the commish came out in favor of protesters).
 
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What prevents the players from extorting money for another cause in the future? Precedent might be a future cost that they aren't considering in trying to buy their way out of this dilemma.
 
Well, I predicted this.

NFL is hemorrhaging revenues. This issue isn't their only problem but its a big problem.

The NFL could have easily said they support the issue, but the playing field is no place to exercise their free speech rights. That they would work with the players to give them a platform.

But its too late for that now.

Now they are screwed. There is never going to be a settlement that makes everyone happy. So sooner or later, they are going to have to "fire" somebody. The players association will have to get on board at some dollar amount. This is going to be a huge problem for the players association as well. When player's incomes start getting hurt, the crap is really going to hit the fan.

This mess was started with no "end in mind." It is too abstract.

I think the best the NFL can do is to add revenue to the cause. At what point the players association signs on is anyone's guess. Then, they will have to reign in the more invested players in some way.

With all of the problems the NFL has today, this is the last thing they need. I noticed that the NBA players haven't signed on. Many are wearing t-shirts in warmups, but nobody is sitting or kneeling during the national anthem. (they have a rule against it, but the commish came out in favor of protesters).

Do you think if the NFL went with the NBA model - essentially, 'you must stand for the National Anthem,' - but were fine with t-shirts or other forms of protests, that fans would be okay with that? If a player chose to stay in the locker room during, would that be okay? I agree - there isn't a clean solution here, and I think there's some opportunism on behalf of some of the Players Coalition (which is causing the split).
 
Do you think if the NFL went with the NBA model - essentially, 'you must stand for the National Anthem,' - but were fine with t-shirts or other forms of protests, that fans would be okay with that? If a player chose to stay in the locker room during, would that be okay? I agree - there isn't a clean solution here, and I think there's some opportunism on behalf of some of the Players Coalition (which is causing the split).

Well, there isn't going to be a perfect solution. And the NBA solution has to be put into the CBA with the union.

The next issue is what is ok and what is not OK. My guess is "cops as pigs" socks isn't going to fly. But a BLM t-shirt is OK. Again, there are fringe groups on both sides that won't be happy with that compromise.
 
This whole situation is a complete mess. The owners are just trying to do whatever can to make this go away. The players haven't put any kind measurable demand out there to stop the protests. I don't see how this ends without the NFL taking a much bigger hit.
 
Just stand for the national anthem. They know most of America takes their kneeling, sitting... ect, as a slap in the face to the flag, military, ect... if players want to protest have at it. At any given moment there are like 200 protests going on in any town America...pick whichever one they like and fight the fight.
 
Do you think if the NFL went with the NBA model - essentially, 'you must stand for the National Anthem,' - but were fine with t-shirts or other forms of protests, that fans would be okay with that? If a player chose to stay in the locker room during, would that be okay? I agree - there isn't a clean solution here, and I think there's some opportunism on behalf of some of the Players Coalition (which is causing the split).
None of this would be okay with me.
 
Here is paragraph 2 of every NFL contract. If you look at the second sentence (bolded) you may agree that every protesting player could be fired immediately.


2. EMPLOYMENT AND SERVICES. Club employs Player as a skilled football player. Player accepts such employment. He agrees to give his best efforts and loyalty to the Club, and to conduct himself on and off the field with appropriate recognition of the fact that the success of professional football depends largely on public respect for and approval of those associated with the game. Player will report promptly for and participate fully in Club’s official mandatory minicamp(s), official preseason training camp, all Club meetings and practice sessions, and all preseason, regular season and postseason football games scheduled for or by Club. If invited, Player will practice for and play in any all-star football game sponsored by the League. Player will not participate in any football game not sponsored by the League unless the game is first approved by the League.


http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/744265/APPENDIX_A__player_contract_.pdf
 
None of this would be okay with me.

Ok - so, if the NFL had a rule that said all players must be present for and stand during the National Anthem, you wouldn't support that?
 
Owners want protests to stop, and this offer only divided the 'Players Coalition.' I thought the gesture was in the right direction, but the execution was wrong, especially since it turns out they'll simply divert funds from other charitable efforts (tough to sell, 'Hey - we're donating money to social justice efforts, but we're gonna cut back on Breast Cancer Awareness and Salute to Service; thanks and please don't hate us!'). Also find it interesting that the 'social justice' charities are the 'Dream Corps' and 'United Negro College Fund'.

Is this the right solution? Is there a better one?

Anyway, Eric Reid isn't a fan.

