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fc OT Willie Nelson cancels rest of the tour, sites breathing problems..

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and here I had tickets for Saturday night!! Mostly to see Alison Krauss!
https://www.herald-dispatch.com/ap/...cle_88dfd628-be32-59b6-8ef3-dd8de02d88e4.html

NEW YORK (AP) — Willie Nelson has canceled his tour because of a "breathing problem."

The 86-year-old singer apologized on Twitter late Wednesday, writing "I need to have my doctor check out." Nelson had just finished performing with Alison Krauss in Toledo, Ohio, and he was next scheduled to appear Friday in Grand Rapids, Michigan.


He wrote "I'll be back."

Nelson was due to perform at the Farm Aid concert with John Mellencamp, Dave Matthews, Neil Young and Bonnie Raitt on Sept. 21. His tour was scheduled to end on Nov. 29 in Thackerville, Oklahoma.


Nelson canceled his appearance at the Outlaw Music Festival due to illness last summer. He also was forced to cancel several dates in 2018.

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SUPERTODD said:
Come on man. Marijuana is completely harmless.
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Does it seem like the same group of people that were so critical of Big Tobacco (and I'm among them) and pushed all the state litigation against Big Tobacco are now pushing to legalize marijuana everywhere (I'm not among them)? Maybe the grand scheme is to sue Big Weed in about a decade and bring home a lot more $ for the states.
 
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Elwood Blues said:
Does it seem like the same group of people that were so critical of Big Tobacco (and I'm among them) and pushed all the state litigation against Big Tobacco are now pushing to legalize marijuana everywhere (I'm not among them)? Maybe the grand scheme is to sue Big Weed in about a decade and bring home a lot more $ for the states.
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Nope. It's edibles. Smoking is old school.
 
Elwood Blues said:
Does it seem like the same group of people that were so critical of Big Tobacco (and I'm among them) and pushed all the state litigation against Big Tobacco are now pushing to legalize marijuana everywhere (I'm not among them)? Maybe the grand scheme is to sue Big Weed in about a decade and bring home a lot more $ for the states.
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No comparison.
 
Everything in moderation.

When I retire and under no threat of drug tests, I’m definitely partaking, but it doesn’t need to be the old school smoking way.

Funny to see some of the Reefer Madness hysteria still survives on this board. Yeah, it’s not harmless - in fact, what is, but it’s societal effects are more acceptable than alcohol abuse.
 
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KnightSlayer said:
No comparison.
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Study showed hundreds of carcinogens in weed smoke. There are plenty of tobacco smokers who made it past 80, in fact some have lived to 100. There are many more who do not. Genes have a lot to do with it.
 
Chickenman Testa said:
Everything in moderation.

When I retire and under no threat of drug tests, I’m definitely partaking, but it doesn’t need to be the old school smoking way.

Funny to see some of the Reefer Madness hysteria still survives on this board. Yeah, it’s not harmless - in fact, what is, but it’s societal effects are more acceptable than alcohol abuse.
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I love this comparison.

Casual MJ vs. Alcohol abuse.

There are billions of humans on this planet that manage to use alcohol without abusing it. Yes, billions... and over the past 3000 or so years.

Once MJ use gets sizeable we will discover how safe it is. Until then lets not compare it to a time tested drug of choice.

Speaking of alcohol ans history... i just finished @DavidM Viking Warkord A Saga of Thorkell the Great. Loved it

LdN
 
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Study showed hundreds of carcinogens in weed smoke. There are plenty of tobacco smokers who made it past 80, in fact some have lived to 100. There are many more who do not. Genes have a lot to do with it.
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While that may be true, unlike tobacco, there are no studies that show smoking cannabis causes cancer. It is believed that nicotine amplifies the effects of the carcinogens while THC inhibits the effects of the carcinogens. Regardless, that really wasn't my point. I was responding to a post that suggests people are planning to sue cannabis companies after it is legal. Tobacco companies weren't sued for selling a legal product. They were sued for knowingly concealing the dangers of smoking while using all kinds of techniques to convince people it was actually safe, including having doctors recommend certain brands of cigarettes. They also purposely marketed a physically addictive substance to children.
 
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LionDeNittany said:
I love this comparison.

Casual MJ vs. Alcohol abuse.

There are billions of humans on this planet that manage to use alcohol without abusing it. Yes, billions... and over the past 3000 or so years.

Once MJ use gets sizeable we will discover how safe it is. Until then lets not compare it to a time tested drug of choice.

Speaking of alcohol ans history... i just finished @DavidM Viking Warkord A Saga of Thorkell the Great. Loved it

LdN
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That's a pretty dumb post, even by this boards standards.
 
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KnightSlayer said:
While that may be true, unlike tobacco, there are no studies that show smoking cannabis causes cancer. It is believed that nicotine amplifies the effects of the carcinogens while THC inhibits the effects of the carcinogens. Regardless, that really wasn't my point. I was responding to a post that suggests people are planning to sue cannabis companies after it is legal. Tobacco companies weren't sued for selling a legal product. They were sued for knowingly concealing the dangers of smoking while using all kinds of techniques to convince people it was actually safe, including having doctors recommend certain brands of cigarettes. They also purposely marketed a physically addictive substance to children.
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Fair enough. THC may inhibit the effect of the carcinogens, but the user is exposed to these over and over again. People that expect their not to be negative effects from long term use are being foolish.
 
LionDeNittany said:
I love this comparison.

Casual MJ vs. Alcohol abuse.

There are billions of humans on this planet that manage to use alcohol without abusing it. Yes, billions... and over the past 3000 or so years.

Once MJ use gets sizeable we will discover how safe it is. Until then lets not compare it to a time tested drug of choice.

Speaking of alcohol ans history... i just finished @DavidM Viking Warkord A Saga of Thorkell the Great. Loved it

LdN
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MJ use has been going on for a very long time in many countries. I’d take dealing with a stoner at 3 am over a drunk any time. At the very least, the stoner won’t want to kick your ass for no reason like many drunks - there’s no “pot muscles”
 
Tour resumes 9/6.

When that ev'nin' sun goes down
Yeah, you'll find me hangin' around
Because the night life
It ain't no good life but it's my life

Yeah, yeah, yeah listen to the blues
Listen to what they're sayin'
Oh, please listen to the blues
Listen to the blues they're playin'

Ah, ah, all of the people just like you and me
They're all dreamin' about their old used to be
Because the night life
It ain't no good life but it's my life

They tell me life's an empty scene
An avenue of broken dreams
Because the night life
It ain't no good life but it's my life

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/W...our-Announcing-Billy-Bobs-Stop-537707541.html
 
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Chickenman Testa said:
MJ use has been going on for a very long time in many countries. I’d take dealing with a stoner at 3 am over a drunk any time. At the very least, the stoner won’t want to kick your ass for no reason like many drunks - there’s no “pot muscles”
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There are pot muscles if they are on the road. It's not like people aren't killed by drivers who are high.

From the CDC:
  • Marijuana is the most commonly used federally illegal drug in the United States; 48.2 million people, or about 18% of Americans, used it at least once in 2019.
  • Recent research estimated that approximately 3 in 10 people who use marijuana have marijuana use disorder. For people who begin using marijuana before age 18, the risk of developing marijuana use disorder is even greater.
  • Marijuana use directly affects the brain, specifically the parts of the brain responsible for memory, learning, attention, decision-making, coordination, emotion, and reaction time. Infants, children, and teens (who still have developing brains) are especially susceptible to the adverse effects of marijuana.
  • Long-term or frequent marijuana use has been linked to increased risk of psychosis or schizophrenia in some users.
  • Using marijuana during pregnancy may increase the person’s risk for pregnancy complications. Pregnant and breastfeeding persons should avoid marijuana.
  • During 2018, approximately 12 million (4.7%) U.S. residents aged ≥16 years reported driving under the influence of marijuana.
  • After marijuana legalization, the rate of car crashes with injuries increased by nearly 6%, while fatal crashes rose by 4%. No increase in these crashes was seen in states that hadn't legalized marijuana, the researchers noted.
Keep in mind that the last bullet is due to 3 in 10 out of the 18% who have used marijuana in the past year. So .33*.18 = 5.9% of drivers are responsible for increasing car crashes with injury or fatalities for the 94.1% of drivers who do not. Considering this 5.9% who have used marijuana and have driven yields a 6% increase in car crashes with injuries and 4% increase in fatalities, it seems that most who drive with marijuana in their system are causing serious injuries or deaths at some point.