Eric Reid confirmed that the NFL’s $89 million commitment to social justice causes isn’t as directly positive a move as it might seem—telling Slate on Thursday that the league presented players with a plan to make the donation by diverting money from other charitable ventures, like breast cancer awareness and the monthlong celebration of the military that is “Salute to Service.”

Reid left the Players Coalition, the group that’s been negotiating with the league in light of the national anthem protests, earlier this week. He wasn’t the only one. Earlier reporting by Slate indicated that Reid was asked if he’d stop protesting during the anthem if the league made a donation. (Just a day after that story ran, one of the Players Coalition’s leaders, Malcolm Jenkins, announced that he’d cease his own protests.) Essentially, there was already plenty to imply that this donation wasn’t the result of the NFL’s earnest desire to help social justice causes. And Reid’s interview makes it that much clearer:

“[NFL Commissioner] Roger Goodell is trying to make this as easy for the owners to agree to as possible so that—again, their goal is to end the protests,” Reid said. “He’s trying to make it as easy possible to do that for the owners. He’s going to present them with a proposal saying, Look you really don’t have to do anything. We’re just going to shift this money from this area and just move it here.”

The 49ers safety told Slate that the idea of moving the money away from other charitable causes was unacceptable to him and the other players who left the Coalition, and the plan contributed in their decision to leave the group and stop negotiating with the league. Reid also confirmed that the person who had directly asked him to stop protesting was Jenkins, whom he described as the only player he knew of who had protested during the anthem and now accepted the NFL’s proposal:

“Based on my understanding, every player who was actually protesting [aside from Jenkins] was not in agreement [with] this proposal,” Reid told Slate. “That leaves a remaining, I guess, nine or so players who don’t protest who were in agreement with the proposal.... I think [it’s] obvious that these [nine non-protesters] are people who have not sacrificed their careers, who Malcolm is using as his backing to say that the coalition is in agreement.”

The $89 million donation is a seven-year commitment and is built to include an annual contribution from both team owners and players. Reid further confirmed the prior reporting that a sizable chunk of the donation would not be earmarked for specific organizations or purposes and rather would be spent at the discretion of a committee that would primarily be made up of those representing league and team office interests, rather than players.

In other words, the NFL asked players to stop protesting racial injustice in exchange for a charitable donation by the league—which is, on its own, at best a gross misunderstanding of the players’ motivation here and at worst a craven move to prioritize public image over all else—only for that charitable donation to be the result of money shuffled over from othercharitable spending, with a strong possibility that half of the money wouldn’t even be going directly to charity.

“It would really be no skin off the owners’ backs,” Reid told Slate.
 
Ok - so, if the NFL had a rule that said all players must be present for and stand during the National Anthem, you wouldn't support that?
No. The players' First Amendment rights do not cease when they step on the playing field. In fact, that is when they are most significant, because that is when they are most visible. I stand for the flag/anthem, but I don't wanna watch forced displays of patriotism by others; it's a mockery.

Having said that, the fans have their own First Amendment rights as well, which includes speaking out against the players and/or the owners, not attending the games, etc. I am fine with that as well.
 
Aren't you being selective. :rolleyes:

Wasn’t trying to be - just trying to find out if there’s something that would make fans offended by kneeling better if enacted by the league.
 
Wasn’t trying to be - just trying to find out if there’s something that would make fans offended by kneeling better if enacted by the league.
How about NO protesting of any form (unrelated to the game of course) because the public doesn't respect nor approve of protesting during entertainment hours.


Oh, and your question had nothing to do with standing during the anthem...you put that as fact and then followed with a question of whether or not all of these other forms of protest would be ok...yet you then pulled a dick move by asking me why I would be against standing.
 
Owners want protests to stop, and this offer only divided the 'Players Coalition.' I thought the gesture was in the right direction, but the execution was wrong, especially since it turns out they'll simply divert funds from other charitable efforts (tough to sell, 'Hey - we're donating money to social justice efforts, but we're gonna cut back on Breast Cancer Awareness and Salute to Service; thanks and please don't hate us!'). Also find it interesting that the 'social justice' charities are the 'Dream Corps' and 'United Negro College Fund'.

Is this the right solution? Is there a better one?

Anyway, Eric Reid isn't a fan.

Eric Reid confirmed that the NFL’s $89 million commitment to social justice causes isn’t as directly positive a move as it might seem—telling Slate on Thursday that the league presented players with a plan to make the donation by diverting money from other charitable ventures, like breast cancer awareness and the monthlong celebration of the military that is “Salute to Service.”