Sadly, marijuana use risks are not only affecting those who use it. It also takes or damages the lives of those who don't.
 
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Keep in mind that the last bullet is due to 3 in 10 out of the 18% who have used marijuana in the past year. So .33*.18 = 5.9% of drivers are responsible for increasing car crashes with injury or fatalities for the 94.1% of drivers who do not. Considering this 5.9% who have used marijuana and have driven yields a 6% increase in car crashes with injuries and 4% increase in fatalities, it seems that most who drive with marijuana in their system are causing serious injuries or deaths at some point.
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First off, those numbers that you made up here don't even all flow in the manner in which you're trying to make them flow...and secondly, you credit the CDC for some of your bullets, when I highly doubt it actually came from the CDC...for every study that has an increase in accidents, there is usually another that conflicts with the results, or that original study wasn't looking at the full picture.
 
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First off, those numbers that you made up here don't even all flow in the manner in which you're trying to make them flow...and secondly, you credit the CDC for some of your bullets, when I highly doubt it actually came from the CDC...for every study that has an increase in accidents, there is usually another that conflicts with the results, or that original study wasn't looking at the full picture.
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I credited the CDC as the bullets came directly from the CDC website and the last 2 bullets are from a study referenced.

What do you suggest the data means if you don't think that my post is correct? You are welcome to link any study you want that counters the CDC and refenced study data I had posted.
 
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I credited the CDC as the bullets came directly from the CDC website and the last 2 bullets are from a study referenced.

What do you suggest the data means if you don't think that my post is correct? You are welcome to link any study you want that counters the CDC and refenced study data I had posted.
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I was surprised at the numbers in the last few bullets, so I checked the CDC site which specifically said that "Some studies have shown an association between marijuana use and car crashes; however, more research is needed.".

Then, when I dug more looking at the study that was cited in your last bullet, it caveated it by saying that this is still an early study, and further data should be evaluated...And even further, the place that did the study also stated "However, the preliminary results of a separate IIHS study of injured drivers who visited emergency rooms in California, Colorado and Oregon showed that drivers who used marijuana alone were no more likely to be involved in crashes than drivers who hadn’t used the drug. That is consistent with a 2015 study by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration that found that a positive test for marijuana was not associated with increased risk of being involved in a police-reported crash."

As far as the use of the data, you stated that "it seems that most who drive with marijuana in their system are causing serious injuries or deaths at some point", when there is nothing at all to support that statement.
 
Erial_Lion said:
I was surprised at the numbers in the last few bullets, so I checked the CDC site which specifically said that "Some studies have shown an association between marijuana use and car crashes; however, more research is needed.".

Then, when I dug more looking at the study that was cited in your last bullet, it caveated it by saying that this is still an early study, and further data should be evaluated...And even further, the place that did the study also stated "However, the preliminary results of a separate IIHS study of injured drivers who visited emergency rooms in California, Colorado and Oregon showed that drivers who used marijuana alone were no more likely to be involved in crashes than drivers who hadn’t used the drug. That is consistent with a 2015 study by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration that found that a positive test for marijuana was not associated with increased risk of being involved in a police-reported crash."

As far as the use of the data, you stated that "it seems that most who drive with marijuana in their system are causing serious injuries or deaths at some point", when there is nothing at all to support that statement.
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The study that I referenced stated clearly that states where marijuana was legalized had an increase in accidents with injuries by 6% and fatalities by 4%. It also specifically stated that no such increase was observed in states that did not legalize.

Only 1 variable changed between states that legalized and did not. A 6% increase in total accidents with injury IN ONLY STATES THAT LEGALIZED amongst a population in which 5.7% drove with marijuana in their system is likely highly correlated. The sample size is large enough that this is a statistically significant increase.

Again, the worst part is that those that do this are not just putting their own lives at risk. They are putting the lives of the other 94.1% that do not, including innocent children, at risk.
 
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