Reid left the Players Coalition, the group that’s been negotiating with the league in light of the national anthem protests, earlier this week. He wasn’t the only one. Earlier reporting by Slate indicated that Reid was asked if he’d stop protesting during the anthem if the league made a donation. (Just a day after that story ran, one of the Players Coalition’s leaders, Malcolm Jenkins, announced that he’d cease his own protests.) Essentially, there was already plenty to imply that this donation wasn’t the result of the NFL’s earnest desire to help social justice causes. And Reid’s interview makes it that much clearer:

“[NFL Commissioner] Roger Goodell is trying to make this as easy for the owners to agree to as possible so that—again, their goal is to end the protests,” Reid said. “He’s trying to make it as easy possible to do that for the owners. He’s going to present them with a proposal saying, Look you really don’t have to do anything. We’re just going to shift this money from this area and just move it here.”

The 49ers safety told Slate that the idea of moving the money away from other charitable causes was unacceptable to him and the other players who left the Coalition, and the plan contributed in their decision to leave the group and stop negotiating with the league. Reid also confirmed that the person who had directly asked him to stop protesting was Jenkins, whom he described as the only player he knew of who had protested during the anthem and now accepted the NFL’s proposal:

“Based on my understanding, every player who was actually protesting [aside from Jenkins] was not in agreement [with] this proposal,” Reid told Slate. “That leaves a remaining, I guess, nine or so players who don’t protest who were in agreement with the proposal.... I think [it’s] obvious that these [nine non-protesters] are people who have not sacrificed their careers, who Malcolm is using as his backing to say that the coalition is in agreement.”

The $89 million donation is a seven-year commitment and is built to include an annual contribution from both team owners and players. Reid further confirmed the prior reporting that a sizable chunk of the donation would not be earmarked for specific organizations or purposes and rather would be spent at the discretion of a committee that would primarily be made up of those representing league and team office interests, rather than players.

In other words, the NFL asked players to stop protesting racial injustice in exchange for a charitable donation by the league—which is, on its own, at best a gross misunderstanding of the players’ motivation here and at worst a craven move to prioritize public image over all else—only for that charitable donation to be the result of money shuffled over from othercharitable spending, with a strong possibility that half of the money wouldn’t even be going directly to charity.

“It would really be no skin off the owners’ backs,” Reid told Slate.

The NFL isn't going to be able to stuff the sh1t back in the cow. Too late. Token half gestures won't appease the players protesting or the fans that walked away. They want to offend no one and managed to p1ss off everyone. Take their tax breaks away too.
 
Average NFL pay is $1.9 million. If these guys cared so much about social injustice in troubled neighborhoods they would dedicate 10% of their pay to the effort rather than demand that the owners step up and do it. 10% of player pay would be 30x more than what the owners are doing.

But the players are oppressed.
 
Waste of money. The poor's main disadvantage is bad parenting.

Are the poor going to stop destroying their own schools and neighborhoods with crime?


THE dream was not to collect welfare or work at Mcdonalds.

This is correct. It is in the individual to want to improve a situation, not perpetuate it. For those that have, I think it is important to listen to the plights of those that want to help themselves and provide an avenue.

I would like to know how donating money handles the original cause of the kneel. - police brutality towards blacks. That was the original issue correct? I think it has morphed into helping out minorities. Which is still a valid cause, but what about the original issue?

I don’t pretend to have the answers, and as long as there are differences in people, there will always be perceived slights. Black/white. Rich/poor. Fat/thin. Pretty/ugly. Everyone can place them self in a victim role. It is comfortable there, there are no expectations on you and the rest of the world must help.

When I read the number, I was impressed. I was disheartened to see someone have an issue with it. $89M is not chump change. If It was diverted from other sources, that is disappointing. They have enough money to make differences in a lot of places.

I also agree with another poster. More of the players need to put up their own money . The platform is convenient to raise their hand on TV. But the platform also affords them the ability to make a tangible difference. Instead of ESPIN posting the list of players who protested, they could provide a list of players causes and what they have donated.
 
How about NO protesting of any form (unrelated to the game of course) because the public doesn't respect nor approve of protesting during entertainment hours.


Oh, and your question had nothing to do with standing during the anthem...you put that as fact and then followed with a question of whether or not all of these other forms of protest would be ok...yet you then pulled a dick move by asking me why I would be against standing.

Wrong. I asked if you would be okay with a rule that mandated players attending and standing for the anthem and whether you would support that. Not that you would be against standing.
 
The NFL's real problem is that they have long pretended to be more than they are, when all they really are is a for profit business.

What other business starts the work day with a big phony display of "patriotism"? Want to show what a patriot you are? Do something for the country that actually puts you at risk.
 
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I heard that this money for these Marxist Justice programs is not new money. It will be money taken away from what they donate for breast cancer and for veteran appreciation.
 
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